Gee, why isn’t there a rep from CN, one of the biggest transportation pollutors in the city.

I don’t get it, why are they going after such small fish for air quality. Driving into the city this morning, it was painfully obvious (by both sight and smell) that the pulp mills are the largest, stinkiest contributors to pollution in this city.

There are airports, trucking companies, and (go figure) cars in every city all over, and none (or most) of them don’t smell or look as blue (air) as PG.

I know they have the money, but come on, stop wasting time and make the pulp mills accountable.

Air and Rail are governed by federal regulations and trucking is provincial.

If PG AIR wants to have a affect on the air ,why don’t they go after the City which is part owner of the golf club and get all the trees replanted.

I am sure there are some programs or sponsors that could assist with that.

Beautiful and sunny here, 10 minutes from Prince George. When I worked downtown PG it would be sunny here and when driving into town it would change by the jail, I agree it was the smell of the pulp mills.

Get CN into the discussions! Surely they can do something about the amount of pollution they put into the air.

The pulpmills over the years have improved on their polution in the bowl.But what about Husky Oil. Their polution may not smell as bad as the pulpmills but they release a lotmore polution then all the pulpmills into our airshed.

Lets start puting some pressure on Husky these creeps are sitting there ripping us off with the high price of gas and are getting off scotfree. And its not going to take more then a few gatheruings to solve industrial polution it is a Provincial matter to control industry in our area.

Big oil will be screwing us all summer with their hihg gas prices. When will we get serious about telling them its time to consider the consummer and not the share holders.
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What you see from the pulp mills is mostly water vapor.

You are right seamutt, for this time of year.

The best time of the year to see the pulp mill particulates is when it is warm and clear and looking from a distance as, for instance, driving east on fifth prior to starting to dip lower as one approaches Central.

The blue coming from the pulp mills just across the river is clearly visible then as it rises for several hundred metres as it disperses over the landscape.

Once an inversion sets in, it no longer rises as it should, and eventually settles into the bowl as the plume cools, the concentration of particualtes increases and eventually we have an air quality advisory, unless the weather changes to blow the pollutants away or cause them to settle with rain.

CN is your smelly grandfather who lives in your house and makes it stink. You really can’t ask him to leave because he IS family and he chips in a lot of money for rent. And he has been around longer than the politically correct trendy PACHA. You can only tell Grandpa only so much about his (CNs) personal polluting hygiene. Hoping he doesn’t ignore you. No-idle zone in CNs yard? It is to laff. PG? Live with it.

One of the biggest polluters is automobiles. Further more 60% of the gasoline/diesel burnt in Canada is done by recreational drivers.

People drive to Walmart for a loaf of bread and a can of milk. They drive around the City like mindless zombies.

They cry about the price of gas and pollution, and then driver around all day wasting gas, and polluting the air. Later they blame industry for the pollution.

One of the biggest polluters is the bloody diesel buses that run around empty spewing out fumes. Plus the school buses that run and idle all over the place.

Last but not least is the hundreds of cars used to drive kids to school, and then later sit outside the school idling and burning gas waiting for school to get out.

We are all part of the problem. Living in a rock house and throwing glasses, is not the answer.

“What you see from the pulp mills is mostly water vapor”.

since when did water vapor smells like sh….t!

My wife just got back from the Cancer clinic in Vancouver,can you believe that almost half the people getting treatment there where from PG.

The nurses down there told her to get out of
town if she wants a healthier life!

The thing is,we have friends and love the people here for us to move away.

Jonnypg, better to move if you are in a position to and your friends and family can come to visit you. That doesn’t seem like a very good reason if it continues to put your wifes health at risk. You really only have to move away from the pollution in town. You don’t have to move 500 miles away.

“One of the biggest polluters is automobiles. Further more 60% of the gasoline/diesel burnt in Canada is done by recreational drivers” .. where did you dig up that number? If everyone lived in town then I guess they could walk to the store to get a loaf of bread. I don’t believe for a second that automobile exhaust is the leading source for pollution in town. Diesels drivers can help by shutting off thier vehicles when they idle. Those are the ones that seem to be the worst. Doesn’t matter if they are sitting outside the grocery store for 2 mins or 20 mins, if there is someone in the diesel vehicle, it is running. And they do choke you out. If anything diesel should be taxed like crazy to stop needless idling. Check out how often you see a city vehicle or YRB vehicle idling on the side of the road.

Anyone know what a CN locomotive burns while sitting idling? I only ask because we spent a weekend at the cabin and a train (so at least two locos) sat on a siding and idled from friday afternoon until Sunday afternoon. It was out of the city but I am curious

Cant recall where I got the number 60% however have now found the following.

**30% of vehicle use is optional, either recreational or lazy driving, when walking, cycling, or public transit would be a better choice**

Have a nice day.

Palopu got a link to those figures.

Did I say the pulps mills are clean, where did I say that? All I am saying is when people look at the big white clouds from the pulp mills and say look at the pollution, well its water vapor they are looking at.

The implication is that they are burning clean. They are not. I just gave those who might think the big smoke is an indicator of the pollutants put out some information of when to look and actually see the pollution, something you failed to do.

Why seamutt? Why did you fail to enlighten those who may not know? You would not have a hidden agenda, would you, Seamutt …. LOL.

CN locomotive burns diesel while sitting idling. One report came out that said CN was the worse polluter in PG but a later date said the first report was in error. The first report was correct but CN has a lot of muscle.

Regarding the pulp mill’s “steam”, I once asked an engineer from a pulp mill if he would drink the condensed steam and he said “no, it would kill me”, my question back to him was why did they think it was okay then to poison the air.

In Europe they use the steam from the mills to make power, and heat homes, streets, etc. I was told that the three mills could produce enough power and heat to have PG off the grid and we could have massive greenhouse to produce all the food that we would need.