I think we should all do our homework on this ppl…touchy subject.

Another concern is the $35 jump on my power bill.

Ours was installed almost 3 months ago and ever since then I have had headaches almost daily. Sure the radiation from one meter may be small , but there are 15 to 20 on my street and the street behind me. All of these running continuosly I am sure adds up to far more than a cell phone. most people I know who do not have the cell phone to their head 24/7 either . When we asked hydro to remove the meter (which as I understand they are supposed to do ) or friends who have refused the meter , Hydro gets almost abusive and threatening with them telling us we have no choice, and it is coming whether we like it or not.

So ignore the privacy commissioners report?

The radiation issue is so blown out of proportion it’s hilarious. We have no choice of being radiated from our neighbours WIFI is that the next agenda? Ban all WIFI networks? Wow will those smart phone bills ever go up.

All those communication satellites are bombarding us with microwave radiation what about that?
You better stop that sun from coming up and turn off those lights because Light is Electromagnetic radiation. Now what are we going to do?

“The meters will stop hydro theft… I don’t think so… the power thief taps into the system BEFORE the meter.”

This isn’t rocket science BCRacer. What goes in must come out. Main meter “A” says it put out 30MW/hr. All the smart meters being served from the main meter only total up to 25MW/hr. Hey everyone we have a 5MW/hr leak. They will know that in real time and where to go looking.

“and of course once they have all these meters installed they can have free will with us?”

They have free will with us now. You will get your bill every 2 month like before. Will it go up? Maybe. Will they start charging us for Peak time usage one day? Absolutely.

Take two magnets and put them beside the meter facing each other through the meter. Put the north pole facing the meter on one side and the south pole facing the meter on the other side. The 2 magnets will repel each other throgh the glass meter. This will totally unterfere with the goings on inside the meter. Also if you don’t like that idea just wrap it in tin foil. What happens when you drive a car under a bridge? You loose the signal because of the steel structure. The signal can not get through. Put 2 magnets beside an operating cell phone and see what happens. Just hang the magnets beside the meter because if you do not physically touch the meter they can not come on your propety and do anything about it. If they did come on your propetry and remove that you could then sue them and win. Only if you touch the meter then they have you. You can get 2 magnets for under 20 dollars and this will certainly interfere with their signals system. Have a good xmas everyone. Soon the NDP will be back and the HST will be EXTINGQUISHED.

Opion 250 plz post post where to sign this
petion.

The ONLY real concern we should have about Smart Meters is their ability to enable “variable rate billing” throughout the day.

We did NOT build those dams and flood those valleys to enable BC Hydro to force us to pay “world price” for our own electric power, or have them “export” it instead.

Nor should we have to pay ‘more’ for our use of electricity if we need to use it at certain times of the day.

The kind of thinking behind Smart Meters is the same kind of mentality that would have Californians, say, pay way more for fruits and vegetables grown in California to penalise them for having a climate that can produce more than one crop a year.

Our ability to generate hydro electric power is a ‘natural advantage’ of BC, just the same as abundant sunshine and good crop growing weather is to California.

Yet we have a government that seems to think this blessing is some kind of a sin that we must be financially punished for? Time to get rid of that government, but also make sure that any replacement for it doesn’t harbour the same kind of perverted ideas. Merry Christmas to all.

LOL mattyc go back to magnetism school.

Hydro owns everything up to and including the meter so go ahead mess with it and see what happens.

“Soon the NDP will be back and the HST will be EXTINGQUISHED.”

Surely you jest mattyc. The NDP did the Liberals a favour when electing Dix as a leader.

http://cantafforddix.ca/

And when they cannot read your meter from the street because you haved jammed its signal and then you threaten to sue them if they come onto your property because you feel that you will win, they will leave you alone to recieve free electricity forever. LOL They’ll simply do a disconnect at the power pole. I wonder who will pay for that and then for the reconnect. Not me. LOL

Why are people concerned about smart meters with cell phones strapped to their heads for large parts of the day. It makes no sense.

Just another vocal minority being vocal.

Actually, people do have a choice with smart meters. They can call BC Hydro and tell them they don’t want their power anymore.

