Conservatives lied about F-35s

To call Ottawa’s bamboozle surrounding project’s cost a bungle would be a colossal understatement

http://www.vancouversun.com/Conservatives+lied+about/6420641/story.html

Happy Easter everyone, enjoy the long weekend.

Oh, one other thing, that stick on the left side of your steering coulumn activates your signal lights, how about using them before you turn the wheel to make your turn, you know.. a little bit of a heads up as to your intentions.

What I can’t understand is driving with the phone in the left hand. The vehicle is designed to be driven with the left hand but people seem to like having the phone up in the drivers window so we can all see the phone. Add kids in the car and you can see the driver is a “triple idiot”.

On the subject of bad drivers , I would like to send my apologies to the woman who was pulling out of Superstore on to Ferry in the little res car at about 2pm yesterday . You looked me right in the eye as I rode my motorcycle towards hwy16 and instead of stopping at the stop sign coming out of the parking lot , you chose to floor it to beat me , cutting me off and making me lock up my brakes causing me to nearly crash my bike . I am so sorry that I was an inconvenience to your ever so important life while making my way back to work after my lunch break. My life is clearly not near as important as yours. If only I could give you those extra 5 seconds back that I was taking away from you. It was very thoughtless of me to have the right of way and travel the speed limit and share the road responsibly with others causing you such an inconvenience . What was I thinking?

I love the drivers who come off of Westwood on to 22nd Ave, they don’t stop if they see you coming they just speed through to get in the left hand turn lanes. The city should close that intersection off or do some major changes. A left turn light would be helpful there to from 22nd on to the so called Bypass.

Never assume that the activation of a signal light on a vehicle has any meaning at all!

If I had a dollar for every time I did NOT trust a signal light and was correct in doing so I could pay for a Las Vegas vacation!

Be also very cautious at 4 way stop sign intersections! Even though vehicles arrive seconds later than you some will move before it is their turn and cut you off!

Never trust that the other person is awake, coherent or not distracted!

Sure hope they completely repave Foothills from the intersection with Nechako Road to the intersection with 15th, and 15th from that intersection all the way to the intersection with Central Street!

These are murderous stretches of unsafe and embarassing excuses for a road/highway!

Knock, knock! Anybody in charge? No? Didn’t think so!

gotta get to the rodeo!

Maybe somebody knows this…

What is the deal with the bundles of shoes hanging from hydro lines around town? I heard a theory that it was the local gangs marking their turf, but I don’t know if there’s any truth to that. Anyone?

Here is an interesting read–

Several municipalities in British Columbia are raising the alarm over what they say are completely unexpected pay raises given to the RCMP.

Langley Mayor Peter Fassbender said Thursday that he only learned this week that the RCMP were given raises in last week’s federal budget.

The news has come as a shock to provincial and municipal officials, who just signed a new 20-year contract with the national police force.

The agreement, which is essentially identical to contracts reached in five other provinces and three territories, comes a year after B.C. threatened to pull out of negotiations altogether and set up its own force.

The officials say the deal, signed only two weeks ago, was supposed to end a history of costly surprises.

But Fassbender said there was no mention of pay raises during the negotiations.

“This was being done by Treasury Board, which is where the pay council for the RCMP is housed,” Fassbender said. “And it was part of the federal budget. So what’s disappointing is that there was no heads up given by Treasury Board to anybody, even in their own federal ministry, that this was going to be coming down.”

RCMP members will be getting pay raises over each of the next three years.

The fear is that the raises represent an unforeseen financial hit to local governments that could total millions of dollars.

Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts, whose city is home to the largest RCMP detachment in the country, says she feels she’s been blindsided.

B.C. Justice Minister Shirley Bond says she was caught off-guard and has asked Ottawa for clarification.

Bond and the fibs, real piece of work, by bye.

Kudos to the harley rider with the straight pipes blowing through Domano and 16 heading west, I suspect about 80 to 100 K. Real smart some of those bikers. What’s with the pipes, do they come up short some where else?

Didn’t see RCMP pay raises coming?? How stupid to even think they would be under a “net zero” contract to 20 years?? Only from a BC Liberal could you ever hear something so dumb!

