We need more people to stand up for thjeir belives.
Cheers

Way to go you guys!! If the city thinks its so safe, why are they not using it in their own flowerbeds and parks???

A similar study done on farmland by a university in Ontario, revealed that even two years later, earthworms would not use the ‘treated’ soil, where they WERE in untreated soil right close by.

It just another export we would make money from if we sent it to China!

I must say, that’s an interesting approach that the city took. They send the manager out who does nothing but give the impression that the stuff is unsafe and they also bring along a couple of cops just to remind the residents that they no longer live in a free society.

Thankfully no one had a stapler…

This is **Big Stick** Government.

It is ludicrous to beleive that there is not a solution to this problem that would satisfy everyone.

As I said before. Its time the high paid help at City Hall got off their butts, and came up with some solutions.

Putting this stuff in abandoned open pit mines, would be one solution. Transportation costs might be higher, but at least everyone would be satisfied.

The nearest one would be Endako, or the mine at Kemess North.

Maybe burning it at Lakeland is a solution who knows?? Lets look at some options.

At the Regional District Landfill on Foothills, the City takes the bio waste (leaves, grass, branches, etc) and grinds it up and turns it into compost. Then they sell it to the general public for us to make flower beds and such.

If this Bio solids waste the City is trying to dump on the Arnett Farm is such great stuff, why don’t they sell it as compost? Why doesn’t the City tell us how much they are being paid by the Arnett Farm to have this bio waste brought out there?

I believe that the City is actually paying the Arnett Farm to take this crap. Why else would they (the Arnett Farm owners) put themselves through all this. Doesn’t seem very neighbourly do it?

Why is it that the cops are always on the side of politicians and city hall, as if it is politicians and city hall who are thier bosses. When did the citizens become just a nusance to have to deal with. Why aren’t the cops upholding the rights of citizens to have the right to get answers to something they are concerned about. Why aren’t the cops telling the city if they are contaminating these peoples water or making the place intolerable because of the stench, that they could be held liable, instead of always threatening citizens? Free? Only if it suits the bureaucrats.

The reason they don’t use it in the city is it stinks and they don’t want to worry about kids rolling around on grass that has been treated with this shit.

Too bad their rights and concerns are being ignored or trampled on! Hopefully they wiil get respect!

Reminds me of the everlasting controversy about treating our tap water with a chemical called hexafluorosilicic acid, pretending that it is the same as naturally occurring calcium fluoride!

97% of the province is fluoride addition free! PG belongs to the last 3% of stubborn hold-out, all in the jurisdiction of Norhern Health, of course!

Clean water, clean air, clean soil! The triangle of Life!

Government knows best, it thinks! Where does this stubborn attitude come from?

Prince George residences and people on here cease to amaze me.

Do some research on biosolids.

No they cannot apply it to areas where human contact can occur. It must be in isolated areas with warning signs. Bacteria and viruses are still alive and active (the main issue), and why human contact cannot occur.

Applying Biosolids has remarkable similarities to installing on-site sewage systems such as septic fields or lagoons.

ever wonder why that septic field is 2ft below the surface or that lagoon has a non-climbable fence?

“When did the citizens become just a nusance to have to deal with.”

It’s nothing new, but here it seems to be getting a lot worse lately, in my opinion!

NOTHING will get them to listen or, Heaven Forbid, even change their minds!

if you want to use it as a fertizer… ask the mayor and council to SPEND some of your tax dollars to get the bio-solids upgraded to a higher quality which contains a lot less bacteria/viruses.

OH right… the citizens want to cut back and no tax raises.

Can’t have them both.

That section of the Criminal Code wasn’t mentioned anywhere when natives blocked the road in Fort. St. James. Glad to see we live in an area of such equality, good to see people being treated the same, regardless of race. Pffffff.

Howrd_B_Stern — thumbs up

Dyer you did not answer the question about putting it in your back yard. Come on dude man up.

Going to bring out the *experts* now that is comforting.

Question, so the city has jurisdiction outside city limits without the tax base?

Dyer doesn’t want it in his backyard. Nobody does!

I wish that there were responsible politics these days… why make our problem someone else’s? There has to be a better way! Anyone know of one?

I stand with the residents. They shouldn’t have to accept a bio-solids waste dump so near to their homes. Legal or not, it is BS.

well said everyone… and on another small note… sheep cannot graze on fields that have this product spread on them, and sheep thrive on way less quality then cows.

northern niki, you CANNOT apply biosolids in the city.

human contact to the biosolids is the issue.

No one wants the biosolids, becouse idiots are spreading FALSE infomation as FACT.

hen how about you enlighten us “IDIOTS”to your version of the truth talsnic.

“Why is it that the cops are always on the side of politicians and city hall”

In this case a restraining order or similar was gotten by the City. The City has the money to do this since they use the money of taxpayers.

The local people could get a similar retraining order, but they have to pay for it themselves.

This is where they would have to try to get the assistance of Wesst Coast Environmental Law if they can.

http://www.wcel.org

You cannot blame the area residents questioning the safety of their water supply. Unlike city dwellers they do not have the benefit of daily water testing.

To a certain extent bacteria can be filtered out as it makes its way to the water table. The same cannot be said of heavy metals or other contaminants.

The city could throw the Salmon Valley residents a bone and offer free water testing starting with a baseline test taken before any sludge is dumped.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034546_biosolids_fertilizer_human_waste.html

“Biosolids” is newspeak for “human waste”.

Not only is the waste processed, but the words for it are processed.

We sell horse manure, cow manure, etc.

