Hey, we have internet petitions dealing with City of PG issues going to this City signed by people not only from outside orf PG, but outside of Country.

Oil is not only a national issue, but also an international issue. Get used to it.

Cullen, get over yourself! You’d be doing the same darn thing. Just because they aren’t your ideas, they’re wrong. Get real and start working WITH the process instead of fear mongering.

Cullen is a professional complainer.

Prince Rupert is submitting to the Enbridge review..
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The City of Prince Rupert has released a draft of its written submission to the government hearings on the proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline, which are set top begin next month.

Boiled-down to its most basic message, the submission argues that Prince Rupert depends on a pristine marine environment too much to put it at risk – no matter how statistically small that risk is – by having oil tankers sailing out of Kitimat.

The submission itself is kept clean of any slights against Enbridge the company, nor does it point out any particular aspect or perceived flaws of the project that are cause for concern. Instead of arguing the moral responsibility of protecting the environment, they make their argument with the same tools that the energy company often makes theirs: economics.

The thrust of the City’s argument is that many of the existing industries in Prince Rupert depend on a clean marine environment for survival. Prince Rupert’s tourism for instance relies on it for everything from the nice views for drawing in tourists, to sports fishing and grizzly bear tours.

“Needless to say a Prince William Sound-esque (Exxon Valdez) oil spill would put much of the economic activity in jeopardy not to mention the destruction of marine habitat,” reads the draft submission.

The City also worries what an accident would mean for those who make their living from harvesting resources from the ocean.

“The harvesting of salmon, halibut, herring, crabs and a host of other marine species generates tens of millions of dollars into the Prince Rupert and regional economy. Historically, a clean marine environment has allowed Prince Rupert to literally generate billions of dollars in economic activity.”

The City also argues that First Nations people who live in Prince Rupert have a right to harvest the ocean for social, ceremonial and cultural purpose, a right they could not exercise if the waters off Prince Rupert were ever polluted. This, they fear, would have a profoundly negative effect on aboriginal communities.

“For time immemorial, Coastal First Nation peoples have depended on a clean marine environment to sustain their civilization. That dependency exists to this day even in our modern world.”

The City advocates that the National Energy Board’s joint review panel for assessing the pipeline project should use a method called “the triple bottom line approach.” Using this approach, a potential development is assessed on its social, environmental and economic value, instead of just trying to figure out if a project’s economic benefit outweighs the environmental risk.

This approach is meant to give a better idea of how a project will effect quality of life in a region. The city says that the triple bottom line approach is the basis for the Prince Rupert’s Quality of Life Official Community Plan. The result has been, according to the city, that development in Prince Rupert has gone ahead while keeping in mind how much residents value their environment.

“Even with growth, Prince Rupert has retained its natural and pristine look and feel. Development has been balanced as a result of the retention of natural landscapes, harbour views and mountain views and focusing higher densities and larger buildings downtown,” reads the submission.

With environmental conservation being an important factor for the survival of existing industries and for preserving Prince Rupert’s quality of life for its residents, the City concludes that:

“Any negative effect on the physical environment severely handicaps the community to exist as it desires.”

The written submission will not be the only participation in the Enbridge hearings that the City is planning. The City of Prince Rupert has also registered as an intervenor, which means that it will be allowed to submit questions and present evidence at the hearings when they get underway

Prince Rupert will stop Enbridge in their tracks.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/135614898.html

Part I

In his 25 years at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Ralph Dollhopf has never seen anything like the Enbridge oil spill.

What Dollhopf described as the Midwest’s, and perhaps the nation’s, largest freshwater spill in at least a quarter century continues to present a challenge even after a year of all-hands-on-deck cleanup.

The river may look good, but most of its problems are now below the surface, said Dollhopf, senior on-scene coordinator for the EPA, the lead government agency on the spill.

The oil spill occurred on Enbridge’s Lakehead System Line 6B, a 30-inch pipeline that runs from Griffith, Ind., to Sarnia, Ontario. The pipeline ruptured just outside Marshall’s city limits near Division Drive. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil seeped into the earth or was drained into Talmadge Creek — a Kalamazoo River tributary.

“It was very significant for us,” Dollhopf said.

The volume of the spill — reportedly 843,000 gallons — was unheard of for a crude oil leak in the EPA’s Region 5 (the division of the EPA that includes Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana and Minnesota), he said. Early on, a major concern was the crude oil’s destination. The Kalamazoo River’s water flows west to Lake Michigan.

That concern was alleviated when the oil was stopped just shy of Morrow Lake near Galesburg. Nonetheless, more than 35 miles of water and shoreline were affected, Dollhopf said.