Anyone know if a Nissan leaf can float over potholes? Maybe that’s why the City bought one….

I sure hope the next plan from the City isn’t to reduce spending on paving/patching.

I love the City’s fix to the pothole created on the roundabout….they put cold patch payment in it. I give it a month before it’s a creator again. Not to mention it looks funny as He!!

Oh and another thing. Why are most businesses too good to sweep their sidewalks? It amazes me how a lot of businesses have no care for what their sidewalk looks like. Then complain that business is down. Yes, the city needs to clean the streets, but where’s the pride???

“What I can’t understand is driving with the phone in the left hand. The vehicle is designed to be driven with the left hand but people seem to like having the phone up in the drivers window so we can all see the phone. Add kids in the car and you can see the driver is a “triple idiot”.”

Start taking pictures of these morons and post them on Facebook. I’m sure you can find a site that will take your photos. I really like the guys/gals in the company vehicle doing the same. License number and a quick phone call usually takes care of those idiots.

Happy Easter! I hope you don’t get wiped out by an impaired/distracted/idiot driver.

Well Jim13135 you only have it half right. Yes it would be insane to assume net zero for 20 years, but the 20 years is for the contract to be the police force chosen by the Province and it’s Municipalities. The RCMP “labour contract” is a separate contract.

Since the Province and it’s Municipalities are the customers in this situation it sure would be nice if we had some say in the matter. Too bad it’s federal jurisdiction.

Wouldn’t taking pictures from my vehicle make me as guilty as the idiot on the phone ?

As a neighbourhood we worked with the RCMP to try to get the Ranch Motel on Victoria St. cleaned up,its a lot better but things are still going on. I was shocked last night about 10 o’clock to see needles on wheels delivering there. Is Northern Health stabbing the RCMP in the back and our neighbourhood ?? This motel is a block away from a School. WE do not want this Gas Guzzling Van driving around our area delivering needles and condoms,but we do not get a choice. Weare told it’s good for the Drugies and to hell with your neighbourhood. Then there are the students from the Univerisity out doing a survey on should we have a injection site here ,and of course we want it. I think these students were used as Ginny pigs and don’t have a clue. Why would we want a drug unjection site here ?? It would bring in more Drug addicts, but maybe thats the plan, we are good gullable people in P.G. Thats why our City is going to HEll.

“Bitter”, I hear you….The Ranch motel does look better:)
Whats up with the empty lot next to it? It is kind of an eyesore. Always full of garbage etc. No plans for that in the near future? Just thought I would ask….

When pay raises for the RCMP are negotiated by the Feds in Ottawa the province should NOT be forced to come up with the extra money! Why should it if was not even a participant in the negotiations?
Why wasn’t there any warning given?

Where is the democracy in this Harper government?

Let Steve pay for it! How about cancelling the attack fighter order, bringing the troops home from an untrainable dusthole called Afghanistan and towing those three useless British so-called submarines back to Britain and asking for our money back plus *repair* costs?

That will FREE UP some badly needed money!

For Prince George it means another huge hit! Another excuse for NOT having enough money to reapir roads! The RCMP vehicles’ suspensions, rims and tires are fixed and paid for with OUR taxes, yet when our vehicles get damaged we have to pay out of our OWN pockets!

Something needs to change in a hurry!

Soon the HST will be extinguished and the NDP WILL be back. They WILL make these corporations pay what they owe. And the liberals are going to be completely ELIMINATED. Oh happy day that will be.

Chooo…Choooo the BCR train is coming to get you snooki.

“Whats up with the empty lot next to it? It is kind of an eyesore. Always full of garbage etc. No plans for that in the near future? Just thought I would ask….”

There are lots of eyesores like that all over the place! Solution: Inform the owner that the lot can not be left as is! The City has instituted a new by-law which requires a certain appearance standard to be met by the owner. Inform the owner of the requirements and give 3 months to meet it.

If the owner does not comply, the city will do the work (removing old concrete, etc), bring in topsoil and lawn sod. Plant some ornamental trees and low flowering shrubs!

Bill the owner for this and the maintenance costs. If the owner does not pay, add the costs to the annual tax assessment and bill.

If not paid after three years, the City will acquire the property after the tax sale procedure.