So let’s use some truth in advertising and sell it as human manure.

yes and cows don’t eat paint, drugs bleach what ever goes down drains :)

They will legislate you into submission, only because it would look bad internationally,if they killed you.

They should just incinerate it at the Northwood boiler. Problem solved.

incineration is great… lets breath it.

Where do you get your water? I bet its not surface water.

As part of getting a biosolids permit, a baseline must be taken and is used in the volume of biosolids applied per hectare of land. Its quite the process, no real short cuts.

Sure some of the left over drugs, metals and industrial waste makes its way into the sludge, but it also goes into the Fraser River. Remember its trace amounts.

If you want to be worried about trace items look at Dioxins and Furans. Its found in Pulpmill effluent when the operators dont quite have the system working “ideally”. D&F are a carcinogen at parts per billion.

Good thing your city water comes from the nechako…

talsnic, besides being rude, is making comparisons to installations that are not comparable to this application.
This application is mixing sewer sludge filtered out of the waste stream of an urban area (with all the unknown ingredients that everyone is well aware of) with farmland. In this case, farmland currently or previously used to grow hay and or grain crops.
A septic field is hardly comparable, those are designed to deal with the waste from a household, big difference to the catch all city sewers.
Fencing of lagoons, talsnic, is a requirement to prevent children and little dogs from drowning. You may not know, but the water in a lagoon is relatively harmless, seeing as how the solids settle out in a septic tank before the liquid is allowed to drain to the lagoon, where it is diluted by rainfall, and can evaporate naturally. We have raised domestic ducks and geese on the fenced area around our lagoon, they always have access to the water, they survive just fine. Wild ducks regularly rest for days at a time on our lagoon, never seen one keel over.
If you know anything at all about how waterfowl both wild and domestic behave in a body of water, you would realize that this effluent is harmless to them.
This sludge from the city is a different kettle of fish my friend.
The real danger here is twofold; One, the possibility of heavy rainfall or spring runoff washing the contaminated soil into Alana Creek. Two, the elements from this sludge eventually reaching groundwater sources. Who knows where it would end up when that happens?
metalman.

if you CANNOT apply biosolids in the city.

the residents of Salmon Valley should not have to have it spread on their residentual /rural property
we do not want the smell polution either, or our children coming in contact with the bio solids

So what happened at the meeting this afternoon at the Civic Centre? Anyone know what went on in there? Was the media not invited or allowed in? Just wondering…….

wow metalman.

The only thing I agree on is your last paragraph about runoff. That risk is possible, but given it was permitted by MoE, I would expect that risk has already been accounted for.

If the City and their consultants were so wrong, MoE would not give them a permit.

MoE isnt just a rubber stamp.

It would be interesting to know if this sluge has been treated prior to disposal or has it just taken out of the settling ponds? Has it been tested by an accredited labratory and what does it contain? I would also think the Ministry of Fisheries should be contacted as the run off will end up in a salmon bearing habit.

“If the City and their consultants were so wrong, MoE would not give them a permit.

MoE isnt just a rubber stamp. “

Now that’s funny! Everything’s OK because the government says so. Good grief.

“D&F are a carcinogen at parts per billion.”

Same goes for the hexafluorosilicic acid (fluoride) used to treat our tap water with!

Arsenic, lead, mercury etc are part of the stuff – very few people are concerned about it – it’s only parts per billion….and the government says it’s o.k.!

So it MUST be o.k. just like asbestos used to be!

I still want to know the rest of this story – is the city dumping this on the people or is this farmer purchasing what he considers to be “cheap” fertilizor? Or is the city paying this farm to take it?

Bio solids = everything people flush down their toilets and drains ends up in the sewage treatment plant where the liquid is removed and dumped into the river. Pesticides, Pharmaceuticals, fire retardent, antifreeze, paint, lead, battery acid, arsenic, cadmium, tooth brushes, condoms, and anything you can possibly imagine that people will flush or dump down their drains is what makes up Bio solids. The only real thing about it thats bio is what you deposit in your toilet after a really great meal.
It is used as fertilizer for growing food for livestock. Then we humans get to drink the milk and eat the meat from these Bio livestock. Yummy! The run off leaching into ground water, etc, etc, etc.

But hey what do I know? Maybe we should ask an expert.

Same thing goes for these waste oil fired asphalt plants you see billowing smoke into the atmosphere. Waste oil comes from all sources around the province. It is collected from back alley waste oil collection tanks where once again everything under the sun is dumped into them then is collected for sale to asphalt companies to use as burner fuel. Sure they filter out the solids like spark plugs, radiator caps, earplugs, paintbrushes, fan belts, etc down to a certain micron. But all the liquids that get dumped into those tanks by people that need to get rid of their old half jugs of bleach and paint and battery acid, you name it and it gets burned up, (not efficiently at all either)and pukes out into the air we breathe.

Some people that get to make the rules become very rich from these practices.

Sleep well tonight.

Biosolids does not only contain household discharges, but also what every entity attached to a sewer system discharges into sewage treatment plants: metal plating shops, dry cleaning shops, chemical labs, funeral homes, hospitals, nuclear power plants, paper mills, to name just a few. Hazardous and extremely hazardous industrial waste can legally be discharged into sewage treatment plants. Every year a thousand additional chemical compounds are added to the waste stream. Most of these end up in biosolids–a complex mixture of pathogens, metals, and toxic organics.

Congratulations to the brave souls that are trying to protect not only their health, but also the soil and groundwater of their neighbors.

And beware of industry-funded experts. They get paid to promote biosolids and historically have ignored all data that indicate serious risks to human health, agriculture, and the environment. Instead, get the facts about sludge.