“There’s no question that we’ve recovered a large fraction of the reported amount of oil,” Dollhopf said.

In its July 12 Pollution/Situation Report, the EPA noted that 766,288 gallons of oil had been recovered and separated at the Enbridge facility in Griffith, Ind.

There also was oil contained in the soil and plant matter that was removed from the site, Dollhopf said. The amount of oil removed using that process is still being calculated. Ultimately, Dollhopf said the EPA has directed Enbridge to find out how much oil is left in the river

Part II

As the river became inundated with oil, officials faced two major challenges, said Christopher Haux, operations manager for Enbridge.

First, the river was at a 100-year flood stage. The oil flooded onto island and riverbank areas and was left behind when the floodwaters receded. In fact, as of Tuesday, there were still about 300 locations along the river bank where tar patties or contaminated soil had to be addressed, according to Mark Durno, EPA deputy incident commander.

Second, oil in the river, being a heavy form of crude, began to mix with sediment and sink to the bottom. This submerged oil has proven difficult to locate, challenging and time-consuming to remove and surprisingly voluminous, Haux said.

Although recovery of surface oil in flood plains never really stopped, “the story has become about submerged oil,” Dollhopf said. “There’s no question about that.”

The true scope of the submerged problem was first recognized in late fall 2010, Dollhopf said. A spring 2011 re-assessment of the river’s bottom identified sunken crude across a total of 200 acres.

“It’s not an overall surprise, but the quantities were not something we overall expected,” Haux said. After conducting the meticulous study that lasted several weeks during the spring, Enbridge came back with detailed locations of the submerged oil remaining in the river.

Now, “we know what the footprints are, but we’re working to determine what the actual volume is,” Dollhopf said.

And, of course, Enbridge is working to remove that volume from the river’s bottom.

Pockets of submerged oil have formed at natural deposit areas along the river, Dollhopf said. Three major areas are behind the dam at Ceresco, the Mill Pond just east of Battle Creek and the delta of Morrow Lake.

Even as submerged oil is found and removed, it continues to deposit, Dollhopf said.

After a site is cleaned, oil from upstream can be again deposited there as submerged oil moves with currents, flood events and the scraping of ice in the winter. Because it is constantly moving, the process has been a cycle of removal and reassessment, Dollhopf said.

“Ultimately, we’re trying to get the submerged oil so it is out of the system and not doing biological harm,” Dollhopf said.

The EPA has set an Aug. 31 deadline to remove the oil identified in the spring reassessment.

Once the EPA is satisfied that the submerged oil is removed — to the extent that it can be without harming the environment — the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality would begin to take a stronger leadership role in the long-term cleanup, and EPA would take more of a support role, Dollhopf said.

Enbridge will then begin the process of meeting MDEQ long-term environmental criteria at the cleanup sites, Haux said.

“Just like every other process, it doesn’t mean we’re done,” Haux said. “If there’s something left, we go take care of it.”

Sarah Lambert can be reached at 966-0589 or slambert@battlecreekenquirer.com.

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20110725/OILSPILL/107250308/Oil-Water-Submerged-oil-now-biggest-issue

The University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy issued an analysis Thursday concluding that with expanded pipeline access to U.S. and Asian markets, Canada’s gross domestic product would jump $132 billion in 2010 dollars between 2016 and 2030, generating $27 billion in federal, provincial and municipal taxes and 649,000 person-years of employment.

But the study also shows that the overwhelming economic benefit of pipeline expansion to B.C. goes to Alberta.

The opening of the Asian market would trigger $10.5 billion in gains and 52,000 person-years of employment in Canada, but almost $10 billion of that wealth and 44,000 person-years go to Alberta.

Ontario would get $286 million and 4,000 person-years, while B.C. would enjoy $131 million and 2,000 person-years.

The study also “suggests” that B.C. would gain an additional $85 million in GDP and another 1,000 person-years due to increased exports to California if pipelines are built to the West Coast.

Read more: http://www.canada.com/business/decision+pipeline+will+signal+world+Alberta+premier+says/5867912/story.html#ixzz1gsTYLF5a

A whopping $14.3 million per year, all the risk, risking 1200 rivers and streams and our fragile northern coast for $14.3 million per year..

Only an idiot would do that, the 16 years of the project the royalties wouldn`t buy 1/4 of a new BC place roof!

We do have an idiot in office in Ottawa. His name is Harper. We do have an idiot in office in BC. Her name is Clarke. The people of BC are not idiots, the problem is, will our so-called elected leaders listen to us? I think it will take nothing short of a sustained massive protests to get this project cancelled.

