Happy Friday everyone. Watch for motorcycles when driving, please. Look twice before turning left.
metalman.

Should one generation consume beyond its means and either expect or hope that the next generations will somehow pick up the tab?
(Chris Martenson)

John Moore: It’s the older generation that’s entitled, not students

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/24/john-moore-its-the-older-generation-thats-entitled-not-students/

We now live in a world where deflation has become public enemy number one. In this current economic environment, governments seek a condition of perpetual inflation in order to maintain the illusion of prosperity in the developed world. But in reality, deflation is the free-market approach to rectify a secular period of superfluous money supply growth, debt accumulation and asset price appreciation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-pento/deflation-isnt-the-enemy_b_1542278.html

Friday…….yeah……
Just like to pass on the bad heighbour award to the Home Depot. 3 weeks ago your landscape contractor filled the gutters on O’Grady RD. with sand and gravel and left it there. Looks like crap.

What a beautiful sunrise today… where to go this weekend….

Beautiful sunny weekend ahead, best weather of the year so far, wouldn’t it be nice if everybody had a smile on their face today rather than a frown :-)

Oil trading at $90.63 a barrel this morning. I wonder if the oil companies and refiners are aware oil has dropped 15% in the last 3 months. Might just be time to lower the price at the pump. In the USA gasoline is now 3.5% lower in price than 1 year ago.
Once again the oil companies stick it to the Canadian consumer.

Nice link to the John Moore article Charles. My thoughts exactly.

The Quebec students are simply protesting to retain some of our historical free enterprise enabled middle class society that allows everyone equal opportunity to build a life for themselves based on their own personal merit and thus allow upward mobility of class no matter what your parents did.

That free enterprise society is almost dead in Canada with the elimination of affordable post secondary education, attacks on the public health care system, shutting down the EI worker protection to force down private sector wages, trimming regulations that keep monopoly capitalists in check, a shrinking small business sector every single year since Harper came to power, huge increase in cost of energy for Canadians, eliminating retirement at 65 (now 67), and privatizing essential public infrastructure.

This is the Harper legacy and his cabinet does it with disdain for the plight of real world working Canadians as if the Harper government are in a hermetically sealed world view that allows them to pass off hypothetical problems in a way that finds the most extreme example, and the most demeaning character assassinations, to push an agenda that uses the most outrageous solution for the greatest amount of political partisan shock value. A government that one time feigned indignity at the lack of democratic accountability when in opposition, but that stops at nothing to undermine the democratic system once in power.

My generation can look forward to lots of taxes to pay past government debts and tax cuts to the foreign corporations, banks, and the ultra rich, who also get all the bailouts when their ponzi schemes go haywire.. we will be the generation forced to compete for the lowest common standard as tax slaves and not as citizens.

The thing I don’t understand is how an ideological extreme government that represents the 1% can get this much power if we truly are an informed democracy. I understand why public sector workers would not support the Harper government, but IMO private sector workers have taken the brunt of the policy and lost the most… small business has declined every year for the last half decade and they were the big employers of the middle class… so what does that leave the conservatives but the wealthy moneyed class of big finance, foreign corporations, political wannabe’s, and smart aszes as their base.

But at least Australia isn’t hanging on a knifes edge of a nuclear fall out catastrophe (that is not being taken seriously by our government), the Australian government has no public debt, retirement age is still 65, the economy is still 95% small business, and they have robust growth projected for years to come… smart youth IMO will start voting with their feet and that will only make matters much worse for Canada and its fascist government.

Have to agree Resident. But as yuou can see there is not a thing the consumer do about it (except boycot). Gas companies will charge what ever they like and you will pay the price. Government likes it too espeicially the BC Libs, they gain more tax dollars from us. So don’t expect gas prices to drop along with the barrel in Prince George or BC for that matter. Kamloops was down around 117 p/l and has gone up to 122 in the last couple of days while the barrel continues to drop. And don’t forget we have more carbon tax on the way too. May the city will add a tax as well to repair what they call roads.

If we gave exlax to any politician… There would just be a thin film left on the ground once it is done working…

Harper looks like a clone of the typical American Republican, arrogant, scornful of the *ordinary non-elite human being* and forever perfecting extreme spin and determined to find out which US ad agency can cook up the most vicious and effective personal attacks come election time.

He has surrounded himself with underlings who, having been carefully handpicked and given strict marching orders gleefully carry out whatever the Great One comes up with!

Just my impression of course! It just looks that way, can’t help it, prove me wrong, please!

I love motorcycles but would never ride one. Too many people do NOT see them PLUS… when you are involved in an accident while on a motorcycle the injuries are always way worse than if you were in a car.

So I agree with metalman “Watch for motorcycles when driving, please… and look twice before turning left.”