Problem solved.

“Soon the HST will be extinguished and the NDP WILL be back. They WILL make these corporations pay what they owe. And the liberals are going to be completely ELIMINATED. Oh happy day that will be.”

And the corporations will close shop and we’ll all be like mattyc with out hands out expecting someone else to look after us…

Ya and don’t let the door hit em on the way out. Greedy corporate pigs. And by the way I do not get any handouts so stop your personal attacks. You got no right to say anything about anyone personally. Yes the time is almost here.

“Soon the HST will be extinguished and the NDP WILL be back. They WILL make these corporations pay what they owe. And the liberals are going to be completely ELIMINATED. Oh happy day that will be.”

Choooo….. Chooooo

I personally don’t relish the idea of the NDP being in power, account I’m still having flashbacks of when they did and it wasn’t a pretty picture!

Must have your Fiberal blinders on then Cheetos! NOBODY can duplicate the cost overruns these bozos have run up. Will be especially glad to see what was really up with the BCR scandal and why they had to pay off those two on trial.

Hey Charles, regarding your comment about the Conservatives lying about them F-35s – Were they really lying, or not giving us the whole truth? Was it a matter of the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing? I mean you trust people to work for you and they drop the ball, I think our Prime Minister will be kicking some #$% soon.

Denaljo…BCR scandal, what BCR scandal? The NDP were the first to bring up the idea of selling BC Rail, the Liberals just brought it to fruition and besides that, they didn’t really sell it, but leased it to CN Rail for 999 years. The province can get it back, we just need to wait awhile.

Mwk–get real, they just renegotiated a 20 year deal!! Are you saying that they are so stupid they don’t realize the police get pay raises? What kind of a business person would lock in a 20 year contract with open costs? ANS: a BC Liberal ……. Peeing my tax dollars up against the wall because they are not competent to lead!!

You should google how much Minister Bond overspent building that weigh scale south of town, and then tell us what good money managers the BC Liberals are.

“Wouldn’t taking pictures from my vehicle make me as guilty as the idiot on the phone ?”

Only if you do it from your vehicle Middle Finger. Just stand at any intersection and snap away. Or get your passenger to do it as you drive. The look on peoples faces is priceless!

Jim I agree they should have a say in the pay increases. I was just saying that their are 2 contracts, 1 for doing the police work and 1 for the wages paid to the workers.

Can the Province/Municipalities have a say in wage contract negotiations??? Beats me. I’m not a contract lawyer. I just know that Treasury Board in Ottawa negotiates with the RCMP and not the Province.

“But Fassbender said there was no mention of pay raises during the negotiations.”

Let me see … negotiations with anyone is a two or more sided event. All parties, may and should, raise issues that are important. So was Fassbender there or was this hearsay that the issue was not raised?

If, in fact, it was not raised, and raises can be automatically passed on, then we did not have very good negotiators. But, before I can determine whether that was the case, I would need to hear from the BC government who negotiated the deal on my behalf as a taxpayer who pays for policing in this province and this municipality.

We also have to remember that we do not pay for the total cost. The feds pay a small percentage (10%?) as I understand.

In either case, it comes out of municipal, provincial and federal taxpayers. Since the municipalities have no meaningful say in the matter, we have to rely on the two senior governments.

It’s like ICBC ….. whenever we have an accident, if both parties are from BC, we all get to pay … ;-)

Does anyone know what our deal is with the municipal RCMP? If we can get out before the 20years is up, we should look at alternate solutions and see whether we have the best deal at the moment. If not, I say we get out and work with Vancouver and other municiplities who have their own forces to build one here.

Well HAPPY Good Friday to all you God fearing people.

Mayor Green gave Prime Minister Harper the thumbs up on the recent budget. She said that the Feds had to bite the bullet to clear up the national debt. Even tho there was not much money available for the Provinces like 150 million. Even told us that there was not much relief for the TAXPAYERS. It would probably not be political correct to refer to us as CITIZENS. Yes this was our Mayor talking.

On another note, just chewing up Tony Blair’s new book. Some good info for the NDP . He stressed that it was wrong to think of our governments as being left or right but it was very important to come up with good ideas and consideration for the Citizens.