Enjoy the film

http://www.seankheraj.com/?p=1079

Why hold public hearings if you are unwilling to listen to the public. The majority of British Columbians, especially northern British Columbians who will have to live with the effects of an oil spill off the coast of Kitimat, are against this proposal, and their voices should at least be considered.

Thank you to Nathan Cullen for standing up for his constituents and for the environment. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the way he does politics. His honestly and compassion are refreshing. I think he will make a fantastic leader of the NDP.

Let’s stop all development in BC. Maybe Ottawa can pay for welfare for all of us.

Have you seen the ads by BP telling the world what wonderful corporate citizens they are because they’ve ‘cleaned up the Gulf’. I wonder how many of those ads are in Enbridge’s future for their multitude of oil spills around the world.
And why does the Conservative government all of a sudden need to review the public hearing process. Shouldn’t they already be fully aware of the process. After all, they have been in government for a while.
Harper doesn’t much care what the people want, unless it fits in with his plans.

Ruez nailed it.

Ps – I’m tired of all this rhetoric from criminalmind. I’m going back to the powellriverinsinuator… Oh wait that’s even worse

^ What interceptor said.

Enbridge covering their crimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gXaYZVGw44&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlnri_scklA&feature=player_embedded

Yea Johny, you always do…

Let other people think for you.

I wonder if its too late to get an ndp membership to support Mr Cullen in his leadership bid?

Harper doesn’t want outside interference involved with disputing the pipeline but he is allowing outside interference in supporting the pipeline – the Chinese. Makes as much sense as putting in the pipeline does.

Calling MP Cullen a “professional complainer” or making assumptions about what he would or would not do if he was in PM Harper’s position are both very weak arguments. Especially when no evidence for either is presented. Weak arguments like those are at best simple name calling.

As a rebuttal to such comments I offer my thoughts as someone who has actually met and spoken with MP Cullen. I have found him able to speak intelligently about current topics of interest, the Northern Gateway Pipeline project being one of them. He has taken a firm position against that project and is able to explain why he is against that project. He is not opposed to it merely for a need to complain about something nor is he opposed to it merely because it is not his own personal idea. He opposes it because a large number of people he represents are opposed to it. And last I checked, a MP is *supposed* to be representing the voice of the people who elected them.

As for accusing MP Cullen of ‘fear mongering’, please, present us with some shred of evidence of this. Of all I have read and of all I have seen and of all I have heard coming from MP Cullen, not once has any of that been some kind of fear mongering.

And to the person who suggests stopping all development in BC, I sincerely hope you are not serious. If you’re trying to suggest that MP Cullen is against improving the economy then perhaps you should take a look at his statements about the economy. About how improving the economy does not have to mean playing russian roulette with the environment. Improving the economy and improving/protecting the environment can work together towards a better life for everyone.

Pitting one against the other is a recipe for disaster. If you don’t believe me, just ask anyone who was affected by the Exxon Valdez spill or the Gulf of Mexico oil spill or the oil spill in Hardisty, Alberta Jan 2001 or the oil spill in Cohasset, Minnesota July 2002 or the oil spill in Superior, Wisconsin in Jan 2003 or the gas pipeline explosion near a Etobicoke strip mall that killed seven people or the oil spill in Stanley, North Dakota in Jan 2007 or the two oil spills in Clark and Rusk County, Wisconsin in Feb 2007 or the oil pipeline explosion in Clearbrook, Minnesota that killed two workers or the oil spill near Anzac, Alberta Jan 2009 that wasn’t detected for over three hours or the oil spill near Neche, North Dakoka in Jan 2010. All but the first two (Exxon Valdez and Gulf of Mexico) of the above incidents were perpetrated by just *one* company, the company in question. And that company is not even the worst offender when it comes to oil related spills and explosions.

In conclusion, I suggest to all those who like posting one liners and half-offs: Do some homework, try to understand the issues, and please, stop acting like a snarky child by making backhanded, unsupported comments. All that does is flag you as yet another common internet troll. Why not try being a grown up and stop with the name calling and heckling. Try contributing with thought out arguments that offer some shred of evidence or support.

Bah, I just hit refresh, why did it re-post my comment?

