Almost half the homes on First Nations reserves in Canada are mouldy and the high levels of toxins are making people sick, University of Victoria researchers say.

The problem amounts to a national crisis, but, despite a patchwork of programs, little has been done to address underlying problems for two decades, their study concludes.

Conditions on many reserves are deplorable and dangerous, UVic medical anthropologist PeterStephenson, who led the study said in an interview Tuesday. “For small children, it’s disgraceful,” he said. “We haven’t seen any action on this for 15 to 20 years and it’s long overdue.”

http://www.timescolonist.com/business/Mouldy+homes+First+Nations+reserves+national+crisis+UVic+study+says/6046526/story.html

The reason for the houses being in disrepair and falling sort as well as moldy/toxic is because the natives dot care about it, they have no reason to care. They figger if it gets bad enough they will just get another free house. It’s a very sad cycle, and a very dangerous. If they actually cared (and some do care) the houses would be in way better shape, and they would be healthier.

On another note, I saw city crews actually working tonight…I could not believe it. They were actually removing snow from 15th. Wonder if they will keep working through the night…

Gotta agree with sum42guy on this one. If my house is mouldy then its up to me to repair it. Don’t like living on the reserve? Move away and get a good job elsewhere and be responsible for your own health and well being. Don’t just sit around and wait for a government hand out to fix the problem.

Same here. If I was living in a toxic mouldy home, I would want to fix the problem. That would be to me such an embarrassment to be crying the blues about my dirty mouldy home. Get off your but and clean it

It’s called maintenance, why maintain things you are given. Just give me another and see how long that one will last. You’re only as clean as you want to be.

And while we were all complaining the Chief just drove by in a new Cadillac.

It really saddens me when I see and hear the state of our society today. I keep in contact with some life long friends in Van. They mention the violent and disrespecful reactions of people down there. Young telling old where to go and insulting them of their age, physical arguments of who gets the seat on the bus.
Does anyone have ant idea why this is happening?

On a different note a story about smart meters.People I know had their power go out in Pineview sometime last week all of these people have smart meters installed.After waiting for 2 hours and still no power a decision was made to call Hydro. Hydro Rep, replies to the question of “when will our power be restored” The reply “You have no power”?

The following link will take you to a video clip (6 minutes and 19 seconds long) which was taken from a streetcar in Vancouver back in 1907:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjRs3ARo0g

Littlebuds, That’s because it’s not politcally correct to dicipline your kids anymore. Called child abuse when you want to teach manners.

I live in Pineview, have a smart meter and when our power went out I called it in too. The line was so busy I never got through so I went onto the internet through my smartphone and it had already been posted on their site with a time for it to be back on and it was within 20 minutes of their estimate.

One thing I forgot to include and what really got to me is the story in Vernon with the lack of full service stations. Elderly and handicapped people would like to have more full service,the stations replies where, “we would have to hire more people”or “we would not be able to afford more staff”. I realize that the stations are not really owned by suppliers,why is there no humanity in humanity?

I bought the expensive gas last week and now I’m running low again… what ever station drops their price 5-cents this weekend gets my business.

This article is one to consider… IMO.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/can-fluoride-calcify-your-arteries

There is one station in my area (Port Moody) that is completely full service. They charge the same price as all the self-serve joints, and the place is always busy.

I go there whenever I can. I’m fully capable of doing it myself, I just like the idea they are employing staff.

So any of these stations that say they can’t afford full service is complete garbage.

Charles thanks for the link enjoyed many other video’s from when I lived down there.

Bigdog just curious how long was your power out in total.

Eagleone that is some scary sh*t felt it was important enough for me to post on FaceBook

Thanks for the link, Eagleone! Almost every day some more evidence surfaces about sodium fluoride, whether added to toothpaste or to tap water!

Highest rate of intentional water fluoridation in B.C. – in the North.

Highest rate of cancer in B.C – the North!