Interfering with the meters or blocking them is a sure way to get your power cut off.

As for the comment that the NDP was against the HST, that is laughable.

“…but critics counter that they have a choice on whether or not to use a cell phone, and there is no choice in the use of the meters.”

One can choose whether to have a cellphone or not, but the water that comes out of every kitchen and bathroom faucet in P.G. has been medicated for the masses with an infusion of hexafluorosilicic acid, other wise known as fluoride.

NO choice. Go figure.

The thing that worries me about these meters is a privacy issue.
Each home will be monitored at when you use any appliance during the day and bill accordingly. I don’t want to have to do laundry at 2am to save on my hydro bill. I feel for those that run a large house hold.

One meter not an issue but what if a person in an apartment complex has a group of them nearby? Concentrated output, I have not seen Hydro address that issue.

Interesting read here about the Ontario smart meters-http://dailybayonet.com/2011/12/not-so-smart-power/

As for our rates going up, that is to pay for the muti billion contracts made out to Independent Power Producers. You know those big contracts paid out to Friends of Fiberals. Oh by the way Site C has to be built to back up the power from these IPP’s for when the water don’t flow and the wind don’t blow. So we take a double hit from the fiberals, IPP’s and site C.

Posted by: NoSeverance on December 24 2011 8:14 AM
LOL mattyc go back to magnetism school.

They taught that in grade four back in the days when I attended school. I learned that in 1962 LOL. Probably don’t teach that any more so Matty has to say it now. Try the experiment I described. It is really really basic electricity. It will stop a cell phone from functioning properly and a meter is exactly the same technology. You better enroll in some school course in new year. Make sure they offer >THE BASICS

“The thing that worries me about these meters is a privacy issue.”

You have a computer on the internet hammy why aren’t you worried about that? Have you never heard of hackers hacking into your webcam to get credit card and other information? Do you have a cordless phone? Do you shred documents with your name on them? The only secure computer out there is one that is off.

Hydro knowing when you cook toast is the least of your worries!

“Put the north pole facing the meter on one side and the south pole facing the meter on the other side. The 2 magnets will repel each other throgh the glass meter.”

Really? What they taught you was wrong mattyc.

Unlike poles attract, like poles repel. Sorry.

The ONLY real concern we should have about Smart Meters is their ability to enable “variable rate billing” throughout the day.
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The BC Utilities Commission tells me that they havent applied “YET”

The only way to get rid of smart meters is to get rid of the government that has started all this crap about smart meters being ecologicly freindly.

And wil the next government remove the meters. Like the guy says “time will tell”‘
cheers

We have a great surplus of Hydro Power in this Province, so lets use it to Heat our Homes, it’s cleaner than NG and for the once who want to save the Planets, stop having so many Kits and stop flying all over the World
like Mr.Suzuki, drive smaller Cars or drive less. Smart Meters where not needed , if Hydro wants to save Money, ask the Costumer to reed the Meter, it’s done in Rural Manitoba and preventing Power theft is a red Herring it will never stop anyone.
Time of the Day Billing is the real Agenda.

DANCE PUPPETS!!! You’re all victims of your own dependance on electricity. Its just like whining about gas prices – pointless. Go off-grid. You could get started for about $4k and say goodbye to blackouts and smart meters. Its all about taking responsibility for yourself.

BC Hydro has been selling power below the cost of generation for decades now. It is called a “subsidy”. Like Brazillian sugar or US corn or Saskatchewan canola. But those days are gone. Get ready.

Off grid you don’t know much about that, and if you want the same conveniences it will cost a hell of a lot more than 4 grand. Plus all the maintenance that goes along with it.

Hydro power is cheap compared to thermal. BC Hydro has not been selling below cost, why would they do that? So with your reasoning Manitoba and Quebec which are also mainly hydro generation, their rates are also below cost I suppose.

Rates are going up because of the obscene contracts to IPP’s and governments not planning for obsolescence of the electrical infrastructure.