Thanks for that ktuite. I totally agree with everything you say about that TROLL.
It’s always the same thing from there and I am happy that you said something. A couple weeks ago I started a thread on FREE FOR ALL one time a couple months back about selling my house and moving outa PG. Some a the comments from that camp were just derogitory in nature and I am also known as a MAJOR complainer to this crack pot. So don’t feel bad or insulted it is just how this stooge talks to people. I too know Nathan and he is a very good rep for the people of this end of BC. Oh well soon the NDP will be back in BC and the HST WILL be EXTINGUISHED. There johnny that’s how THE MAJORITY feel and WE THE PEOPLE WILL re-elect the NDP here as soon as possible. Count on it.

“Calling MP Cullen a “professional complainer” or making assumptions about what he would or would not do if he was in PM Harper’s position are both very weak arguments.”

You obviously haven’t been listening to Cullen over the past many years on the political scene. If you had, you would know where I am coming from. The guy doesn’t have one positive thing to say about anything, unless it suits the NDP in some way.

Anybody can cut and paste from other sites that they happen to agree with, it doesn’t make them any more ‘in the know’ or more educated than anybody else.

Sadly, I have no doubt the NDP will get back in at the next Provincial election. Then you can watch the fun begin. Big government and big taxes for all.

BC Progress board states BC worse off in 2010 than 2000.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-politics/compared-with-other-provinces-bc-worse-off-in-2010-than-2000/article2280105/

http://willcocks.blogspot.com/2011/02/progress-bard-reports-show-liberal.html

BC debt tripled under BC Liberals, highest taxed province west of Quebec, BC leading in child poverty for 8 straight years.

BC, lowest median income in all of Canada.

Wakey Wakey

BC became a have not province “once” under the NDP.

BC became a have not province “five” times under the Liberals.

Don’t forget that most of the Trolls doing all the anti NDP and pro Enbridge whining are business owners that love the handouts provided to them by our liberal gov’t and could care less about any environmental destruction that “will” occur from this pipeline if it happens. Just so long as they get their piece of the pie.

I have noticed a few posters that seem to think the only thing we need to worry about is when a spill on our coast occurs. Please don’t forget that this oil and condensate will be crossing the entire province of BC and will be threatening many rivers, streams, lakes and all the dirt it crosses all the way to Kitimat as well.

Eagleone:
It’s not too late to get a membership. That deadline comes in February. I’ve recently become a member to support Nathan as well.

JB:
I’ve been following Nathan since 2004, when he first got into politics. He has proven that he is more interested in improving the country than he is in winning elections; he makes that clear with his Cooperation plan.
That being said, he is good at campaigning. He’s sincere and likeable, and voters respond well to that. What’s wrong with that?

please look at this picture..

This is BC.

http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/1600000/orcas-wild-orca-the-killer-whale-1632658-640-480.jpg

Look at this picture.

Tar sand destruction, toxic to anything living tailing ponds.

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/files/2011/08/LenzTarSands-12-480×319.jpg

http://rethinkalberta.org/images/tailingPond.jpg

Harpers concern for these hearings is well placed. The list of presenters includes hundreds of outright enviro crackpots. Its the equivilant of e-mail spam. All sides need to be heard but there needs to be some control on profesional protesters whose sole purpose is to filibust the process.

Hey Dragon, as far as trolls go, look in the mirror. BC WAS NOT a have not province 5 times under the libs. Time to get beamed up dragon.

Good to see the normal line-up of eco-ignorance alive and well. Cullen as a saviour – of what? Does he think if you remove all industry from the area things will be good for the residents? How do you think the sandals and hemp products get shipped to the stores in Smithers – I trust most of you think some eco-friendly non-toxic, free, teletransporter? No its a truck. How about food. I guess local tourism dollars pay for healthcare? Flights to Vancouver for patients in need of critical care of paid out of the local tax accounts? How about the police budget? Get real and wake up to the fact that balance is just that – balance. The world runs on oil – in fact so does Haida Gwaii – the power there is generated from burning diesel – not to mention every other little hamlet in the middle of nowhere up and down the coast. The fishing fleet that everyone so desperately says will somehow disappear – also runs on diesel. Cullen should be ashamed of himself for using tax dollars from the oilsands that pay his government of canada salary and fuel the planes trains and automobiles he uses to criss cross the country back-stabbing and double talking his way to a pension that will be handed to him courtesy of royalties from natural resources – NOT JUST INCOME AND PROPERTY TAXES. I am a BC resident and think this is a good idea. With the pipeline there is a remote possibility of damage, if the opposition succeeds in ending this pipeline project, there is a 100% chance of suffering in the North Coast as all investment runs for the hills.

That’s exactly what chicken little said too and we all know how that turned out.

Please explain why all investment would run for the hills if a pipeline was rejected on environmental and national energy security concerns?