Blair tell us that Labour was in opposition for 18 years and it wasn’t until they moved closer to the center that they came into power. He thought it was best to work with the corporations but leave them alone to do their thing .It would be folly to increase their taxes but more prudent to leave them at a stable 15%.
CHEERS

That is what negotiating a service agreement entails! They are all put off because the RCMP are going to get raises and they didn’t stipulate anything in the contract?? Pretty dumb don’t you think? BC Liberal dumb

“You should google how much Minister Bond overspent building that weigh scale south of town, and then tell us what good money managers the BC Liberals are.”

Maybe you should find out how come the technical people at the ministry had so little knowledge and control over the project specifics.

The Minister might be the second to last person whose desk the buck stops at, but it is the technical people several steps down who have been paid employess, no matter what government is in power, whose heads should be on the line.

But hey, that’s not very politically convenient, is it?

I know, the government does not pay high enough to get quality people …. ;-)

Another thing about that weigh scale. One would think that they could have found a place that was just a touch flatter. There is something about that configuration that makes me feel less safe than driving a normal stretch of highway when approaching it from the south, especially in winter and in the dark.

HST..cristy told us how much her government cares for families! Where are those HST rebates? Have they conveniently forgotten those low income families that were not to be hurt by the HST because they would be getting rebates?? Hello………BC Liberals sticking it to low income families and senior citizens. When the polls open the Lieberals are going down in flames!😳

POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON. LOL

Okay, just read a news report from a few weeks ago.

“Mayor Peter Fassbender, City of Langley, RCMP contract negotiations municipal representative –

“We can all look forward to a much greater sense of partnership ahead, one that is spelled out very clearly in the new agreement. It will empower local government leaders, whose citizens ultimately hold them accountable for the safety of their communities and the costs associated with keeping them safe.”

So Fassebender was there at the table. He could have brought up the salary situation on behalf of all the miiniciplaities he was representing. Why did he not do that? Why is he blaming the Feds?

“POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON.”

The thing is, diapers keep on being diapers, and politicians keep on being politicians. Cleaning diapers and giving politicians a new look does not make a change.

Eventually we learn to the freedom of living without diapers. Will we ever learn to live without politicians ….

Ok faxman I just reported your personal attacks to Elaine. You will be hearing about it.

“Soon the HST will be extinguished and the NDP WILL be back. They WILL make these corporations pay what they owe. And the liberals are going to be completely ELIMINATED. Oh happy day that will be.”

Choooo….. Chooooo

I’m tellllling….

Mattyc:”….and the NDP WILL be back. They WILL make these corporations pay what they owe.”

What do they owe and to who do they owe it?

Corporations are subject to provincial and federal laws. Tax laws, environmental laws, employment safety standard laws and many other established laws. Any ordinary citizen may report to the government agencies responsible any breaking of any of the laws.

Corporations invest money and effort into businessess and then they run them in the framework of the existing laws. As long as they pay their employees the salaries and wages agreed upon…etc and pay the taxes on their income they don’t owe anything to anybody.

There is an election slogan which says that *if you vote for us we will force the corporations to pay what they owe.* It’s an old NDP vote getting slogan but as old and wornout as it is – it still manages to catch votes.

There is no doubt the cost of the RCMP is a big issue for municipalities . Prince George pays 90% of the costs, and have no say in how much they get paid, and very little say in how the policing is done. In addition we supply 50 staff to run the operation.

We need to find another way to get the job done, or at least some way to control costs. We cannot continue to pay more and more in wages and costs, especially in a town like Prince George where the population is static, so we have no increase in revenue but a huge increase in costs every year.

Do we downsize the force to cover the costs of the increases. Can we get by on 111 police as opposed to 121?? We may very well have to.

The municipalities can opt out with tow year’s notice.

“The agreement has a 20-year term, however, all contract parties will be able to review the contract every five years, and will continue to be able to opt out of the contract with two years’ notice.”

Sort of like the HST … maybe we could vote on it with an AAP … LOL

weaksauce: “I’m tellllling….”

lol. Same thing went through my head as well. Some people never mature.

I think the security services in PG need an efficiency and effectiveness review, both policing and firesafety. There is no reason why those operations should be exempt from such a review.

