I agree with the initiative vote. I think anytime we have a potential hazard to our health forced on us that it changes an expected right and should at minimum be voted on by the public, rather than forced upon society by a bureaucracy with unpure motives.

Floride is another issue that should be voted on by referendum if our elected officials will not recognize the dangers.

IMHO

Its all about money.. BC Hydro is lying if they say there is any other reason. They can now use the new Tier 1 Teir 2 charging scam. They say its for grow ops and outages but please..how stupid do they think we are.

Can’t wait to get my smartmeter.
Get over it folks.

Bit late now, most houses have them. Are they really going to put the old ones back… Doubt that..

Smart meters or Site C dam? I’ll take the smart meters… which would you chose?

The vocal minority speaks again.

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

A $1-billion waste of money, taxpayers picking up an enormous tab — for no benefit to them – and BC Liberal friends getting big contracts and smart meters are the dumbest idea yet from a government full of them. Smart meters will cost us $930 million up front, not reduce energy usage, not save the environment.

But what is certain is that smart meters are already benefitting a select group of BC Liberal Party-connected insiders who have been awarded lucrative smart meter contracts with BC Hydro.

Would anyone really expect the liberals to consult the public on anything before acting.
Remember the read my lips 500 million budget deficit that ended up to be 2 billion, the HST, the sale of the BCR.

Expecting the liberals to be concerned for Joe citizen taxpayer is a stretch.

Thank you for mentioning fluoride again!

“The mutagenicity* of fluoride supports the
conclusion that fluoride is a probable
human carcinogen. An important
toxicologic consideration is that a toxic
substance stores at the same place it exerts its toxic activity.”
Dr. William Marcus, Environmental Protection Agency Scientist

Prince George adds sodium fluoride to our
tap water – not natural calcium fluoride!
Sodium fluoride (hexafluorosilicic acid) is
an impure waste by-product of industry,
polluted with lead, mercury and arsenic.

* A mutagen is a physical or chemical agent that changes the genetic material, usually DNA of an organism and thus increases the frequency of mutations above the natural background level. As many mutations cause cancer, mutagens are therefore also likely to be carcinogens.

“Floride is another issue that should be voted on by referendum if our elected officials will not recognize the dangers.”

Actually, the city of Prince George NEVER had a fluoridation referendum! The leagl requirement to have a referendum was side stepped by Ramsey and Boone helping Kinsley to have a special act passed in Victoria. Therefore, NO referendum is required to turn the fluoridation off!

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”

Thank you!

The big selling feature used for these meters is that Hydro will know when the power goes out and they will be able to respond faster. The response time I agree may be quicker but the time to restore the power will take as long as it takes.
I had contact with anothe rposter a few days ago when i told the story of power going off in Pine View, some I know who live out there called Hydro after two hours of no power and the reply was “You have no Power”. The other story was that there where two times when the pwer went off one for two hours and the other for three, I ask you this could it really be possible that those times would have been shorter because of a smart meter. It appears to me that this system has a few bugs.

PrinceGeorge there is a question that I have about this fluoride issue that I hope you may have the answer to. Who gets paid to supply the fluoride and who pays for it. Is there a contract between the city and who ever supplies this stuff or does the Prov Government just supply it. Forgive my naive attitude but i seems to me that this could be a line of protest if it costing us money.

More Waste of Money, The other Day Hydro hang a Transformer and Receiver Transmitter on a Pole halve Way up our Road, yes this will act as the Hub for our Area , if Hydro wanted to do without Meter Readers, we could have done it like in Manitoba, you read you own Meter and Phone the Readings in, a 1 Billion Saving but this is BC and you know what BC stands for.

A smart meter only works where there is cell coverage. Hydro may know of an outage faster but will response time change, same manpower?

Rather have smart meters than sit c, where did that come from? Site c has to be built to cover generation shortfalls from the independent power producers to which Hydro was forced to sign multi-billion dollar contracts by the fiberals. It is these contracts that is driving up your hydro bill. Same thing happening in Ontario. Don’t want site c then build 4th generation nuclear.

If we’re concerned about smart meters we should also be concerned about cell phones and wireless internet signals as well. Where’s the lobby to get rid of those?