Thanks Heather. I think I’ll do that. Cullen is on the side of the people from what I can see, and I’d like to be able to support him more even though he’s not my MP. I think he would do very well as leader of the ndp and has what it takes to take the rural riding’s from the conservatives probably winning a national election.

Quebec would be his trouble spot though I’m thinking….

criminalmind here is what that image of yours will look like someday if not already

http://www.syncrude.ca/users/lib_view.asp?FolderID=5703&LibraryItemKey=22&ImagePos=11&ImageNum=27&array=10,48,12,52,14,47,17,18,19,21,22,24,23,59,60,61,25,56,28,57,26,29,30,31,32,33,58&pageName=

The fact of the matter is that we have almost a 600 billion dollar national debt in Canada. We have an ageing population, many cities in Canada are facing deterioration of their infrastructure. Our health system is getting squeezed and the list goes on. Where does Mr. Cullen and the NDP expect to get the money for these things? Oh wait, I know, the tax payer! Of coarse…gee how could I have missed that? In Canada we are blessed with natural resources that the world needs. Case in point, we have oil and the world desperately needs it and are willing to pay us for it. This project can generate 3000 construction jobs and 560 long term employment, 1.2 billion in tax revenue for the province of BC over 30 years. Risk, well there is a risk in everything we do. Mankind would never have landed on the moon if NASA was frozen by risk. The Wright brothers would never have flown if they were frozen by risk and the list goes on.

Time to shove it dow7500

Eagleone:
That’s great to hear. You should check out http://www.nathancullen.ca. I’ve been doing a little bit of volunteering for his campaign. I think he will make a great leader.
From what I gather, his French is quite good (I don’t speak French myself) and it looks like he’s getting support all over Canada.
He also has a great energy policy :o)

Eagleone:
That’s great to hear. You should check out http://www.nathancullen.ca. I’ve been doing a little bit of volunteering for his campaign. I think he will make a great leader.
From what I gather, his French is quite good (I don’t speak French myself) and it looks like he’s getting support all over Canada.
He also has a great energy policy :o)

I’ll shove the day you stop spewing crap. which is tough when your full of it.

If MP Cullen’s intentions are so obvious over the past many years, then there should be no problem finding some kind of evidence for an argument that he is a “professional complainer” or that he engages in rampant fear mongering, or any fear mongering for that matter. And yet here I am, still waiting for even a shred of evidence of this.

I do agree, in part, with the point about how copying and pasting from another website doesn’t, on its own, mean that someone is more ‘in the know’ or more educated than anyone else. Conversely, it doesn’t mean they are any less ‘in the know’ or educated than anyone else. It just means they copy and pasted, nothing more, nothing less. I do hope that is not the only argument for not presenting any evidence of MP Cullen fear mongering or being a “professional complainer.”

And what is it with people continuing to say that MP Cullen is against all industry? He is against a pipeline project that is being proposed by a company that has been cited here and in the US for many violations in relation to numerous large spills and two deadly explosions and for many more violations outside of those catastrophic incidents. Since when is that someone being against all industry? To my knowledge, he has never once stated he was even against having an oil industry. He is for companies and government being fair and acting responsibly. The only way he could be against all industry is if all industry was not being fair nor acting responsibly.

This should not be just about a pipeline. This should be about an integrated project.

The project?

1. expand the current annual capacity of extracting crude from the Alberta tar sands
2. expand the customer base to a more global presence
3. build a pipeline to support 1 and 2
4. bring supertankers to the coastal waters of the north coast of BC.

The entire project ought to be viewed as an integrated development and assessed for its technical, economic, social, environmental and geopolitical effects over the next 40+ years in relation to other Canadian options.

This is primarily a Canadian and Albertan project, not a BC project. We are merely the transportation route.

This is not the first transprovincial pipeline in Canada. We have virtually a half century of experience with transprovincial pipelines which can provide us with information of the above short term and long term impacts.

This is not rocket science, but a lot of people on both sides of the equation seem to make it out to be that.

What is the issue here is that once again, there is a lack of information, but the hearings will hopefully solve that if they are correctly handled. My only fear is that the government will try to increment this thing to death – deal with one element at a time and wait for the toughest piece to the last.

What would that be? In my mind:

1. whether to bring more capacity on line before inproved technology exists to reduce the energy required to extract the crude from the sand

2. whether we are doing the right thing geopolitically

3. whether we can increase the value added to the raw product before sending it out of the country

4. whether we can mitigate the risk of major oil spills by supertankers on the northern BC coast to an acceptable level.

5. whether we can mitigate the risk of oil spills by pipeline to an acceptable level.