Strange coincidence, eh?

I’d rather have a cavity than cancer!

The issue with the housing on reserves is that the individuals DO NOT own their houses. It is more like renter/landlord relationship. Very few renters will spend their money to fix problems within their residence, especially if their is little chance of being reimbursed.
The main problem with reserve housing is mainly structural, not simple maintenance. Majority of the housing problems started with the construction, which is sub standard (below code) and when problems arise, the builders will not fix up their mistakes. To get someone that is qualified to fix the housing is very expensive for most of the reserves. All of the money is controlled by the federal government and they have to have the final say in what gets built on a reserve, evenif the band wants to address the housing issue.
A solution to the housing issue is to give ownship to members of the band living on reserve. When someone has ownership of something, they will generally take care of it.

I agree with Thunderboltz. I was astonished at how companies got away with the work on reserve housing. They are paid a premium and a lot of times the work is so shoddy, it is no wonder some of the houses get destroyed. That is not the case in every instance, but definetly in some of them.

Ha Ha- you grumpy guys. I’m in Maui for 10 days!! It’s awesome here- I love it!! Chill out everyone in P.G. Springs coming.

Northern Citizen…..enjoy. The sonami is not supposed to hit Hawaii until later this evening.

Aren’t we PAYING all these federal government employees and their department heads, managers, deputy ministers and ministers to make 100% sure that our taxpayers money is spent properly with quality results on the housing?

It’s time to do some large scale firing, including the honchos and the head honcho who is strutting in the international limelight in Davos, Switzerland!

Of course private ownership of the houses is the answer, to begin with! Only an OWNER will pick up the phone and complain if the house hasn’t been properly repaired by a contractor, even though the job was paid for by the government! Why worry if it’s not YOUR place? How disresepctful of the First Nations people is it when they are NOT trusted enough to be given title to the house and the land it sits on?

Who precisely is in favour to maintain the status quo forever?

Is there noone living on reserves that is capable of building homes? We hear about all of the monies being spent on education. Is it not possible to run some vocational training so that there will be some tradesmen that will build/repair houses on reserves? JMHO

go to gas buddy.com you can find out where you can get the cheepest gas

Your making too much sense PrinceGeorge.

If you were a mill manager who failed year after year you would be fired (probably wouldnt take that long).

If you are a Government bearucrat that fails year after year you are probably a DM by now.

Think thats ridiculous? What does the Government of Canada do well (I would argue that they do, in fact, do some things well). How many bearucrats are lifers? So some of these lifers where, at some point, involved with some of the epic failures. But somehow they are still there, tending to our finances and spending our money.

Recently saw an item on Tv where natives were being trained to build their own homes. Good move.

One reason why there is mold in your home would be that the walls under the wall board have not been covered with vapor barrier and is there any insulation in the walls as well.

To get around the shoddy construction there has to be an inspection of the home as it is being built which probably does not happen.
Cheers

“go to gas buddy.com you can find out where you can get the cheepest gas”

I don’t look for the cheapest gas anymore. My vehicle runs best (better performance, more power, smooth idling) with a gas that has the additives which ensure a clean engine. Chevron is my top choice, Shell comes in as a second choice.

Northern Healths opinion of fluoride in our water.

http://www.northernhealth.ca/YourHealth/PublicHealth/DentalHealth/Fluoridation.aspx

I don’t believe where you buy your gas makes any difference. It’s all pretty much the same price everywhere, so buy gas where you get the most incentives, points, airmiles, cash back, whatever it is that you collect.

To the whiners in Vernon: Why don’t you just use the full service gas stations that are already there? To make a bylaw requiring one third of the pumps full serve is absolutely ridiculous. When the self-serve stations start losing business because nobody uses them then they will change to full-serve. Simple.

Thanks for the great video link of 1907 Vancouver. Did not realize that we used to drive on the left till 1922.