LOL, I imagine this is the kind of conversation that goes on in the deep south. Or anywhere else education is at a minimum. Anyone worried about a “smart meter” better shut off their power and go live in a cabin in the woods. Or join a hutterite colony, I hear they don’t allow technology either.

Hey RUEZ if you ever get cancer latter in life or someone close to you does, you will think back to this moment. But the narrow-minded person you seem to be will dismiss it.

I have been against the installation for a number of reasons but have been doing research on them for about two months now, real or imagined there are people who are sensitive to EM radiation, The is no definitive proof one way or the other of health risks.The research into the health aspect is ongoing. As for tiered billing I will share what Rich Coleman sent me

There have been problems with the introduction of smart meters in other jurisdictions. For example, utilities in California and Ontario combined the introduction of digital meters with new rate systems. The British Columbia government has directed BC Hydro not to introduce mandatory time of use rates. The smart meter program will pay for itself without the need for time of use rates.

I have also found out that these meters may have to be replaced as early as five years and as late as twenty. As for the comments about they are good for consumers and there will be no rate scaling you will have to judge that for yourself. I am still sitting on the fence

This is for doneright

http://citizensforsafetechnology.org

you will find the link you are looking for down the right side of the page(Sign petition)

One last comment
We have been exposed to RF for many years now radios,cb’s walkie talkie’s etc It is not a matter if we WILL expose ourselves to more, but if we SHOULD

These concerned Citizens live in and tolerate a city ranked 2 years in a row as the #1 most dangerous city in Canada. They tolerate hundreds and hundreds of gangsters, drug users, and criminals, unsafe winter driving conditions, radical teachers, reckless politicians, out of touch judges, a failing health care system…..and they worry about their Hydro meters.

Apparently Minitrue didn’t do a very good job on you ruez. I believe you have the Amish confused with the Hutterites. Even though the Amish eschew technology one must remember that at one time the wheel was high tech. Perhaps they should forget about using buggies and wagons and just walk. LMAO. By the way I am neither Amish nor Hutterite.

Well, these meters may indeed be yet another thing to be concerned about. If they were installed without due caution and diligence why should they stay? Why install even more? If only a small number of people speak up it does not mean that the rest tolerate them. Perhaps these people don’t know much about them and are too busy to get involved. They probably do what most people do and trust the ones who make the big bucks and the big decisions that they are safe.

Lead used to be safe in gasoline and paint, smoking was the sporty and harmless thing to do, asbestos was completely alright in brake linings, etc. The public was told that they were all safe and there was nothing to worry about.

Of course, now we know it was baloney.

Amish use cell phones.

Amazing how we as Canadian always have to pay the price. The US gets our hydro cheaper than us. Why the dickens can’t this government go after the arrears from California, Washington and Oregon to name a few. They owe us millions if not close to a billion dollars by now, because “they” can’t afford to pay their bills………We get hozed!

Where do I send my cheque to help with the legal battle?

Don’t sit too close to that colour TV little Johnny the radiation will ruin your eyes.

Don’t stand in front of that Microwave while your food is cooking as the microwaves will cook you will you watch.

WHO has classed cooking food on your BBQ will create cancer causing carcinogens but no known link to the RF signals doing the same.
They might though so we are going to class them just in case.

Sine Nomine the fact that you are using a computer makes you a huge hypocrite with your fight against the smart meter. You will say I choose to use a computer but are being forced to use a smart meter.
Do you switch your WIFI off when you’re done with your PC? Shame on you as your RF signal is irradiating your neighbour without their consent. If you are bravo! But you’re neighbour isn’t doing the same for you, so I guess you better go knock on their doors and ask them nicely to turn theirs off.
Good luck with that.

“The British Columbia government has directed BC Hydro not to introduce mandatory time of use rates. The smart meter program will pay for itself without the need for time of use rates.”
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Just watch that directive be reversed after the next election. No matter whether it’s the BC Liberals or the NDP that form the next government.

If they don’t immediately hit homeowners with time of use rates, they’ll hit businesses. Some will only be able to afford to operate at non-peak periods ~ just like that foundry in Lethbridge that was profiled on the TV news a few years ago when variable rate billing was introduced in Alberta. Now the employees have to work a permanent graveyard shift; the company can’t afford to run its electric furnaces during the daylight hours anymore.