Supposed to of had my Meter changed a week ago-Hydro still hase not showed up.
So we know at least one thing is not faster

Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream? Children’s ice cream!

Littlebuds, The City of Prince George buys it from a supplier in Edmonton. The cost to the city is approximately $80,000 per year, as told to me. It is trucked in by tanker truck as a hazardous material transport.

It is the most reactive corrosive compound in chemistry and it must be handled with the utmost caution. It is usually sold by the fertilizer industry. Fluorine gas cannot be allowed to escape to the air, so the exhausts are wet scrubbed and sold. It is very convenient for the industry to sell it because it cannot be dumped in landfill or into a river or lake.

It is of industrial grade, usually polluted with traces of lead, mercury and arsenic.

The fluoride in toothpaste and dental use is supposedly of pharmaceutical grade.

Williams Lake recently discontinued fluoridation after considering the latest scientific research evidence and also the cost to Williams Lake of close to $100,000 annually.

The City of Prince George pays for the hexafluorosilicic acid (fluoride) and the maintenance of the equipment, plus some man hours.

The fact that the city paid over half a million dollars about ten years ago for a brand new fluoridation system may (just a guess) have something to do with the reluctance and unwillingness to re-visit the fluoridation issue.

Moncton discontinued fluoridation recently after engaging the citizens for input and the mayor and council examining all available pro and contra evidence. They also invited the Health authorities and dental profession to participate in a debate, but these people declined, taking (imho) a very arrogant and dismissive attitude, namely that discussing the fluoride issue would actually give it a credibility it does not (in their opinion, perhaps) deserve.

The province is 97% fluoridation free already! Prince George belongs to the remaining 3% which still *medicates* the water.

Are the 97% disadvantaged in any way? Of course not!

Chlorination is a method to treat water. Fluoridation is a method to medicate PEOPLE, not water!

It must be stopped so every person can have a choice!

PrinceGeorge, which “health food” store do you own?

JohnnyBelt, we have opportunity to choose either to use or not the cell phone and internet services, for smart meters we are forced to use it.

Duffer, the answer is: I don’t own one! What exactly does your question have to do with the intentional medication of our city water?

“…for smart meters we are forced to use it.”

Ditto for the polluted water! Ever tried showering with the cold water from a 5 gallon purified water jug???

It is very sad, but I try not to drink too much water because of the flouride in it. Water is a must, but to drink something with this crap in it makes me sick. I do wonder if the bottles water is better though or not?

“JohnnyBelt, we have opportunity to choose either to use or not the cell phone and internet services, for smart meters we are forced to use it.”

Just because you don’t use a cell phone or wireless internet doesn’t mean you’re not exposed to the frequencies some believe are harmful. Smart meters are a drop in the bucket compared to those sources.

PG, I seem to remember in one of your rants that you can buy fluoride pills or whatever in stores if you want, so I just thought you might own one.

Thanks PG more tham I expected but good to know

Even the dentist office gives you the choice if you would like a flouride rinse after you get a cleaning.

We have the rite too choose and dentists are respecting that rite.
Just had another thought, if the city is paying for it then really we are paying for it. I wonder if the city has signed a long term contract with this Edmonton supplier. Might be some thing worth to find out

You deserve to let the people decide in a referemdum on fluoridation.

Interestingly, the politicians often align with the big money side where these industries sell their toxic waste fluoride to commuinties. Most people now know their health will be sacrificed with fluoridation. That is why promoters lose about 80% of all elections held worldwide.
Someday soon people will look back on this outdated practice and wonder how we ever decided to dump this toxic waste fluoride into our drinking water.

See (www.fluoridealert.org ) for the scientific information.
Read the truth produced in the best scientific information on fluoridation here: (www.fluoridealert.org). You will see a petition signed by almost 4000 professionals, including hundreds of dentists, hundreds of doctors, and other medical researchers calling on governments everywhere to stop fluoridation.

There are many large scientific studies there to show that drinking fluoridated water has no positive effect on cavity reduction and to show that it causes cancer, thyroid damage, broken hips from brittle bones, lowered IQ and other health problems.

what’s the connection Fluoride and Smartmeters, I don’t get it, is this someone Pet?

Outwest: “what’s the connection Fluoride and Smartmeters”

Answer: Nothing. PG likes to spam any thread he can with his favourite subject.