Here’s a fun english as a second language link ….

http://www.engrish.com/page/11

I collect money. Problem is, the gas stations collect the same thing. :-)

Here`s a couple of links to a 4 part documentary series you can choose to believe it or not your choice,but it is Canadian history it will go down as Canadian history and is true…after all it is told by the people that live it..and I`v never asked for a hand out I am full blooded first nations,born and raised off reserve and have probably paid more taxes than most none first nation folks.If you decide to watch this documentary keep an open mind.It`s so easy to say if you dont like it just move…does anyone remember the Holocaust the attempted genocide of Jewish people???(I heard it never happened)

http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/

http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/8thfire/

I wonder what committee of rock scientists came up with the name “Gateway Lodge” for the seniors housing at 20th & Vic. Makes me grin everytime I see it.

Johnny – it can make a difference but not much for most new cars but I can tell you this – after 8 years and 600,000 kms of driving diesel pickups I notice one major difference. For whatever reason Chevron diesel puts my mileage down by a couple of miles per gallon everytime. That’s worked out by me and confirmed by the truck computer. Normally 15L/100 kms. Fill with Chevron and watch it fall to 18L/100 by the end of the tank. I know someone will probably call bs but that is what I have noticed time and time again – can’t explain it though

Sum42 what kind of an idiotic statement is this?
“On another note, I saw city crews actually working tonight…I could not believe it. They were actually removing snow from 15th. Wonder if they will keep working through the night…”

Are you bitching about the crews or the bureaucracy they have to work around?

As for native housing the native bureaucracy themselves would not like their fellow natives to own their own housing because they would then start loosing control of the cash cow.

A main part of the problem with First Nations, is that the Federal Government is still using 19th Century ideology when it comes to First Nations issues, “We the government knows what is best for all First Nations. So listen to us because we know all and you don’t know anything.”
Until this mentality changes in government, nothing will change.

Seamutt I agree with your comment about losing control of money. However, there are absolutely no control/accountability of the money that the federal government gives to the bands. None of this money is subject to audit, unlike any other government department, agency, or group that gets money from the federal government. All they have to do is file their annual statements to INAC. With some bands, they prepare their statements near the deadline and they make up some of the numbers.
There are some bands that can tell you what they had done with every nickel they are given. While others have absolutely no idea where their money is being spent.
Every single Canadian needs to start demanding the federal government to deal with this issue, because this is an absolute embarrassment that we have some areas in Canada that are as bad as some third world countries and then have the Government of Canada lecturing other nations in how they are suppose to treat their citizens as fairly as we treat our citizens.
It will not be easy, but it needs to be done.

not-so-random would just like to say a couple of things. I really do not think that elderly or disabled people in Vernon could be called whiners,I also believe that full service can be offered without a great expense to the station.
And maybe the reply that was posted about being whiners could be part of the crisis concerning are humanity. We are so quick to judge without any consideration of others and maybe we feel that we are deserving of special treatment like those who need it. I put myself in the place of someone in Vernon who maybe cannot walk so well but has to drive to fill a percription or whatever but first has to plan their trip to a service station that is full serve before they go where they have to go. I have driven through Vernon during the day it is not a whole lot of fun.PS I do not live in Vernon but know some that do.

There goes PrinceGeorge flogging his dead horse again. There are a lot of us that believe what our health care professionals tell us about fluoride. Read the link from Dragon’s note above.

I heard there was a petition going around to return the road maintenance to the Dept. of Hightways, out of the private companies.

Does anyone know where this can be accessed?

Duffer, I am sorry if this irritates you, but I am entitled to voice my opinion as much as you are.

And I will keep doing so!

The horse is far from dead! The World Health Organization endorses the use of hexafluorosilicic acid! This is the same organization which fully endorsed the use of mercury/silver amalgam fillings as used by dentists! It claimed that they are harmless! But, just a few short weeks ago it totally withdrew its endorsement and now recommends that the mercury poses a threat to the health of the patient and a danger to the environment! It NOW suggests to the dental profession to use white fillings instead!