6. whether the compensation to BC will be sufficient to represent the magnitude of the assistance BC is to Alberta, Canada and the oil producers in Alberta in accommodating their preferred route.

So far, Cullen is the only one I heard speaking at least partially in such terms. I really do nto give a chit which party he belongs to. I look at who makes sense and has a bit of a functioning brain.

BTW, we must remember that BC, as often, is a political anomally.

We have 12 NDP seats which make up one third of the total 36 BC seats.

BC, after Quebec, is the second largest stronghold of Federal NDP seats in Ottawa.

BC has the only Green seat in Canada.

In fact, our federal political mix looks more like a province to the east of Ontario than to the west of Quebec.

By the same token, New Brunswick looks more like a Prairie province politically than an Atlantic province.

I think if the oil tranportation through BC is not handled properly in process, that people will remember it at the polls in BC.

dow7500 you’re a moron. If you don’t like what I post don’t read it. If you keep up with the personal attacks you’ll be banned from this site.

“An oil spill from a stranded cargo ship off New Zealand is the country’s worst environmental disaster in decades, the government says.

Officials say 350 tonnes of oil may have leaked from the 775ft (236m) Rena, which ran aground on the Astrolabe Reef off the port of Tauranga on Wednesday.

Bad weather has halted work to pump oil off the ship.

Environment Minister Nick Smith said the situation was going to get “significantly worse” in coming days.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

People are angry that this could have happened on our doorstep”

Jim Kohu Local resident

“This event has come to a stage where it is New Zealand’s most significant maritime environmental disaster,” he told a news briefing in Tauranga”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15251319

Read more: http://www.canada.com/business/Northern+Gateway+debate+tale+provinces/5962870/story.html#ixzz1iqrcoWOU

“There is none so blind as those who refuse to see”

There is no point arguing with these people, save your breath.

You could have a 1000 scientists, marine biologists, doctors, fishermen, First Nations testify against this project and Enbridge would say everyone is wrong but them..

Don`t waste your time arguing with Johnny or Dow7500, it`s like arguing with a stump, or a cement block, or a rubber tire, or the stick in a ice cream bar.

This boat ran onto the reef back in October and just today broke up and now what ever was left in it is now in the water. It has been leaking heavy fuel now for months and now the end is here.
Good point as well about arguing with them 2 idiots. It seems to be scaring em when they KNOW that soon the NDP will be back here in BC and that the HST is gonna be extinquished. And they also better know that the fun is gonna begin when the protests start up here and it is gonna be entertaining. People aint gonna quit this fight. Hope we can get to have it like the arabs is doing and get 100 thousand or more out to protest. I like Greece how they can all go on strike and shut em down. That’s what we need here. And quit buying ANYTHING made in china. If it’s a toaster or what ever it is if it says MADE IN CHINA don’t buy it. It is because of the that this thing is now on the agenda. If we don’t buy nothing from em maybe we can stop some of this garbage from being imported here and we all have no jobs no more cuz they have this stuff made by commies and their slaves. QUIT BUYING FROM THEM. Common math sense would say if they got no more customers they can’t make no more garbage for us here. Make them unemployed. They deserve NOTHING from us in the form of money. Hit them in the pocket just like they been doing to us. These corporations could be slowed down very much if people would stop buying from them. All these stores all sell this stuff and we need to stop going to them and buying things. Like a strike. Oh sheesh I just woke up from this awsome dream. Sure would be fun though.

“Dare to dream”

Cheers

Good Day

Sorry dragon, your right, im a moron,and I will now shove it.

What has happened to us ?Why have we become such a violent abusive society? I know that we all have character traits that define our personalities and at times there is a clash but why is the knee jerk reaction is one of hostility.It is OK to be angry or object to opinions, we enjoy that rite, but to display fanatical responses can only be seen as disrespect or an unwillingness to understand, IMO. With that said I think that some replies may include comments about the sixties (I was too young) or that I may not live in the real world and I will respect those individual opinions unless they become abusive then I will choose to ignore them rather than challenge because in my opinion that response is just a vicious circle with no solution. Sorry could not wait until Friday.

Just curious if the pipeline supporter’s would rather we build a nuclear power plant instead of the site C project ??

Just curious if those against the pipeline would rather we build a nuclear power plant instead to charge our electric cars instead of burning gas?

“BEIJING — Capital International Airport in Beijing was forced to cancel hundreds of flights on Monday because of heavy smog and weather conditions. The cancellations were the latest sign that pollution in China’s largest cities, among the worst in the world, is leading to significant economic losses.