“Smart meters are a drop in the bucket compared to those sources.”

Unfortunately that is true!

JB, seems like you delight in calling others who have different opinions from yours *spammers.*

Back to the fluoride. I wholeheartedly agree with jwillie6!

Duffer, healthfood stores don’t sell sodium fluoride pills. Some pharmacies do. They also sell fluoridated toothpaste, for those who want it. It’s everywhere so it does not have to be added to water in the form of hexafluorosilicic acid!

http://www.fluoridealert.org

“You will see a petition signed by almost 4000 professionals, including hundreds of dentists, hundreds of doctors, and other medical researchers calling on governments everywhere to stop fluoridation.”

That’s NOT spam!

Some day soon we will have clean water coming out of our taps!

You deserve to let the people decide in a referemdum on fluoridation.

Interestingly, the politicians often align with the big money side where these industries sell their toxic waste fluoride to commuinties. Most people now know their health will be sacrificed with fluoridation. That is why promoters lose about 80% of all elections held worldwide.
Someday soon people will look back on this outdated practice and wonder how we ever decided to dump this toxic waste fluoride into our drinking water.

See (www.fluoridealert.org ) for the scientific information.
Read the truth produced in the best scientific information on fluoridation here: (www.fluoridealert.org). You will see a petition signed by almost 4000 professionals, including hundreds of dentists, hundreds of doctors, and other medical researchers calling on governments everywhere to stop fluoridation.

There are many large scientific studies there to show that drinking fluoridated water has no positive effect on cavity reduction and to show that it causes cancer, thyroid damage, broken hips from brittle bones, lowered IQ and other health problems.

Fluoridation is a Waste of Tax Money

Even if fluoride was helpful to teeth, distributing any drug in drinking water is the most expensive and wasteful method. As a Civil Engineer, I know that people drink only 1/2% (one-half percent) of the water they use. The remaining 99 ½ % of the water with this toxic fluoride chemical (Hexafluorosilicic acid, which is waste material flushed directly from industrial smokestacks) is dumped directly into the environment through the sewer system. The company CEO would be arrested if they dumped this toxic waste into a river. The only way they can do it legally is to run it through the community water systerm first.

For example, for every $1000 of fluoride chemical added to water, $995 would be directly wasted down the drain in toilets, showers, dishwashers, etc., $5 would be consumed in water by the people, and less than $0.50 (fifty cents) would be consumed by children, the target group for this outdated practice.

That would be comparable to buying one gallon of milk, using six-and-one-half drops of it, and pouring the rest of the gallon in the sink.

Fluoridation surely is in contention as the most wasteful government program. Giving away fluoride tablets free to anyone who wants them would be far cheaper and certainly more ethical, because then we would have the freedom to choose which prescription drug we take.

Some important articles to read if you truly want to be informed about smart meters:

The problems with Smart Grids by B. Blake Levitt and Chellis Glendinning – Energy Bulletin – March 18, 2011:
– http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-03-23/problems-smart-grids

UN Agenda 21, Sustainable Development Power and Control: Smart Meters and your Health by Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh – Canada Free Press – October 03, 2011:
– http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40922

Getting a read on smart meters by Rob Wipond – Focus – September 2011:
– http://focusonline.ca/?q=node/260

[BC] Dispatches from the urban meter wars by Rob Wipond – Focus Online – November 2011:
– http://www.focusonline.ca/?q=node/283

Greek Researchers Show Crucial Regions of the Brain Related to Learning, Memory, Alzheimer’s Impacted by Whole Body EMF Exposure in Animals – Electromagnetic Health.org – January 25, 2012:
– http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/mice-proteome/

The American Academy of Environmental Medicine has submitted a letter calling for a halt to wireless smart meters on January 19, 2012:
http://electromagnetichealth.org/electromagnetic-health-blog/halt-smart-meters/
or
– http://aaemonline.org/images/CaliforniaPublicUtilitiesCommission.pdf

Health Risks Associated With SmartMeters by Poki Stewart Namkung, M.D., M.P.H., Health Officer, Public Health Division, County of Santa Cruz, Health Services Agency, California, USA – January 13, 2012:
Santa Cruz County, California, US Website:
– http://sccounty01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us/bds/Govstream/BDSvData/non_legacy/agendas/2012/20120124/PDF/041.pdf
or
Public health official report on smart meters – EMF Safety Network – January 19, 2012: – http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?p=6959

