Couldn’t the City use the money they want to spend on the dike on road repairs?

Concrete.

I will be selling road maps to help get around the holes on Domano but don’t know if I can do daily updates.

4 short months ago every candidate running in the municipal election were flapping on about roads.

No kidding seamutt, I am pretty sure i saw a small car in the bottom of one of those holes on Domano.

Could not the stuff in the Ft. Mac. settling ponds be used for asphalt? Just askin’.

Could not the stuff in the Ft. Mac. settling ponds be used for asphalt? Just askin’.

“Superintendent of Operations for the City of Prince George, Bill Gaal, says the City should be spending $7 million a year to keep up with the regular rates of deterioration.”

Thanks for admitting that much! So, every year we are falling behind further, another 3 million dollars’ worth! Plus, the price of asphalt is never going to go down again, only up!

How far are we behind? During Kinsley’s last term a costly study suggested that we are about 60 million dollars behind in road and sidewalk repairs and construction.

Are we going to wait until the gtand total reaches 100 million?

Since we actually did very little catching up, how far behind are we presently?

Pokey ‘puter agin.

Think about your Slogan “We are Potholes” (Winter) we have no Money all spend on Games.

Don’t think the price of oil effects the price of pavement in PG. If they put much oil in the mix the pavement would stand up for more than 2-3 years. Ospika is good example. Me thinks Quality control by the city smells when it comes to pavement.

LOL @ concrete.

Send car repair bills to city hall.

“Superintendent of Operations for the City of Prince George, Bill Gaal, says the City should be spending $7 million a year to keep up with the regular rates of deterioration.”

Again, we seem to have an incomplete story. Is that the perpetual 2012 dollar level of expenditure we need to do 60km lanes of road maintenance for this city given the current amount of roadways we have.

If it is, and we are only able to do half of that, the obvious question is when can we get onto the required schedule so that we do not keep on perpetually slipping backwards even more.

The calculation is simple in this case. If we go like this for 5 years until the end of 2016, we will have fallen short by 150 lane km to the tune of $17.5 million in 2012 dollars.

At the same time, how many new vehicle maintenance services will have sprung up across the city to fix an ever greater number of cars?

What does one have to do to get the full story on these kind of items?

Yuh know, our roads are a disgrace, and the city knows they’re gonna have to dig down deep and replace a lot of gravel underneath the pavement pretty soon. But, on the other hand, I don’t hit very many potholes, simply because I’m not one of so many fools who tend to ride on the tailpipe of the vehicle in front of me, and I pay attention to driving when I’m behind the wheel. See, you can dodge the holes if you see them in time. For them that don’t get it, get off yer cell phone, quit swill’in yer TH, or applying yer lip stuff, and PAY ATTENTION to what yer do’in.
Ahhh, feel much better now……….

Flood city hall with information of where pot holes are located. Once reported if damage to an auto occurs the city is responsible.
Here we go again. Money for dikes we don’t need, money for winter games, money for a building to house city purchasing people, money for a so called heating system, money for buying the PG hotel and demolition, but of course no money for road repair.
Year after year we seem to elect a group of people who are a prime example of the “Peter Principal”. Each person will eventually reach their level of incompenacy.

The condition of Tabor has looked like Ospika for some time. Not surprising since both were developed at about the same time and both carry similar types and probably volumes of traffic.

I noticed that at the moment Tabor is full of not only potholes in the “normal” lane joint locations but also washboard-like dips. Really fun to drive on. NOT!!!!

On the bright side, the city won’t be digging up freshly laid pavement to gain access to the crumbling water and sewer systems :-(

Come on folks, Prince George council is working 24/7 to promote the city’s title, “Pothole Capital of Canada”.

I also heard that someone on the recreation committee was establishing some rules for road golf.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248541/Britains-road-network-multi-million-pound-pothole-pit-winter-ravages-roads.html

February 2010

Britain’s road network in £10billion pothole pit as winter ravages roads

The estimated number of potholes was already at one hole every 120 yards of road before the two icy spells so the problem could take decades to fix.

Approximately 1 pothole per 120 metres of road. Wonder how we would do with that sort of statistic?

Snow golf and now pothole golf. Another 1st for PG. Well on the way to winning once again having our roads voted worst in the Province. To bad it is only a provincial competition for worst roads as PG can compete worldwide.