We will not sell the BCR.. No HST. How about that phony carbon tax going to fiberal friends.

Hey, Noseverance! Have a drink, relax…. It’s only BC hydro watching you. After all it’s Christmas time. LOL

You’re assuming nojob, that I object on the basis of health concerns. That is not what upsets me about this program.

What irritates me is that they’re spending a billion dollars to change these meters out wholesale for ones that work just fine, instead of spending that money to upgrade the power infrastructure instead in a time when we could use the infrastructure investment and it’s spinoff benefits. If they really want to switch to smart meters, why not phase it in as new homes are built and old meters malfunction and need to be replaced?

I just bought a brand new home, built in 2011. I have a brand new analogue meter to go along with my home. I just received a notice in the mail that they are now coming around to replace my analogue meter. Why the F didn’t they put one in in the summer when the house was built?

BC Hydro’s rationalization about the expenditure of a billion taxpayer dollars is dubious at best. I think their strategy and thinking itself is flawed, seriously flawed. This is not how I’d like to see my tax dollars spent. Look at it from this perspective if you will. I’m just spit balling here, because I can’t be bothered to look it up, but BC Hydro has about 1.5 million customers. They intend to change all of these customers meters, most of which presumably work just fine and while installed in homes and businesses, have intrinsic value. No? What happens to that value when you pull it off the wall? We’ve already paid for the meters currently in place through rates and fees. For the sake of argument, lets say on average, these meters have $10/meter of intrinsic value. So, to say nothing of the billion dollars they are going to spend to “upgrade” the grid, they’re in the process throwing away $15,000,000 of your money. To say nothing about what they’re going to do with all these meters???? put them in the landfill surely, because they will have no value. Do they intend to recycle them?

This is all about time of use billing. It’s also about patronage as the people these contracts have been awarded to have Liberal connections. Tawdry. It’s not about conservation. This will not save money in the end. Hydro theft will go on, and a very good case can be made that more of it will go on via hacking the grid. No, this is about lining people’s pockets with taxpayer money and confer zero benefit to taxpayers in the process. It’s criminal is what it is and I’m not happy about it and intend to fight the utility all the way and up to them trying to cut my power off and then I will take the fight very public. Our ancestors and living relatives and of course ourselves have paid for every asset of this utility. It’s ours and we should have a say in how it’s run. I intend to exercise that right.

Socredible, like you I have been complaining for years about this government doing everything to compromise the natural advantages we have in this province — the argument always made is that by leaning on our natural advantages we become lazy and uncompetitive and thereby we will lose the economic race. Irritates me to no end — every other ruddy country in the world trades on their natural advantage. Of course, if we all made $5.00/hr that advantage would be ok

Just adding a little fuel to the fire
This taken from smartgridnews.com April 18 2011

Finally! Itron scores a big win at BC Hydro
Quick Take: It has been a while since Itron recorded a major victory in the smart metering wars. It got back into the winning column last week with a deal to send two million smart meters to BC Hydro. Itron was once a stock market darling, but had fallen out of favor recently as rivals snatched away several big deals. This victory has some analysts cautiously optimistic again. Needed next – either another big win or some kind of concrete results from the Cisco partnership announced last fall. – Jesse Berst

Jesse Berst, founder and chief analyst of Smart Grid News, has been covering smart grid technology and marketing trends for the past decade.

Itron won big last week, landing a contract to provide about two million new meters for BC Hydro’s Smart Metering Program within the next two years.

The contract, worth about $270 million, includes the related system software and meter data management system. BC Hydro’s metering program is expected to keep electricity rates lower than they would have been by saving about $70 million in the first three years of implementation and providing a net benefit to consumers over the long term of more than $500 million. The Itron OpenWay® meters will run over a Cisco-powered multi-application communication network

“Itron is a top tier metering system provider with proven smart meter solutions, extensive utility experience and a clear commitment to ensuring BC Hydro achieves our Smart Metering objectives,” said Gary Murphy, chief project officer for BC Hyro.