Electromagnetic hypersensitivity: Fact or fiction? by Stephen J. Genuis/Christopher T. Lipp – University of Alberta/Faculty of Medicine-University of Calgary – Science of the Total Environment – November 2011:
– http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=1860558745&_sort=r&_st=13&view=c&_acct=C000228598&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=04d50fd3b07218295773a880341e9bfd&searchtype=a

Cyber-security of power grid in ‘near chaos,’ report says by Ian MacLeod – The Ottawa Citizen – Novembr 15, 2011:
– http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Cyber+security+power+grid+near+chaos+report+says/5715327/story.html

The Mix: Cyber-terrorism’s Threat by Thalia Assuras – energyNOW! – August 14, 2011:
– http://www.energynow.com/video/2011/08/15/mix-cyber-terrorisms-threat
(Anchor Thalia Assuras talks with former CIA Director James Woolsey about the security measures being used to counter the threat and how smart grid technology could make the country more susceptible to attack.)
&
The Mix: Cyber-terrorism’s Threat by energynownews – YouTube – August 16, 2011:
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lF3eywqD-I

Smart Grid Privacy and Security Risks Loom for Agencies by Dan Verton – Aol energy – August 05, 2011:
– energy.aol.com/2011/08/05/smart-grid-privacy-and-security-risks-loom-for-agencies/

Black Hat: Water Smart Meters Vulnerable Too by Stefanie Hoffman – CRN – August 03, 2011:
– http://www.crn.com/news/security/231300172/black-hat-water-smart-meters-vulnerable-to-attack.htm;jsessionid=lFPsFu96jc8GWtChf4fIiQ**.ecappj03

Smart Meter Fires and Explosions – EMF Safety Network:
– http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=1280#comments

Damage to Appliances – Stop Smart Meters BC:
– http://www.stopsmartmetersbc.ca/html/?page_id=2613

PG&E’s Big Confession – EMF Safety Network – November 03, 2011:
– http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?p=6030

I did a litle surfing yesterday and this is one of many warnings I came across. Now of coursee this refers to an undilluted form but maybe ask why wold I want to have this flowing through my body.
2.2. Potential Health Effects:
Inhalation
– Inhalation of vapours is irritating to the respiratory system, may cause throat pain and cough.
– Breathing difficulties
– Aspiration may cause pulmonary oedema and pneumonitis.
– At high concentrations, risk of hypocalcemia with nervous problems (tetany) and cardiac arrhythmia.
– Repeated or prolonged exposure: sore throat, Nose bleeding, chronic bronchitis.
Eye contact
– May cause permanent eye injury.
– May cause blindness.
– Intoxication hazards by simultaneous inhalation of the product.
– Symptoms: Burn, Lachrymation, Redness, Swelling of tissue.
Skin contact
– Causes severe burns.
– Risk of shock.
– In case of contact with fingernails, severe pain after several hours.
– Risk of hypocalcemia following the extend of the lesions.
– Intoxication hazards by simultaneous inhalation of the product.
– Symptoms: Irritation, Redness, Swelling of tissue.
Ingestion
– If ingested, severe burns of the mouth and throat, as well as a danger of perforation of the oesophagus and the stomach.
– Risk of throat (o)edema and suffocation.
– Risk of chemical pneumonitis from product inhalation.
– risk of hypocalcemia with nervous problems (tetany) and cardiac arrhythmia.
– Risk of convulsions, loss of consciousness, deep coma and cardiopulmonary arrest.
– Symptoms: Nausea, Bloody vomiting, Abdominal pain, Diarrhoea, Cough, Severe shortness of breath.

During many decades Health Authorities (I don’t know for how long Northern Health has existed) used to NOT object to the following:

Tobacco smoke
Second hand tobacco smoke
Lead in gasoline
Lead in paint
Asbestos in houses and industry
Asbestos brake linings
Pet killing antifreeze
BPA water bottles and lining in cans
DDT insecticide
Mercury/Silver amalgam dental fillings
Smoke from slash burning
Wood smoke from inefficient stoves
Unrestricted use of herbicides on lawns

…etc.