“OAS eligibility changes to 67 but Harper still gets his ‘retirement allowance’ at 65.”

A Liberal Bill introduced to amend the practice that a PM gets his $100k annual life time supplement to his regular gold plated Prime Minister pension at age 67 (like the rest of us peasants) instead of at 65 failed to pass.

Incredible? No. That’s they way the trough works.

Headline: World’s tallest all-wood residential structure opens in London England. Date June 2009.

An eco-focused Building Team employs **jumbo plywood** and modern prefabrication techniques to create the worlds tallest all-wood residential structure.

This was a nine story Stadthaus apartment complex in East London and is the worlds tallest residential structure constructed entirely in timber and one of the tallest all-wood buildings on the planet. The towers structural systems consists of cross-laminated timber (CLT) panels pieced together to form load-bearing walls and floors. Even the elevator and stair shafts are constructed of prefabricated CLT.

Soooooo. The wood innovation building slated for Prince George is not exactly new. If it gets to 10 stories it may be the highest building but so what???

Do we really need to build this monstrosity to show the world how it is done, when it has already been done???

$75 Million dollars spent on this building, with no absolute plan on who will use it is (as usual) for Prince George, insane.

At the very minimum this building if it is going to be built should incorporate the PAC into it, along with some other community benefits, such as a farmers market, green space, restaurants etc;

Why should a Government building be used to rent space to business, at the cost to those business’s that already rent space in this town. Should business have to compete with the Government??? Why should the University have to locate their engineering people downtown? We have a University for them, and thats where they should be.

If of course the Liberals and Mr Bell plan to build this project as a Private,. Public, Partnership, thus hiding the actual cost, and screwing taxpayers over the next 20 years, then of course it should not be built at all.

3P’s suck.

For all you PAC loving taxpayers, this is an opportunity for you to get your PAC and have the Provincial Government pay for it. Cant think of a better way to get it done.

PG your wonderfull fibs messed up the RCMP negations, along with just about everything else they touch and somehow you blamed it on Harper. Quite a stretch.

Just a few k’s south of the scales is located that flat four lane. Might have been a lot cheaper there.

Let us expand our minds away from our “gritty little mill town” and it’s mundane shortcomings for a moment. Again I harken back to the time a few weeks ago when I commented about Israel or the Great Satan bombing Iran. Not being scholarly about the history of Israel I suspect the bombing will occur on the anniversary of some other incident in Israels past. When it happens, life will get most interesting here in the West. After the bombing, like as in a divorce, every one of their (Israel and Iran) friends and acquaintances in the Middle East and most assuredly some western countries are going to pick sides. And when whoever picks whoever as a friend or foe will carry this luggage for a lot of years into our future. The fall of the Ottoman Empire, the First World War. Then the Balkans. Every one chose sides. And on and on it went. In closing, I reluctantly listen to my radio when I get up in the morning, looking forward to my realization of this rant only to find Iran under attack. War will then trump pot holes. Dismiss my rant if you wish, but don’t forget it.

Ladies and Gentlemen:
While the Friday Freee For All is meant to offer open thread discussion on the topics of your choice, it is expected you will respect each other. Name calling and bullying won’t be tolerated.
We only post three rules for the Friday Free for all, and expect everyone to abide by them.
Personal attacks do nothing to add to the discussion.
Please conduct yourselves accordingly.

-Elaine Macdonald

Same complaint different Friday, why do drivers coming of the Cameron street bridge into roundabout neglect the speed limit of the roundabout? It’s 30 kmh not 90, guessing you are in the mindset that if you are a road bully you win.

Don’t stop at Red Lights or Stop Signs, that’s easy no Fines just no Wheels for 3 Month, that will fix your Wagon , make you abide by the Rules of the Road, don’t like it don’t drive , that was easy.

Have a wonderful, safe weekend everybody.

I think the politicians are just acting shocked that the RCMP are getting raises to take peoples’ minds away from the huge raises they gave themselves.
I’d like to see a future where politicians would have to ask ‘the people’ for a raise. They could then be subjected to a performance review.
Right now, its like having the pigs in control of the food distribution.
The fatter you are, the more you need and get.

