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And So The ‘Dance’ Begins On The BC Political Scene

Saturday, April 21, 2012 @ 5:28 AM

Prince George, BC – With pundits across the province working to analyze just what this week’s by-elections mean to the BC political scene, a local political science professor is likening it to a dance between the main parties.

UNBC Poli Sci Prof, Jason Morris, says the party winning the by-election says it means a whole lot, while the loser says it doesn’t mean anything.  "The truth is somewhere in the middle," says Morris.  "It certainly means something for the two new MLAs and the people in those communities, but we’re not sure what it means overall for the next election, yet."

On Thursday, NDP candidates won by-elections in two Lower Mainland ridings, garnering more than 50-percent support.  "The BC Liberals lost two seats in the legislature and that sends a strong message that what they’re doing has to be improved," says Morris.  "I’d say they can take some consolation in the fact that their support hasn’t hemorrhaged as much as it could have – they were still supported by about a third of the voting population in those ridings and, for them, it could always be worse."

The political scientist believes talk of a merger between the Liberals and BC Conservative Party is premature, as is, he feels, talk of ousting Premier Christy Clark in favour of a leader who could better unite the right.  "Historically, and conventionally, a party leader in government gets one ‘kick at the can’ for an election before they are turned aside."

As for drawing conclusions about the potential for vote-splitting between the two right wing parties in the next general election, Morris says it’s dangerous to assume that all votes for the Conservatives would have gone to the Liberals if there wasn’t that third option.  He admits the Liberals see vote-splitting as a serious threat – one they experienced directly in 1996, with the BC Reform Party taking a lot of votes.  "So, perhaps, these by-elections also put ‘on notice’ the northern BC Liberal MLAs – they’ll have to keep a close watch if the Conservative support continues to increase."

Comments

The truth is voters did speak and the result was 2 new NDP MLA’s. The BC Liberals are, politically speaking, a “dead party walking” in BC. The next 330 days is going to be a political purgatory for Christy Clark and company. The nastiness and abuse of tax payers money to ensure a win will only escalate.

All that really needs to happen if the NDP is to be kept out is for those on the ‘right’ to stop confirming every position taken by the ‘left’ is correct, and all they need to do to appeal to the voter is do the same thing the NDP would do, only more slowly or with greater subtlety.

Both the BC Libs and the BC Conservatives are parties of ‘reaction’, not ones of action. They’re making the same mistake that BC Social Credit made in its latter terms of office. After it was subject to a reverse takeover by most of the then BC Liberal caucus, and ceased being a League and a Movement and became just another Party. One trying to govern for the greater benefit of a small ‘part’ of the electorate, rather than for the greater good of all.

It’s time for chrsty to start spending her butt off, just wait and see all the funding she surprisingly now has. Off to buy our votes with our tax dollars, just like every other election, same sh@t different election

I like how the liberals are talking about a coalition with the conservatives and the conservatives saying they want nothing to do with the liberals because of thier track record. Talk about not being welcome at the party. Its time to go home clark, nobody wants you here anymore. We didn’t even elect her did we?

The byelections showed that vote splitting was a huge factor in the NDP wins.

If there’s any hope of avoiding the scary situation of the NDP taking power in the next provincial election, the Liberals and the Conservatives need to take the following steps;

Get rid of Christy Clark (she’s been a failure), merge the parties, call them Conservatives, let John Cummins (sp?) be the leader.

I am not for the NDP, with that said, why is everyone so scared of what they did way back when, is it any worse than whats happening with todays government ? I dont remember drastic cuts to health care or closing all these schools. Yes they did have their scandals but what government doesnt.. they are not the most trustworthy group.

I wonder if there has been a run on blood pressure pills in the last couple of days.

I have always wondered about the name, Political Scientist. Should it not be Political BS analyzer. Then would not sound as intellectual I suppose.

the port moody NDP candidate won 54% of the vote … No splitting there ….

the Wack-hope Candidate won just over 40% of the vote … an arguement could be made that 60% did not vote NDP … at the same time an arguement could be made that 70% did not vote Cons or libs. Its a far stretch to think that everyone that voted Con would have voted Liberal. People want change … Campbell and Clark have messed over this province …

People keep telling about NDP government in the 90s Ruined this province like the rest of Canada is now …. I then remind them that in the 90s Asia had an economic crisis such as Europe and the USA are having recently …. as Most of BC business is done with Asia of course we would suffer the ill effects of that. As such is still the case Asia markets have not been effected by the “global” crisis that we all hear about BC has come through not to bad … But we are still in massive debt … almost 3x the amount of debt than in 2001 when the Libs took office.

Time for a change it is … Libs need to leave … the Conservatives are not nearly organized enough to run thier own party yet let alone a province … nor do i expect them to be by spring 2013 … that Leaves the NDP as the only option….