Well, it is NOT o.k. anymore!

Do they ever apologize for not having acted
sooner, with greater caution, to protect the consumers?

No! Of course not!

The same will happen with the issue of intentional doping of tap water with a substance which is NOT THE SAME as the naturally occurring water – the water in NATURE!

Calcium fluoride occurs in Nature! Sodium fluoride is chemically DIFFERENT from calcium fluoride and it is a inustrial waste product, contaminated with lead, mercury and arsenic!

Can’t fool Mother Nature!!!

Topping up one kind of fluoride with a completely different kind of fluoride is like topping up the gasoline tank of your
vehicle with diesel, just because BOTH are hydrocarbon based fuels!

Your engine won’t run. It might even get damaged beyond repair!

Your body may be able to cope with the accumulated sodium fluoride over many years – but, then again, it may NOT!

Why suffer from often unexplainable chronic ailments of one kind or another if sodium fluoride can be ruled out as a suspect by simply NOT doping the water with it anymore?

I hate being forced to be an unwilling participant in a needless undemocratic risky mass experiment.

I’d rather have a cavity than cancer, thyroid disease, kidney disease or brittle bones.

“JB, seems like you delight in calling others who have different opinions from yours *spammers.*”

Oh really. Well, maybe you can tell me what fluoride has to do with smart meters? Right. Nothing.

But take heart, you’re not the only spammer in this thread.

Here we go, this is the connection:

The smart meter is being installed WITHOUT my permission.

The sodium fluoride is being added to my water WITHOUT my permission.

Thanks for bringing up fluoride again! I dearly love to *spam* about it! Ridicule is part of the ultimate outcome: Acceptance!

The growing list of Canadian communities rejecting fluoride in their drinking water:

Moncton, New Brunswick – December 19, 2011
Dieppe, New Brunswick – December 12, 2011
Lake Cowichan, British Columbia – November 19, 2011
Williams Lake, British Columbia – November 19, 2011
Lakeshore, Ontario – October 31, 2011
Churchill, Manitoba – October 16, 2011
Slave Lake, Alberta – September 12, 2011
Taber, Alberta – July 20, 2011
Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan – July 4, 2011
Calgary, Alberta – February 8, 2011
Vercheres, Quebec – February 7, 2011
Athabaska, Alberta – November 1, 2010
Waterloo, St. Jacobs, Elmira, Ontario – October 25, 2010
Gatineau, Quebec – May 5, 2010
Thunder Bay, Ontario – July 21, 2009
Cranberry Portage, Manitoba – January 1, 2009
Drayton Valley, Alberta – December 31, 2008
Dryden, Ontario – April 2008
Quebec City, Quebec – April 1, 2008
Golden, British Columbia – November 19, 2005
Burns Lake, British Columbia – June 25, 2003
Dutton-Dunwich, Ontario – June 2003
West Elgin, Ontario – June 2003
Cobalt, Ontario – December 11, 2001
Kamloops, British Columbia – October 13, 2001
Whitehorse, Yukon – July 28, 1998
Kitimat, British Columbia – March 1998
Kelowna, British Columbia – November 16, 1996
Campbell River, British Columbia – April 1993
Port Hardy, British Columbia – November 1993
Squamish, British Columbia – November 1993
Comox-Courtenay, British Columbia – February 1992……

Given enough information the vast majority of people accept the admonition that fluroridation is harmful, illegal and unethical and that it must be stopped!

Irf please learn to post links that work.

To include links within your comment, enclose the address in and tags. For example: http://www.opinion250.com

The sky is falling.

Lets get rid of those cell towers too as they are bombarding us with radiation. While you’re at it would you please get a group to post how bad solar radiation is and maybe just maybe someone can stop those solar flares.

ooops my copy paste of the instructions didn’t work. To add links to your post read instructions below the “Post comment” button.

As for the not-working links: The person who maintains this website knows how to modify it so that the required bracketed instructions are automatically added as soon as a post is made which includes the typical universal characters which denote a link.

Also, when a user logged out he/she should not encounter a message which states:

Logout.

It should state Logged Out!

www for instance
or http or https
– these are characters which usually precede a link.

It’s a pain to copy paste so very few will go look at those sites.