Monday’s air quality index from the United States Embassy’s air monitoring equipment in central Beijing measured more than 300, which is categorized as “hazardous.” On Sunday, the index hit the maximum of 500.

Both days, the air was a soupy brown haze.

The United States Embassy’s index reading is believed to be more accurate than that used by the Chinese government because Chinese officials only base their index on measurements of large particulate. The embassy also measures fine particulates, which are more harmful to human lungs. “

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/world/asia/smog-closes-beijing-airport.html

Idiotism in Prince George is alive and well..

The oil is for China, perhaps they should build nuclear..

And when Canada runs dry of oil in 15 years then wr all will build nuclear.

Of course we could have a safe secure CANADIAN supply for a century if we maintained current exports..

Oil has been at $100 dollars a barrel for years, how come Alberta is running deficits in the $billions, Canada too?

You dolts know this is about oil company Greed..

China is about to have the mother of all housing bubbles(120 million EMPTY brand new condos and highrise apartments)and their recession will halt their imports,

And, there will a environmental revolution in China…Why?

Because their effing children are dying from smog and toxic water pollution.

You oil whores are so predictably stunned

http://letustalk.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/beijing-pollution-2.jpg

http://sciencedude.ocregister.com/files/2008/05/beijingsmog-copy.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_02/pollutionAP1707_468x312.jpg

http://davebuemi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/beijing-smog.bmp

It`s China that will be going Nuclear, leaving dumbass Canadians wandering around in daze, broke, oil companies gone, poisoned coastline, polluted rivers..

Here`s a grand idea…

Build a pipeline to Eastern Canada to the irving refineries, you know, the oner that get 70% og their oil from Arab states, how about securing Canadian refineries first?

Prince George, home of the nuckledraggers.

If everyone knew how to read the placards on the tankers that travel through our city daily, they would be horrified at the potential danger.

If everyone knew the contents of all of the tanker rail cars that move through our fair city, they would lose sleep at night. Especially with all of the concern about de-railments in recent years.

How is running a pipeline across our province any more or less hazardous?

Everything has a certain amount of risk. When people cut corners and ignore safety issues, the risk increases.

I support the pipeline. Canada is rich in natural resources and resources are the financial foundation of not only our province, but our country. We just need to make sure the environmental concerns have been addressed throughout the process.

On the issue of stacking meetings to affect the outcome of a hearing? I support PM Harper in his efforts to make sure the meetings are not dominated by groups that their main purpose to to go against everything that creates jobs. (Professional protesters) Ever been to a union meeting where this has happened? Ever been on a board where a handful of the membership of an organization decide to run out the existing board or stack the meeting to make sure an issue does or does not go ahead? We all need to be aware of these tactics and make sure true democracy and true representation is the focus.

Posted by: criminalmind on January 8 2012 9:30 AM

“BEIJING — Capital International Airport in Beijing was forced to cancel hundreds of flights on Monday because of heavy smog and weather conditions. The cancellations were the latest sign that pollution in China’s largest cities, among the worst in the world, is leading to significant economic losses.

Love hearing > economic losses < to these corporations. It is just great news but unfortunately not enough yet. It is terrible this has to happen at the cost of the enviroment but it MUST happen now. These corporate pigs MUST be deprived of sources of income by BOYCOTT. ANY ITEM from china???? BOYCOTT. Simply leave it on the shelf. Show your contempt for these corporate pigs with your wallet. Refuse to buy anything MADE IN CHINA. It is them what are beehind this pipe and they need to be stopped. Only way to do it is with your wallets. We CAN make chineese factories CLOSE if we DO NOT BUY their items. Do it today for your country, your job, your own pride. At least try it for a while. If YOU do nothing then they is just gonna steam roller us so what's to loose?
BOYCOTT.

What amazes me, dolts who think making oil companies filthy rich will improve their life, it won`t..

And the even bigger fools who think Governments will have money to spend if this project hoes through..

Suncor paid zero tax in decades, General electric hasn`t paid tax in decades, loophole, tax write offs and corrupt Conservative Governments.

definately the formaldehyde…Walking Prince George braindead

Stumps, cement blocks, rubber tires, popsicle sticks.

Que sera sera, whatever will be will be, where`s my flute, let me lead you to the cliff…

Now jump!

This oil will go through Kitimat, Vancouver, or South through the USA to Texas. Push comes to shove some of it will move via Rail Car., The Kitimat option is probably the cheapest, so they will try that first. The threat of sending the oil to China will spur the USA to allow it to go through the US.

Canadians may control the ground this oil moves over, however I suspect that most of the oil is owned by those who are developing it, and that would be the Americans, and British.