What do you say to that???

The same will happen eventually to the intentional fluoridation of drinking water with the man made toxic waste non-pharmaceutical chemical as used in our city!

Better now than later, before more people get to suffer long-term health damage!

Fluoride is freely available in toothpaste and at the dentist office for those who want it!

Drinking it does NOTHING for the teeth except cause fluorosis!

Hang in there Prince George, sooner or later the establishment will wake up and see the danger of intentionally poisoning the City water supply.
metalman.

That video link by Charles:
Wow, people crossing the streets with PURPOSE! Watching out for traffic!
Ah, the days of civility and courtesy.

weaksauce wrote: “I wonder what committee of rock scientists came up with the name “Gateway Lodge” for the seniors housing at 20th & Vic.”

No relation to the Pearly Gates … :-)

It is in or adjacent to the Gateway BIA ….

Littlebuds, we had 2 outages. The first one, Sunday I think, was about 3 hours and there was a large area all the way out to Willow River that was out and then another outage from the wind, Tuesday I think that was 2 hours.

Thanks bigdog

Hey Gus… I get where they got they name from. Good thing it’s not located in the the ‘Final Days BIA’ or the ‘It Won’t Be Long Now BIA’ :-)

PG: “Duffer, I am sorry if this irritates you, but I am entitled to voice my opinion as much as you are.

And I will keep doing so!”

So by continually flogging this issue, are you trying to convince others, or yourself?

I’m still waiting to see a documented local case of someone who was adversely affected by fluoride and treated.

There are also no documented local cases of someone adversely affected by air pollution.

The reason is the same in both cases. The effects build up over a long term and are not readily attributable to the contaminant under scrutiny. One would have to do an epidemiological study which can take up to 20 years, preferably at the same time as one is being done in a control group with similar air problems but no fluoridated water.

I understand that the reason we are told over and over again by scientists who do these studies that PG study would not work is that the population is not large enough to get scientifically significant data. One apparently needs about 100,000 people for that.

Your right JohnnyBelt. I know thousands of people who were born in Prince George, lived here all their lives, and never had any sickness that could (or was) contributed to flouride in water.

They were drinking this water a long time before bottled water ever came along, and most of them are still drinking the water straight from the tap.

When one considers the dangers that lurk in our soft drinks, food, etc; and also the detrimental effects of alcohol and smoking, plus the pollution from cars, and industry, one tends not to get too concerned over some flouride in water, or toothpaste.

I too would like to see a documented case of someone who was adversaly affected by flouride and treated, but I wont hold my breath.

I believe, however, that a significant number of epidemiological studies in other communities do show a relationship with fluoridated water and elevated symptoms of diseases.

Some people think the jury is in, others feel that it isn’t yet.

Not sure how things work on a native reserve, however it seems to me that if you live on a reserve they will build you a house. The house and property continues to be owned by the native band, however the house is yours as long as you live in it.

So to make an argument that one would not spend any money on a house they did not own is not entirely valid. In addition. If you lived in a house that had some problems that were detrimental to your health, would you not do something to correct the problem??? One would certainly hope so.

There is nothing stopping people on the reserves from moving into the Citys,. and a lot of them do. Those who remain do so because of the benefits they get on the reserve that are not available off reserve. Which would be little of no house taxes, no sales taxes, etc; etc;.

This problem is much more complex than it appears on the surface.

The so called **White Race** took thousands of years to get to where they are to-day, but somehow they feel that the natives should be able to make this transition in 150 years of so. Rather a stupid assumption I would say.

White people under the rule of the elite in Europe lived in squalid shit holes for thousands of years. They are the last people who should be giving advice. There history shows without a doubt that they are very slow learners.

Reverend…

gus: “There are also no documented local cases of someone adversely affected by air pollution.