Elaine is right. Personal attacks on other posters isn’t even nice to read.

I wonder what the City would do, if we as a group, all went out and started filling the potholes with road crush?
Yes, pickups loaded with the crush, wheelbarrows and lots of people with shovels distributing it.
Do you think that would get the message across?
I’ll bet local aggregate suppliers would even donate the crush.
People with video cameras could film it and distribute it on Youtube, to show the world that we’re really fed up with the status quo.

Regarding the RCMP raise, my understanding is that was why the BC was holding out and was trying to get the users (us) at the table when it came time for raises. They must have blinked when Fed Government told them they had to accept what the other provincial governments had accepted.

Would it cost less to have two officers in each car? Ever time one car shows up another car comes to the scene so that the officer has back up. Plus that way we can’t say that there is two laws, one for us and one for the police. The second officer can be the one reading the computer, etc.

One could feasibly get arrested for messing with city property”. For example, what if enough people decided to paint city hall a nice Martha Stewart colour? City property belongs to every one. Not just any one with a little nerve and a self serving agenda. But then again, I have a shovel. Where do we start?

How much over budget was MLA bond on her weigh scale project? As the Minister she holds the responsibility for spending $30 MILLION to weigh trucks while she said diddly about closing rural schools in her riding!

Why is ICBC spending money on road repairs? That must be why our rates are going up? Here I thought we were buying insurance, not just paying more hidden taxes…….

I’d like to see a future where politicians would have to ask ‘the people’ for a raise. They could then be subjected to a performance review.

I like that concept ” Givemore “

This could be the name of your new company The Roadian Angels,w/shovels….LOL

“Comment Posted by: Cheetos on April 6 2012 10:49 AM
I personally don’t relish the idea of the NDP being in power, account I’m still having flashbacks of when they did and it wasn’t a pretty picture!”

What kind of picture will you have of the Liberals during your future flashbacks Cheetos?

You’re not suggesting in any way shape or form that the Liberals were surpassed in absolute incompetence and scandal by the NDP are you?

“Yes, pickups loaded with the crush, wheelbarrows and lots of people with shovels distributing it.
Do you think that would get the message across?”

It would if anyone would work with the media on this.

Get enough people out to the event(s). Have a great spokesperson there who can speak, people in the background working, with headlines which will be picked up by the provincial and national media …..

“Citizens resort to fixing City’s potholes”
– City Hall lacks interest to act –

Plopu … I think many of us who have read the posts on this site about “tall” wooden buildings have knoew about the building in London. But thanks for the reminder.

They will have a bit of a problem dealing with the building code on such a building, which has also already been mentioned. However, since the province is involved with it, it will provide a good opportunity to work that out.

It is, by the way, not just a matter of saying it will be so. They will have to go through a fairly thorough due diligence process which will involve organizations such as the NRC who have the ability to look at fire safety of buidlings, and possbily even structural safety of buildings.

For that and other reasons they have already been advised by those who do this for a living to keep it lower.

I rezlly do not see the need to do this. I say start small. They really do not yet know how to build lower buildings using the panelized wood buildings. We used to build modular and systems buildings in this country in the 1960s and 1970s, in concrete mostly, some steel, and some wood.

In fact, we had a wood building built of wood modules. It was called the Yellowhead Inn. It burned nicely when something went wrong one day, even though the wood was protected by fire rated gypsum board.

No one was killed due to the fire, as I recall. But the building was not able to be saved.

If that building had been built of solid cross laminated wood panels, conventional wisdom about fire and wood indicates that the fire would not have consumed the entire building.

I just say, is it worth it to spend that much on a building and not know what might go wrong with it, whether due to fire behavious, structural behaviour, quality maintenance, lack of expert knowledge, etc. etc.

A PAC in there? Putting an assembly occupancy into a building like that would be idiotic. Assembly occupancies after heavy industrial buildings, have the highest levels of building fire safety requirements. It is because the base structure of the Playhouse is of wood, that the building could nto be enlarged beyond the magic 299 maximum seats.

“What kind of picture will you have of the Liberals during your future flashbacks Cheetos?”

I think Cheetos was letting us know what kind of flashbacks he was having of the NDP, and the reason why they may have been left with just 2 seats.