So….. B.C. Hydro says the exposure from the Smart Meter over 20 years is the same as the exposure of a 30 minute call on a cell phone?????

So is that amount for just ONE Smart Meter? What would the exposure RISKS be when we include EVERY SMART METER INSTALLED IN BC….?????

It’s a whole different story then isn’t it?

Then we have to include all the exposure we get from microwaves, satellite transmissions, hydro electric transmissions, cellphones, cordless phones, colour TV radiation, wireless internet… of course there’s more to add ot this list.

Now add all that up and it’s quite a fair bit of exposure we get from everyday things.

I say enough is enough. I will sign a petition AGAINST this.

“Amazing how we as Canadian always have to pay the price. The US gets our hydro cheaper than us. Why the dickens can’t this government go after the arrears from California…”
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A lot of that involves how the overall money system works macro-economically. Because NO modern industrial country can fully purchase and pay for ALL its own production from the total amount of wages, salaries, and dividends (‘Incomes’, in other words) that are distributed in the course of making that production, all of them engage in a frenzied quest to run a so-called ‘favourable’ balance of trade internationally.

They try to have a surplus of exports over imports, and receive international credits for the difference. The receipt of these credits allows the Bank of Canada to create an equivalent amount of Canadian money at whatever the prevailing exchange rate is between our currency and the one of the country we have a balance of trade surplus with.

The entry of this ‘new money’ into our economy goes some way towards closing the otherwise greater gap that continually exists between the collective total of Prices of all goods and services for sale in Canada, and the collective total of all Incomes distributed in one and the same fiscal period that it takes to fully liquidate the Prices of those goods and services.

Without it, the gap would have to be closed by an increase in overall debt in Canada itself.

It is not of any great importance to this highly illusionary process whether the American purchasers of our power ever pay for it or not. We have no intention of using the American money they are in arrears for to purchase American goods, (that would make international ‘trade’ be a true exchange of ‘product’ ~ which is the last thing we want, or at least our financial controllers do). And the ‘new money’ the Bank of Canada created in respect of it has already entered the Canadian economy regardless.

That explanation is about as short as can be made of a highly complex situation, but that’s approximately how it works, and why we don’t “pull the switch” until the bills are paid. If only we could ever come to realise how international “trade” really works, and WHY it’s really conducted, there’d be a great hue and cry for some long overdue ‘financial’ changes.

While we’re on the subject, just what other company gets to raise its prices to pre-pay for new infrastructure?

Those of us in private business have to fund our own ‘infrastructure’ from greater efficiencies the expenditure of this capital enables.

We can’t go to the public with demands for a price increase because we want to build a new store, or factory, or get new production equipment, etc.

The theory seems to be that the expenditures we make have to pay for themselves from prices that are, at best, going to be the same. And in all likelihood, can be lowered, with the difference in total take made up positively through an increase in volume.

newtechie the following supports what you are saying once again this taken from Itron

While the signals from
the other thousands of Smart Meters were randomly occurring across the band, because of the number of meters simultaneously operating, the presence of signals on each frequency was evident. Had only one Smart Meter been operating, this would not have been the case, as discussed earlier.
Attempting to make measurements of the actual time-averaged field magnitude, however, can be very difficult and time
consuming. Further, the transmitter activity of a given Smart Meter is expected to vary from hour to hour and
day to day. Hence, a single determination of duty cycle may provide insight to the likelihood of the value being rather large or very small but without much statistical
power. Ideally, the duty cycle should be characterized over a sufficiently long time period to provide confidence in what the maximum expected duty cycle during any 30-minute period would be17.