The reason is the same in both cases. The effects build up over a long term and are not readily attributable to the contaminant under scrutiny.”

So what you’re saying is: There are a variety of things which we come into contact with which may or may not affect our health over a long period of time.

” Don’t take life so seriously,because no one gets out alive” Bugs Bunny.

Exactly JohnnyBelt.

When I cut myself with a chainsaw, it is an acute injury to my body. In other words, due to a simple, single event where the cause and consequence are readily observable.

You can try it with 10 people, with 100 people 10,000 people, they should all be able to say “by golly, that thing is bloody dangerous”.

When I get white knuckle disease it is a chronic injury. It happens over a period of time with a repeated event, in many cases not even noticeable until it is too late. Essentially the vibration of handheld machines such as chainsaws damages blood vessels over a period of time. Not only that, but the effect is not universal. When one takes 100 chainsaw users, some will get it, others will not.

With today’s attention on health, and considerably improved ability to deal with acute trauma, more and more people are spending time exploring chronic impacts on our health. The degree of certainty is very much reduced.

I find that people who are into dividing issues into black and white because they would otherwise go crazy have a major problem facing the lack of certainty presented by such issues.

So, bring the possible effects of fluoride to a large population of people.
1. Any “injuries” would be chronic.
2. Some people would get an injury/disease, others would not.
3. Some people may get that injury/disease from the fluoride, others will get it from other causes. Kidney disease, as an example, could be caused by many factors.

In other words, back to the degree of certainty. Pretty darn low comapared to cutting yourself with a chainsaw. Too many possible contributing factors.

If you consider that people live almost twice as long now than they did 100 years ago, then you would have to take the effects of flouride and determine what its impact would be on the overall life span of people who drink it against the overall life span of those who do not.

My guess is that if the survey was done right, there would be absolutely no difference. It would not surprise me if in fact the people who drink flouridated water actually live longer that those who dont.

This whole fluoridated water issue is a tempest in a teapot. Surely we have more important things to think about like.

*How long is a piece of string*
*Do Chickens Pee?*
*What came first the Chicken or the Egg*
*Do lemmings really commit suicide*
*Why is popcorn so expensive in theatres*
*Is the statement (An honest Politician) an oxymoron?*

Have a nice day.

Hey, it’s the weekend coming upo shortly. And along with it is a snow warning of 10 to 20 cm overnight to tomorrow afternoon.

The frequency of snowfalls on Fridays and Saturdays, when City crews are into overtime and are rarely called out to plow is scary.

Hey, did you know that people who drink and smoke live to be 100+ …

oops, forgot the “some” in the sentence.

You bet Gus. One was Granny Seymour who spent most of her life in a tent, smoked a pipe, and was known to have the occasional nip.

She lived to be 114 years old, and died in 1966, and was a big part of the history of Prince George. **Look that up in your search engine**

“So what you’re saying is: There are a variety of things which we come into contact with which may or may not affect our health over a long period of time.”

If one wants to see visible effects of sodium fluoride on humans, please google dental fluorosis, caused by sodium fluoride.

Don’t take my word for it.