So one way or the other the oil will be sold to someone. In simplistic terms the world cannot (at this time) operate without oil or gas.

One good thing about Nathan Cullen is that he is an NDPer, and therefore will never form the Government in Canada. The NDP is nothing more than a group of people looking after their own self interests, the same as any other political party.

The majority of people in the Pacific Northwest are either Government workers, or on some form of Government assistance. The whole bloody population would be less than 400,000 people from Cache Creek, to Ft St John, to Pr Rupert, and all points in between. We seem to think that we are big players on the world stage, when in fact most of the world doesnt know we exist.

Prince Ruperts efforts to attract tourists could be described as feeble at best, only exceeded by the lackadasical approach by Prince George.

We are like a flea crawling up an elephants leg with rape on its mind. The elephant is not overly concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDeS_mXMnM

China is about to go POP goes the weasel!

Wow. I leave for a little while and now the inmates are running the asylum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enbridge

Sure Enbridge is safe, they only had 804 major pipeline spills in the last few years, really, I mean they learned their lesson after the 804th pipeline spill, what`s 844,000 gallons of crude oil puked into the Kalmazoo river

Read more: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/First+Nations+fear+disastrous+spill+inevitable/5962644/story.html#ixzz1itWYD7gA

“An oil spill from a stranded cargo ship off New Zealand is the country’s worst environmental disaster in decades, the government says.

Officials say 350 tonnes of oil may have leaked from the 775ft (236m) Rena, which ran aground on the Astrolabe Reef off the port of Tauranga on Wednesday.

Bad weather has halted work to pump oil off the ship.

Environment Minister Nick Smith said the situation was going to get “significantly worse” in coming days.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

People are angry that this could have happened on our doorstep”

Jim Kohu Local resident

“This event has come to a stage where it is New Zealand’s most significant maritime environmental disaster,” he told a news briefing in Tauranga.

Mr Smith said the rate at which oil was gushing out of the ship had increased “fivefold” since it ran aground”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15251319

Why is everyone upset with Harper? He is just a puppet for the corpocracy that runs this country. God bless America; our real leaders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enbridge

Sure Enbridge is safe, they only had 804 major pipeline spills in the last few years, really, I mean they learned their lesson after the 804th pipeline spill, what`s 844,000 gallons of crude oil puked into the Kalmazoo river

On CTV’s Question Period (January 8) there is a 5 minute segment “Controversial Twin Pipeline” where Craig Oliver asks very good questions to Natural Resources MP Joe Oliver.

Sure a lot of people getting choked about nothing. natives don’t have a dog in this fight as they are taxpayer funded. The fiberals will be on board as they have given us the biggest dept of any previous government.

Christy Clark is getting the boot from the BC Liberal partym eer, I mean resigning from the BC Fiberals

http://www.theprovince.com/business/Pipe+dreams+split+politicians/5963118/story.html

http://alexgtsakumis.com/2012/01/06/exclusive-breaking-news-seismic-shuffle-to-kick-off-2012-in-the-office-of-premier-christy-clark/

Adios Christy Clucking Clark

criminalmind take a deep breath and relax a little.

Thanks for the link criminalmind. I had considered supporting the BC conservative party next provincial election due to their policy of not taking donations from corporations or unions. Now I read the John Cummings supports the Petro China Gateway project… maybe there will be a good independent I can vote for I don’t know….

criminalmind = eco nazi troll. Shouldn’t you be “occupying” something besides your mom’s basement?

Stumps, cement blocks, rubber tires and popsicle sticks.

How`s the weather in the Tory war-room?

Say hello to Ezra Levant for me.

Funny stuff, those with zero talking points bring up Nazis and hitler..

And of course that makes no sense because Hitler and Nazis ramped up factories, bridge building, airplane factories, the entire German economy boomed under the war drums.

Pathetic, what next?..Woodstock, beetles, free love, peace lovers, socialist, pacifist.

Cheers

It appears that Cullen like the rest of the NDP would prefer to support global terrorism and global warfare rather than supporting Canadians from sharing their bounty of decomposing organics that just had a bath. It is how humans burn oil that causes the most pollution, but the NDP does not want you to stop burning it with antiquated ways because then they cannot raise taxes to feather their nests.

From the article linked by criminalminds:

“That’s why you’ll likely see Enbridge fall under pressure to sweeten the pot, perhaps with some kind of legacy fund for B.C. communities.”

Enbridge Centre for the Performing Arts. Here we come. ;-)

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2012/01/enbridge-will-kill-british-columbia.html