The plot Thickens

The Western Electricity Coordinating Council (WECC) is the North American Regional Entity responsible for coordinating the bulk of electric system reliability for the Western U.S., Canada and part of Mexico — considerably the largest partnership between utilities. Because of the diverse characteristics of the region, WECC and its members (including Southern California Edison, Pacific Gas and Electric, San Diego Gas and Electric, BC Hydro and many more) face unique challenges in coordinating interconnected system operations and the long-range planning needed to provide reliable electric service across nearly 1.8 million square miles. Cisco is collaborating with Harris Corporation, an international communications and IT company, on a five-year contract to provide a Wide Area Network (WAN) for the WECC. Once built, WECC’s WAN will form a communications foundation that will help detect and avert regional electrical system disturbances across an area that extends from Canada through 14 western U.S. states, including California, Arizona, New Mexico and Idaho; the Canadian provinces of Alberta and British Columbia; and the northern portion of Baja California, Mexico.

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“…Why the dickens can’t this government go after the arrears from California…”

The government (BC NDP) which sold hundreds of millions of dollar worth of electricity to a California company tried to get paid. However, the company declared bankruptcy and there is no one left to sue.

I think infamous Enron was involved.

It’s history. BC got stiffed.

Australia found out the cost to implement the smart meters came in at 400% above what they had originally projected. No savings there.

In BC they don’t want to follow the law to have these implemented. The law be damned… BC Utilities Commission be damned… the health concerns of citizens be damned… the privacy concerns of citizens be damned… meanwhile potential unfriendlies like China and Iran are happy they get a back door to our power grid, homes, and industry.

At least in places like Switzerland they made smart meters that were hard wired rather than this baloney wireless Frankenstein. For a small cost we could have addressed the major concerns, but lets face it this is more about political connections than it is about updating the system to 21st century standards… its not like most 99% of homes in BC are not already hardwired to the telephone network.

I signed up to have my house off the wireless smart meter roll out (I am a patriot)… they sent me a letter saying tough luck they will be by to install it shortly….

More and more we become a totalitarian state every day under this so called BC liberal government.

The California issue involved Enron and BC Hydro and the likes of BC based 360 Networks, American Worldcom, and the likes.

It was a business of revenue swapping on trade deals involving electricity and bandwidth… reciprocal buying that saw the revenue side recognized up front and the cost side deferred over the life of the contract, which was usually twenty years… skewing big time the net profits ignoring the cash flow.

This was a huge violation of normal accounting rules, but in BC the BCSC saw it as nothing more than financial innovation and enabled the whole process. Investors the world over vowed never again to invest in any company governed by the BCSC. Ask Pat Bell about it he was a big supporter in his push for ‘deregulation of the financial sector’ when the BCSC was in his portfolio. The end result is a ponzi scheme and most all the companies involved in it are not in business today costing average investors tens of billions in lost equity and confidence in the lawless financial markets.

BC Hydro was seen as the innovator in this new financial ‘innovation’ and as such was told to swallow their own loses from their new financial ‘innovation’. Aurthor Anderson was the accounting firm that enabled the whole scam… they became the largest accounting firm bankruptcy in history when the scam came to light due to the legal liabilities they created… senior management jumped ship… the same guys that created the revenue swapping arrangement… so senior management spun off into Accenture who then became the BC Hydro billing partners… life continued for those that created the revenue swapping ponzi scheme that costed BC Hydro hundreds of millions and North American investors tens of billions… and they remain in favor to this day with the political elite (especially the BC liberals) for reasons we can only guess at… disclosure isn’t their strong suit.

Its why Pat Bell goes to China to find new investors in BC and not mainstreet USA.

Smart meters are more analytical then they need to be. BC Hydro has gone over the top on them. They can be used to profile people, they pollute our environment with unnecessary microwaves. They bring to bondage the citizens of BC because of their micro-managing capabilities of power use.

Big Business and the rich will soon rule the planet.I have been doing some reading about Cisco who will be handling the wireless network for the smart meters. All that I can really say is “Holy Crap”. Their return on investment (ROI)strategy is scary. They mention workforce reductions of 30-50 percent and the elimination of contractors and this can be achieved by the progress of technology and smart grids.
But why worry the world will end in 2012 and maybe the few remaining troglodytes can start all over again.Nothing like starting with a clean slate.

It’s only scary, Littlebuds, if you look on “workforce reductions” as being something which NECESSARILY deprive people of an ‘income’.