New research reveals a startling new finding: fluoride is likely contributing to the epidemic of cardiovascular disease by stimulating calcification of the vascular system, including the coronary arteries.
In a study published in the journal Nuclear Medicine Communications this month (Jan. 2012), researchers assessed fluoride uptake and calcification in the major arteries of 61 patients who were administered sodium fluoride, the active ingredient in most fluoridated toothpastes. The study revealed:
“The coronary fluoride uptake value in patients with cardiovascular events was
significantly higher than in patients without cardiovascular events.”
They also found that there was a signification correlation between fluoride uptake and calcification observed in most of the arterial walls, indicating that the fluoride itself likely stimulates the precipitation of calcium within the arteries.
It is already well-known that vascular calcification is highly correlated with
cardiovascular disease mortality. The hardening of the arteries associated with
atherosclerosis is in part due to the calcification of plaque which subsequently becomes brittle and susceptible to breaking off into an artery-obstructing clot.
Even taking elemental calcium supplements (sourced from limestone, bone meal or
oyster shell), at doses as low* as 500 mg a day, was shown in two meta-analyses last
year to increase the risk of heart attack by up to 27%.
What is novel about this new study is that it indicates how cardiovascular calcification may be occurring. Beyond the excessive consumption of inorganic calcium, fluoride may be an essential factor in mediating calcium’s contribution to enhanced cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. Fluoride exposure is now ubiquitous, thanks to the fluoridation of public drinking water, medications like Prozac (fluoxetine), non-stick cookware, to name but a few common routes of exposure.
Fluoride-induced calcification is not a new finding. Back in 2001, autopsies on cadavers revealed that fluoride accumulation in the pineal gland is associated with enhanced calcification of that endocrine organ.
GreenMedInfo.com contains research on natural substances which may attenuate
Fluoride Toxicity and Ectopic Calcification.

Surely we have more important things to think about like.

*How long is a piece of string*
*Do Chickens Pee?*
*What came first the Chicken or the Egg*
*Do lemmings really commit suicide*
*Why is popcorn so expensive in theatres*
*Is the statement (An honest Politician) an oxymoron?*

Thank you for the attempt at humour Palupo – it was a complete failure but it is nice to know you are not the robot we have all come to know and like. ;-)

Have a great weekend everyone – the flouride and the taxes will be there Monday!

I appreciate your matter-of-fact response gus, but my point was kind of tongue in cheek.

PG: “If one wants to see visible effects of sodium fluoride on humans, please google dental fluorosis, caused by sodium fluoride.”

Google is great for finding websites that support your point of view, no matter how ‘out there’ they might be.

Is there an outbreak of dental fluorosis in PG that hasn’t been reported? You would think there would be tons of cases, since we put fluoride in the water and all.

Now if Granny Seymour lived to 114 years and smoked, how long would she have lived if she didn’t smoke?

Just a little curiosity – :)

To change the subject a bit. Is there anyway we could set up a “core review” pool? How much is this going to actually cost? Looks like $350,000 might not be enough.

If she had not smoked, she would have been miserable and died at 57. Happy people live longer.

So, the average lifespan of people posting on Opinion 250 is less than the average of the general population.

The whole idea of shutting down grow ops is to make sure people do not live too long because MSP would cost a fortune. ;-)

“Is there an outbreak of dental fluorosis in PG that hasn’t been reported?”

Ask the dental hygiene department at CNC. They would teach such things and may have quicker access to such studies and might have more interest in it than individual dentists. And more time as well.

Forget what I just wrote. I thiink this makes it clear what their official position might be. Perhaps a few studetns, and perhaps even an instructor might not share the official position.

[ur]http://www.cdha.ca/AM/Template.cfm?Section=News_and_Events&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=10844[url]

Is it any wonder cities stay with the status quo.

http://www.cdha.ca/AM/Template.cfm?Section=News_and_Events&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=10844

I looked Granny Seymour up in my search engine not that long after I moved to PG. I love characters like her.

Of course my search engine was a bit slower in those days. ;-)

My daughter’s sketch of her (taken from common pictures of “Granny”) is in the PG booklet on street names.

I still like to discuss “how many angels can dance on the head of a needle”.

Very metaphysical. :-)

I have been able to argue as many as 1,372. There is someone in Belgium who I believe was able to convince people the number is acutally more like 3,038.

Unbelievable!!!!

Canadian household credit statistics up to the end of Dec. 2011

http://credit.bank-banque-canada.ca/householdcredit

For all you big oil bashers and their so called obscene profits, though a 10% return on 100 billion operating costs in one year, does not seem obscene to me, how about this. Apple made a profit of 13 billion in just 3 months. How do feel about your overpriced Apple toys now?

*How long is a piece of string*
~depends which system you use to measure it.