Strange some person has not grabbed the opportunity for bumper stickers and tee shirts with the slogan, “Prince George, Pothole Capital of Canada”. Certainly would be a big seller.

If the city actually carried out proper maintenance and repaired the potholes and cracks “PROPERLY” we wouldn’t see the disaster we see every year. They refuse to crack seal. Where do they think the potholes start? We see cracksealing material being torn out of the cracks on our streets all year long and they never get repaired. Those in charge of what methods and when our streets get maintained in this city are “INCOMPETENT”.

Time for BCAA to have another worst street contest.

Domano and Ospika will win that one hands down!

I certainly have to agree with Gus concerning the condition of Tabor ….particularly between 5th avenue and 15th avenue…..the only part of Tabor that I regularly use.

It is peppered with potholes and the southbound section is much like a roller coaster.

Earlier today, I decided to avoid Tabor between 5th and 15th completely.

I am making a concerted effort to travel between 5th and 15th by using Ospika, which was renewed last year, rather than Tabor.

It also doesn’t help that the city allows our residential streets to be used as parking lots for heavy trucks.

I think an “adopt a pot hole” program would work. I would adopt one, name him Henery and fill him up!

Things are a bit tight right now financially (with the dyke and all) but at least this pothole problem and road repair thingy can to be addressed by having a study done! Yes, a study! That shouldn’t cost more than 100k, at most! Peanuts!

That will buy more time! The study will be complete and ready for 2013, but too late to put it in action just then because of the still persisting lack of moolah!

So, 2012 and 2013 are already taken care of as far as that nagging matter goes. In late 2014 there will be another election and perhaps a whole complete new council and a new mayor!

You see, with proper long range planning and a bit of luck any problem can be solved, no matter how big!

;-)

Prince George City likes to think they are a big player on the world stage, however when it comes to planning, or fiscal responsibility, or road maintenance, they have no credibility.

We waste our money on bogus projects, that are created for no other reason than to access Federal and Provincial funding, we then match the funds and build the project.

A case in point is the Community Energy System. Im willing to bet that they located a grant for a green project, and then designed a project that would allow them to get the money.

Almost a gaurantee they did the same with the diking of River Road.

Our Mayor and Councillors, and the City Manager need to explain more fully to the taxpayers the rationale behind spending all this money. We are in debt up to our butts, with no relief in sight.

Next we have the huge expenditure for the Winter Games. One of the real benefits from the Winter Games (aside from the perceived benefits bandied about by the City) is the fact that the City for the year 2015 will in fact pave some roads and do some serious patching etc;

They will do this to impress the out of towners, however they will not do it, to impress the taxpayers who pay for it.

Get used to s…ty roads until at least mid summer 2014.

The Mayor and Council of this town should be ashamed of themselves. The new councillors should get off their butts and start to put some pressure on the others, or we will end up with more of the same.

The Citizens of Prince George need to write to the Mayor and Councillors and tell them to get their priorities straight.

If we want to be a **big city** then we need to have our Mayor and Council start to act like we are, and take on some serious responsibility.

I think my name says it all, I’ve been bi+c#!ng for years!! Now I have moved. The roads are like glass in Calgary compared to Pig Gorge!!

Free medical, NO P.S.T, way cheaper fuel, and did I mention roads like glass…., and all I have to smell is the dust from grain!!

TAXINAPOTHOLE

Cheers

and I forgot, Cheap booze…lol

taxi

We could just fill the potholes with biosolids, that should kill two birds with one stone.
Ya ya, taxinapole, we all know the grass is greener once you left.

Wasnt it kinsley who brought this special road tax in? at least they knew our roads needed fixing and made it a priority.

I think every year since then Council has made roads a priority and put more and more into this budget. Well that was until this year.

taxinapothole how did you afford a house in Calgary? I wonder if the savings cover the housing cost? Then again I guess property values there will go up, unlike here in PG.

Now there is a figure, 60 million behind in repairs. Now is not the PAC projected to cost 55m. To bad there is not as much energy put into figuring out funding for infrastructure as in the PAC. But I guess there is no brass plaque with ones name on it in a pothole or on a sewer pipe. I can just imagine the size of the plaque on the PAC.