He is having those flashbacks based on the BCLiberals governance, especially in the years prior to the world economy hitting a few speedbumps and the lumber market dropping out of sight, the effects of the MPB, and the Lumber Tariffs situation with the USA. We have to remember, due to past decades of a variety of governments, we are still very much dependent on the lumber industry, especially in this part of the world.

I suspect he would not know what kind of flashbacks he would have should governance be handed back to the NDP and we experience a few years under their leadership again.

There is a comparison being made. It is difficult for anyone whose head is in the real world to base a projection on two hypotheticals – a governance change and a 4 year record of action by an NDP led government.

Maybe you have that extraordinary ability, Dragonmaster.

I know I do not. I can only deal with past experience, especially when it involves politicians of any stripe. They are voted in to make decisions. Some decisions we like. Some we do not. Simple truth of the matter.

“PG your wonderfull fibs messed up the RCMP negations, along with just about everything else they touch and somehow you blamed it on Harper. Quite a stretch.”

What are wonderful fibs? Never heard of them and I don’t have any.

Let me repeat:”Where is the democracy in this Harper government?”

Can’t call it the Canadian Government since the mainstream media renamed it the Harper Government.

No matter which party makes up our future government it is still going to be a complete wash. You can’t trust any of them. Vote NDP and kiss all the jobs goodbye. Vote Fiberal and kiss any sort of integrity in leadership goodbye….

Its a lose/lose. You’ve just got to decide which loss is more pailitable…

Awaken through thy flesh, for the time of the Lord draws near and all will be made knew. As the universe hath created thyself to understand thyself. Through LOVE will thy enter eternity.

Some great insight the F35 deal. Me I liked the idea of focusing on missile warfare and keeping the CF-18 as a man based flexible option.

The tens of billions in costs just to have a sneak attack plane is ridiculous. The CF-18 is superior in every aspect other than sneak attack. If we need to deal with hardened targets in some hypothetical war we can use drones and missiles. Drone triggers air defense… other drone uses missiles to eliminate radars… CF-18’s clean up any manned aircraft… save billions of dollars and let the ‘allies’ fund corporate welfare.

IMO Bombardier could build a plane capable of Canada’s needs and role. Canada needs to invest in missile technology as the future is in who has a missile that can shot further and straighter and faster then the other guy… planes are outdated in their strategic role for warfare and easily negated with missile tech.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/138040/1/#1

How our world is really run… by and for the bankers who are immune from their crimes.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-how-goldman-gambled-on-starvation-2016088.html

The Top 100 Statistics About The Collapse Of The Economy That Every American Voter Should Know

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-top-100-statistics-about-the-collapse-of-the-economy-that-every-american-voter-should-know

A lot of these stats could just as easily be applied to Canada as well

Interesting delegate count table for the American republican primaries….

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

An excellent video clip by Judge Napolitano on money…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL3hL_MgxU0&feature=endscreen&NR=1/

From Eagleone’s link come these words:

“Decades of incredibly foolish decisions have left us drowning in an ocean of corruption, greed and bad debt. Thousands of businesses and millions of jobs have left the country and poverty is exploding from coast to coast. We are literally becoming a joke to the rest of the world. It is absolutely imperative that we educate America about what is happening. Until the American people truly understand the problems that we are facing, they will not be willing to implement the solutions that are necessary.”

So, Russia, considered one of the great modern socialist powers, run by an autocratic government, has virtually collapsed and is trying to struggle back to its past “glory”.

The USA, one of the great modern capitalist powers, run by a democratic government is on the verge of following the Russians.

So, two economic ideologies, two systems of government have not exactly been able to follow through to reach their perceived goals for any length of time. Let’s call that length of time the 1,000+ year reign of the Roman Empire from birth to collapse.

Will the resolve of the Chinese, whose reign from the start of the Zhou Dynasty that predates the Romans has been 3 times that of the Romans, be able to outpace those major countries which have risen in the last two to three centuries?

So far they seem to have had the most success as a society.

“Until the American people truly understand the problems that we are facing, they will not be willing to implement the solutions that are necessary.”

I am sure glad that Mitt has come along to save the USA. ;-)