*Do Chickens Pee?*
~no.

*What came first the Chicken or the Egg*
~an example of a dynamic process which has neither beginning nor end so long as there are both chickens and eggs.

*Do lemmings really commit suicide*
~yes.

*Why is popcorn so expensive in theatres*
~theatres must recover all the costs of its provision, clean-up of the mess when you spill it all over their property, and make a profit if it’s going to be worth their while to provide popcorn.

*Is the statement (An honest Politician) an oxymoron?*
~probably.

And for once I agree with Prince George. (The guy who posts here, not the City.) Fluoridation of public water has far greater risks to public health than any supposed benefit. There is no valid reason for continuing that kind of mass-medication in our modern times in any country where proper nutrition that prevents tooth decay is both available and affordable.

I still like to discuss “how many angels can dance on the head of a needle”.
~ as many who feel they need to get Holy feet.

“Fluoridation of public water has far greater risks to public health than any supposed benefit. There is no valid reason for continuing that kind of mass-medication in our modern times in any country where proper nutrition that prevents tooth decay is both available and affordable.”

Great comment! Daily flossing, brushing after meals with a toothpaste of your choice and perhaps an annual topical application of pharmaceutical grade fluoride after dental cleaning at the dentist clinic is the proper way to look after your teeth!

Drinking sodium fluoridated water and showering with it does NOTHING for the teeth!

There is no mass outbreak of fluorosis in Prince George, but ask any of the many teenager that have fluorosis if they are happy having mottled and stained teeth!

I may be mistaken, Prince George, but I believe much of the impetus to fluoridate public water supplies came to the fore in Britain in the 1930’s due to primarily to malnutrition there.

Where many of the working class there at that time could not afford to buy milk for their kids, and the lack of calcium in their diet led to a high incidence of tooth decay and tooth loss as those kids approached adulthood.

Of course the industries that produced fluorine as a waste by-product, (and one that was a costly nuisance to dispose of, too, even in those largely pollution unconscious days), were only too anxious to encourage what was seen as a cheap way to mass-medicate the population against rampant tooth decay. And turn what had been an expense into a source of profit.

The idea spread from there to here.

We are certainly not short of milk in this country, and never have been. And even today’s version of what passes for milk after most of the components naturally found in it have been removed, still contains calcium. And that, along with proper personal dental care is a far superior way of guarding against tooth decay than slowly poisoning people with fluoridated water.

If your municipal government is so anxious to cut costs in these times of restricted revenues, what better way than to end this outdated, and, on balance, harmful, practice of adding fluorine to public water?

“We are certainly not short of milk in this country, and never have been. And even today’s version of what passes for milk after most of the components naturally found in it have been removed, still contains calcium.”

Milk is for cows, baby cows so next time you grab that glass of milk think about that big hairy teet it came out of! Yum.

Mottled teeth go well with lip jewelry, stone washed and pre-torn jeans hung low with butt crack showing …..

17 more posts and we’ll make 100 … think positive .. has 100 ever been achieved?

So this is what dental fluorosis looks like – the white streaks to the left of centre.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/MildFluorosis02-24-09.jpg

Gus, your wiki link shows a very mild case of dental fluorosis. I have images that are ten times worse looking!

About 3,500 dental and medical professionals and scientists have signed a petition asking for a discontinuation of fluoridation altogether.

When West Germany (no fluoridation) and East Germany (state mandated fluoridation) re-united the fluoridation of the East German area was discontinued in 1990.

No increase in dental caries has been observed in the former citizens of East Germany since then. If anything, because of the better dental care they have been enjoying since then, their overall dental health has improved.

Together with their liberation from an oppressive one-party government they also gained another freedom: The freedom to have unmedicated water and to choose to brush their teeth with fluoride toothpaste or natural organic fluoride free toothpaste!

The end of another Firday Free For All. Did not achieve 100 posts :-(

This one will make 87.