Where is the wisdom and common sense with our current Mayor and Council? You borrow 3.5 million and take 2.5 million from a reserve fund to build a dike along River Road that will prove useless. If another ice jam flood occurs, tax payers on the North side of the Nechako will get flooded out and have to leave their homes again. Businesses west of the Cameron Street bridge will be flooded out; I mean who is going to benefit?The roads in Prince George are in desperate shape! As a tax payer I would rather see the City borrow the 3.5 million and take the 2.5 million from the reserve fund and start catching up on repairing the roads, before the road beds get so damaged that the cost of repair will be astronomical!

I could live in Airdrie (where I do), or Olds, or anywhere in Alberta, the tax is the same, the fuel is mostly within cents of each town, the medical is free, there is NO P.S.T., no H.S.T (thank Christ), and the booze is cheap! It’s easy seamutt, doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out the LIARBULLS are screwing you folks that remain in B.C. Worse yet, your City Council is screwing you the worst.

They still can’t see a problem with the roads, but they see the need for a bloody dike. A dike that is not needed but once every 50 or so years. They are clueless, the lot of them!

I am at a loss as to how these councilors and mayors keep getting voted into office but you’re right Palopo they should all be ashamed of the kind of job they do for Prince George. I love this city and I’ve lived in Ontario, Manitoba, Newbrunswick, and Yukon. They were all enjoyable places to live, but still my favorite place is Prince George. If we could just vote in a council that gives a damn for the city that has demonstrated its trust in them Prince George could be Utopia!!

Now some will disagree, that’s fine, every dog has his day. I know someone who has lived in the Prince George area for over 80 years. Before the Kenney Dam was built in the early fifties, the Nechako was a mighty river. What we would deem as high water today which happens during spring run off, was low water before the dam. So high water was really high! Since Kenny Dam, the Nechako has turned into a lazy river and when it meets the faster flowing Fraser it slows the Nechako even more, so any silt brought down with the Nechako gets built up near the confluence backing westward, so consequently the river floor must be getting higher. Over the last 50 years or so the floor has lifted and is now at a level that can cause flooding with a high water in late fall with a sudden freeze, that’s what happened at the latest flood. From my humble perspective what needs to be done is lower the floor to probably the Cameron Street Bridge. This can probably be done through dredging or wait till low water during mid summer and get some heavy equipment to push the material from the floor to both the north and south sides of the Nechako, creating a natural dike along with a lower floor. Just an idea..

WOW Cheetos, us old timers have been saying this (on this site) over and over for years. I do believe Ben just mentioned it on one of his recent comments! Nice to see you agree…..

Well I didn’t get a chance to read Ben’s comments on this, but it makes sense, doesn’t it? I only have a grade 12 education, why can’t those engineers at city hall figure that out? No wonder we are in trouble here, Yikes!:(

BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO COMMON $CENTS Cheetos!!

Take the gravel from the Nechako (dredging) and use it to rebuild some of the roadbases (or sell the gravel, save the dike money and use “better than standard” specifications for roads).

Or keep South Ospika full of potholes and use it for the mogul competition in 2015.

The height and pressure of the Fraser controls the inflow of the Nechako – that won’t change if you dredged it 500 feet deep… But what do those experts with their fancy degrees and research know?

It would be nice if the money the city alots to road repair actually went to an efficient way of doing them. The patching crews have been out? Oh, I see the odd hole fixed, one here, another couple over there but no efficient system at all. Not a lot of efficient work put into any of them either. It is not the guys who are doing the work, it is the very poor layout of the work done.

Basingstoke,England has a great way of patching that seems to hold up for quite a while, cut out the asphalt, pour the gravel in, pack it, then patch. Sure seems to work better than slapping more asphalt over sodden wet dirt.
Hey Taxi, come back, we need a few more bent rims, LOL

Interceptor says…”But what do those experts with their fancy degrees and research know?”

Sometimes those experts with their fancy degrees and research can’t think outside the box. Back in the sixties and seventies coming down the old airport hill you could see the clear water of the Nechako merge with the murky waters of the Fraser almost to mid-stream. Today you will notice that the Nechako at the confluence is silted up and backed up. I think it just needs some grooming and perhaps dredged to the east side of the Fraser where the main flow is. If nothing is done, probably every 50 years or so one would need to raise the height of the goofy dike that is being planned because the Nechako floor will continue to rise.