As far as local Candidates go … I think Pat Bell does a good job … I find he does listen to his constituants … Its a shame that he is on a sinking ship, Shirley Bond needs to go as she is nothing more than a puppet and offers nothing but Lip service. The NDP candidate looking to replace her, Sherry Ogasawara(sp??), I think is a good option, She runs a successfull busines, she is well known in this city, and she will listen … most of all I dont think she will be anyones “puppet”

one party lead us out of a global depression and one put us in a provincial recession remember the fast ferries, Adrian Dix’s email fiasco, U-Haul Dosanjh (cause everyone left for Alberta), social assistance recipients , govt and public sector unions and environmentalists will benefit , as a small business person I cringe.

You must laugh at this ‘vote splitting” garbage we keep hearing about from the libtards and their supporters.

The fact is, if there wasn’t a 3rd party to vote for the NDP would still come out on top.

“Get rid of Christy Clark (she’s been a failure), merge the parties, call them Conservatives, let John Cummins (sp?) be the leader”

Then you end up with what exactly, a whole new fresh group of caring people?

Good luck with that.

Posted by: twospeed99 on April 21 2012 9:54 AM
one party lead us out of a global depression and one put us in a provincial recession remember the fast ferries, Adrian Dix’s email fiasco, U-Haul Dosanjh (cause everyone left for Alberta), social assistance recipients , govt and public sector unions and environmentalists will benefit , as a small business person I cringe.
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Cambell and the Libs can take credit for that as much as Ralph Klien can take credit for the Alberta Oil Boom …. For being a small business person you sure dont pay much attention to Global economics do you? Asian markets were largely unaffected by the so called “Global depression” Europe was yes … Most of the USA was yes … but not Asia … where does BC do most of its Business???? I will give you 3 guesses and the first 2 dont count …. yep thats right Asia … Recall when Asia suffered an economic meltdown in the 90s …. BC went for crap … of course you do … but you are not willing to admit that its because of 85% of BCs GDP is funded through Asia.

remember all the sell offs … and privatization that costs BC taxpayers more than public service?

Liberal or NDP. Well, philosophically I lean right, but this Liberal government has been less than honest, arrogant, and made mistakes by the droves. So is the NDP that much worse an option – depends on which mistakes are better.

NDP traditionally leans toward making mistakes that hurt business, kill jobs, help the underpriviledged, punish the wealthy, help organized labour.

Liberals traditionally lean toward making mistakes that help business, create jobs, hurt the underpriviledged, hurt organized labour, and give the farm away for less than it was worth, in pursuit of doing the above.

An analogy might be a farm. Farmer NDP let’s half the kids sleep all day, get’s less production out of the farm, but never let’s the city slickers take him for a dime.

Farmer Liberal tries to get all the kids to work, but makes sure they don’t get paid too much, and isn’t upset when the city slickers walk away with a quart or two of milk for free to make it all happen.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could get someone to govern that would work for all of us, and not just those who brought them to power, and keeps them there.

Posted by: bowzone_mikey on April 21 2012 10:23 AM

“Cambell and the Libs can take credit for that as much as Ralph Klien can take credit for the Alberta Oil Boom …. For being a small business person you sure dont pay much attention to Global economics do you? Asian markets were largely unaffected by the so called “Global depression” Europe was yes … Most of the USA was yes … but not Asia … where does BC do most of its Business???? I will give you 3 guesses and the first 2 dont count …. yep thats right Asia … Recall when Asia suffered an economic meltdown in the 90s …. BC went for crap … of course you do … but you are not willing to admit that its because of 85% of BCs GDP is funded through Asia.”

So what your saying is the Libs can take no credit for where our province is at during the worst economic times since the great depression and the NDP gets no blame for the recession during their term, convenient argument and not hard to tell what card you carry in your wallet. My only question would be which group do you belong to as mentioned in my previous post ?

How soon they forget… people voted the NDP down to two seats ten years ago. Two seats! It’s hard to believe that some are still using the ‘asian flu’ excuse for the party’s poor performance during the booming 90’s.

Oh well, all you NDP lovers will soon get what you wish for… to the detriment of BC. I’ll try to refrain from saying “I told you so”.

99 … You have no idea what Card I carry in my pocket … But I will tell you that one them says “Possession/Acquistion”….

Show me another “Viable” option … The libs have scuttled their ship … The Cons are a joke right now at best since they cant get a slate of candidates together … hell they barely feilded candidates in the 2 ridings for by election … whats left? … the Rhino party or Greens????

Yes Johnny we will get an NDP Government..

In 2005 and 2009 if there was no Green Party the NDP would be in power.

Typical Johnnytards only mention splits on the right.

BC debt was $28 billion in 2000..

BC Debt today is $66 billion dollars.

Nuff said

Christy Clark isn`t a cougar..She`s a leopard.