Such a policy, which IS currently being followed, (unnecessarily, in my view), is self-defeating overall for both “big business” and the “rich” (if they hope to stay that way). Though it’s highly doubtful in their individual quests to get ahead or stay ahead they realise that ~ yet.

For in a world dependent on ‘money’, without the distribution of ‘incomes’ there can be no ‘consumption’. And if no one can consume, what’s the point of continued ‘production’?

There is really NO necessity, in our modern world, to make the agency of distribution ~ money ~ solely available to consumers from wages and salaries alone.

Indeed, as we continue to displace labour, and current labour incomes, with increasing mechanisation and technology, we are going to have to devise a different method of distributing consumer incomes. Or we’ll continue to have what we’re already increasingly witnessing. A ‘financial’ poverty in the midst of a ‘physical’ plenty as we try to make FACTS fit FIGURES that have ceased to have any basis in reality.

Eagleone:-“Accenture who then became the BC Hydro billing partners… life continued for those that created the revenue swapping ponzi scheme that costed BC Hydro hundreds of millions and North American investors tens of billions… and they remain in favor to this day with the political elite (especially the BC liberals) for reasons we can only guess at… disclosure isn’t their strong suit.”

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The people at Enron did indeed violate the current accounting conventions. But the question remains as to whether they were out and out crooks, (as they’ve been branded), or whether they were in an otherwise legitimate business whose very nature was ahead of the evolution of modern accounting practises. Ones that are not generally acceptable now, but very well may be in the not too distant future.

Regardless, there is a much LARGER issue at stake here. And that is that NO modern national economy is fully financially financially ‘self-liquidating’ in each and every cycle of production/consumption.

Until we’re prepared to deal with that larger issue, we’ll continue to see the kind of perversions in accountancy you’ve related. And they’ll often be tacitly encouraged by governments, who, if they realise at all that ‘money’ itself is merely ‘accounting’, (which I doubt very many do), are completely unprepared to look at how it actually works, and might be made to work better for us all.

gamblor is correct, you can get started on solar panels for 4k. Key words And add to them, you can get off grid for 15-25k whole house.

I refused the smart meter and I haven’t been disconnected yet, that was a good three months ago. I’m sure they will be back but hopefully by then this controversy and problems will be dealt with.

that didn’t post correctly.

key words (get started) and add to them.

I called BC Hydro a few days after my smart meter was installed (they did it when I was not at home) to ask why the meter is showing all kinds of error codes in a repeating sequence and if it was indeed set up to give a valid reading, ever.

I also asked why it is wireless and why it is not using the existing powerlines to send readings to BC Hydro. I was told that using the hardwired method would have been entirely feasible and that the decision was made at the top to go wireless.

The crazy error readings were due to the fact that the meter was attempting to go online but there was nothing to connect to yet at the time.

The decision to opt for wireless may yet come back to haunt the high paid know-it-alls in the ivory towers of superior knowledge.

Socredible I like your input but I think I have the future figured out. I just finished watching Soylent Green and The Omega Man.And no I am not a fan of Heston

BC Hydro has it figured out. You refuse the smart meter be prepared to pay extra on your Hydro bill to have your meter read manually.

Why pay 15 to 20k for Solar and not sell the excess back to Hydro? You will need a special smart meter to do that.

In the end you need power, in the end we will all be paying more with or without the smart meters.

I hope I am home when they come to install my smart meter in a few weeks.I am going to stand there and watch them install it.I would then like to remove it before they turn the juice back on,and take it down to Shirley Bonds office and screw it to her desk.See what kind of a reaction I would get performing that task.A trip to jail would surely follow,but it would be fun none the less.

Make sure you video tape it and post it on youtube.

BTW they swap the meter out hot!

Smart Meters put out near constant bombardment with pulsed microwave radiation. In the most intense 24-hour bombing raids on a city in the history of this world, when thousands and thousands of bombs were dropped, if we only add the detonation times of each bomb which is just thousandths of a second each, then the total bombing time would be just some small number of seconds to a few minutes. This is how the utility companies attempt to minimize the impression of the impact of the tens of thousands of radiation pulses emitted by smart meters.

Some tinfoil hats are on too tight.