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/04/christy-clark-figurehead-doning-leopard.html

I’m just like a tree I always lean to the sunny side, it seems that the sun is shining more brightly of late. Now the working people of BC can pick up the pieces of this broken province-minus the BCR and get things rolling.

Gordon Campbell signed a secret deal with Ottawa surrendering our rights, our sovereignty, our Democracy.

The time to end BC Liberals Governing Authority is now.

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oops.

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yikes, a double oops.

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Why can we not hve a greece style general strike here to force these LIE berals from office. I know why. Cuz the people aint willing to give up ANYTHING even for a week or 2. Would be funny if EVERYONE would just shut everything down until these LIE berals are FORCED OUT and call an election NOW. I would gladly refuse to go to work next week if everyone else would help by doing the same thing. WE THE PEOPLE could get rid of these crooks if we wanted to, Problem is nobody will do anything so just sit there and keep paying. At least the greeks fight back. Better the the people here.

Matty doesn’t understand why Greece is such a mess. Sad.

Clues: Bloated government service, overly generous benefits and pensions, culture of tax evasion.

Mornin johnny.
Yes I do in fact understand all that you just said. All of which is true. Tax evasion etc. Everyone knows that stuff. What I said (hope you can read the words) is that the people of greece can somehow launch national strikes almost at will, at anytime. I would like to see that happen here. It would be one sure way to get rid of the LIE berals. I would gladly stay home from work to see that result. It would not take too long to achieve that goal I would guess. A week of everything shut down in BC would surely take this corrupt goverment out of action. So is there something else johnny that you would like clarified? Or will you just give it the spin dok tor job that you are famous for? The 2 by-elections is the perfect example of what awaits the LIE berals province wide. You know it. I know it. THe spin from crusty about vote splitting is just BS. The numbers speak for themselves johnny. I just wish that WE THE PEOPLE could speed up the process ofgetting rid of all these campell goons that are still making me and everyone pay HST. i WANT THEM OUT OF OFFICE. As do the majority of Bc taxpayers. Understand johnny?

The facts are that the BC liberals know there days are numbered… they also know that the Harper government recently changed the environmental review process so as to have a decision on Gateway BEFORE the BC liberals loss an election. Most BC liberals including the ‘premier’ are now working to secure an ‘appointment’ by the Harper government and they have only one way of ensuring that happens.

These people in power don’t care two wits about democracy, or the people of BC having any say in the Enbridge Petro China Gateway project. They will ram it through before the people of BC ever get to a vote.

A premier that is not elected as premier will deny she has an opinion until the Harper governments fixed review process tells her what her opinion is, and then she will do as she is told in the hopes of securing a future appointment as an ambassador to some place far away where the realities of a major oil spill in BC will be the furthest thing from her mind. It will be a ‘premier’ that was never elected by the province selling the province out to her corporate masters in epic style prior to it being confirmed that she would never be a premier of BC when the people of BC get a vote on the matter.

Honestly how is this in any way democratic? How do liberal and conservative voters defend this kind of I’d say treasonous process? How does this fit in with Harpers rhetoric for democratic principles and open and transparent government? Hypocrites all of them in my opinion.

Matty, if you like the idea of general strikes so much, you might try to find a better example than the entitled coddled Greeks.

I sure do see a lot of spin around here. And it’s not coming from me. Eagle’s post is a fine example.

Anyway, whether you like it or not, the Liberals have another year before they call an election. No amount of semi-illiterate ranting is going to change that.

A couple of months before the next election I suspect the “U-Haul” folks from around will be bringing most all their trucks and utility trailers to BC to cope with the exodus of non Dippers. I also expect fewer vacancies in the office lease and rental space business in Cowtown and Edmonton. Some guy who scams Skytrain can’t be all bad, can he? Moving companies will the most benefited companies in BC.

Don`t let the door hit you on the way.

BC Liberal reign of terror is over, BC Liberal Government will fall before the end of May.

You better reserve a U-haul Harbinger, don`t forget to make room for Johnny.

mattyc, wow, you might want to move to quebec where strikes and mobs are a way of life. Ya, bc should emulate that gong show.
I’ll give you this, these byelections will give nutbars like you a reason for living.

Bang on Harb. Gotta be brain-dead to want a return to the bad old days of NDP rule. And under Adrian Dix, no less.

Thanks JohnnyBelt. It is called “selective amnesia”. Look at city hall. I don’t like the Lieberals nor the Dippers. Maybe we need a “benevolent ayatollah” mated with a miser to get this world back from the brink.

After second thought even Adrian Dix is a bozo.

To get rid of all the political trash we must now vote Conservative. BC’s only chance for salvation.

After second thought even Adrian Dix is a bozo.

To get rid of all the political trash we must now vote Conservative. BC’s only chance for salvation.

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