Have a safe great weekend all!

Quebec students pay the lowest tuition in the country in a ‘have not’ province. They want taxpayers to pick up the tabs for their education. There is no excuse for their entitled coddled behavior.

PrinceGeorge, instead of people proving you wrong maybe you could prove what you’ve written is right.

Sorry, Prince George, how can I or anyone prove a perception such as yours, which comes close to reality, wrong?

You are asking the impossible. ;-)

Ah, there is goode olde RUEZ … the open who has never proven anything …. too lazy to and is always counting on others.

RUEZ, a statement was made. It was an opinion. You made one, it is your opinion.

Prince George gave some indicators of his perception. You gave nothing, as usual. ;-)

How can I watch for motorcycles when driving when the stupid driver of the motorcycle uses the left lane of the on coming traffic, on the wrong side of the concrete barrier and then cuts back into the correct lane at a turn lane. He was half a block in the wrong lane and because of the barrier would not have been able to move. Plus the traffic he past was doing the correct speed but he past all of us as if we were standing still. Oh by the way he was still at the left turn light when I got to the light so he did not save anytime but could have caused a bad accident.

Classy Gus. I didn’t realize you were his PR assistant.

I agree with princegeorge, there is plenty of proof, actions speak exactly as Mr Harper says! Mr Harper just had one of his own MP’s publically say this week that his hands were tied and he had no choice but follow the party line. First MP or MLA that I am aware of that publically made that claim and didn’t become an independant or walk across the floor.

Seems the anti Harperites are out in force this morning.

Isnt it nice that we can blame all the problems of the Country on one individual, who 5/6 years ago had no power what so ever in this Country. Nice to see the Free Riders, Chretian, Martin, who were the real causes of our problems to-day continue to get off scot free.

Seems to me that it was the Liberal Government that **stole** 40 Billion dollars froms the EI fund and transferred it into General Revenue to help them to **balance the budget**. In addition the Liberals were about as corrupt a Government as you can get.

But what the hell lets blame Harper, Christy Clark, and Shari Green. That way we can make outrageous statements not backed by any facts.

Seems to me the people who lost the election, and the HST issue are not very happy, and continue to cry the blues. Get over it.

Harper was elected to a Majority Government by the voters of Canada. This is how our system works. I havent heard anyone who voted for him complaining too much.

Have a nice day.

MP David Wilks, within a day however he quickly changed his tune. Seems Mr Harper was quick to reign in an undisiplined underling.

At some point the students in Quebec will realize that there is no such thing as a “free” education. To continue to fund through deficit financing is a fool’s paradise.

Look at the marginal tax rates in the attached chart. Sweden has a rate almost double that of Canada and Australia (mentioned above)is about 50% higher than we pay. We must decide if we want a nanny state that looks after us from cradle to grave or be more self reliant and look after some of our own needs.

http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/10442-personal-income-tax-rates.html

I would think that MP David Wilks voted for Harper, Papolu! I have no proof but, seeing as he is a sitting Conservative MP I will make that assumption.
Seems he did some complaining this week!

Conifex reported a loss for the first quarter of 2012 of $6.5 million, this in addition to a $7.5 million loss in the fourth quarter of 2011.

They stated that Conifex’s bottom line was affected by two industry-wide factors – exceptionally cold weather in January, and unusually wide discounts on low-grade sales to China.

If the Chinese market is the saving grace of the BC Lumber industry, then why are we losing money on sales??

Thanks for the link Charles.

As is not unusual, I did some number crunching of the cost of education across the country that was presented in the article.

First, Quebec tuition fee is not free.

Here is the list of the provinces of what percentage students pay on average for tuition from largest % to lowest.

1NB37%
2Ont35%
3NS32%
4BC29%
5PEI23%
6Alb20%
7Man20%
8Que17%
9Sask16%
10Newf&L9%

Here is the tuition paid for nursing, for example, from highest to lowest, which is really what students would care about:

1Alb$6,167
2NS$5,571
3Ont$5,467
4NB$5,466
5Sask$5,264
6PEI$4,950
7BC$4,159
8Man$3,784
9Newf&L$2,550
10Que$2,286

Here is what it costs to deliver the nursing education per student/year, which is the first thing taxpayers should care about:

1Sask$32,900
2Alb$30,835
3Newf&L$28,333
4PEI$21,522
5Man$18,920
6NS$17,409
7Ont$15,620
8NB$14,773
9BC$14,341
10Que$13,447

So the question has to be asked, why is there almost a 300% spread in delivery cost across the country?

As in the the Prince George cores services review, the first question which should be asked, is the service being delivered as efficiently and effective as possbile.

Value for money: Do the top three provicnes with the highest edcuation costs produce superior nurses to the bottom three?

I, for one, would love to see some answers from someone who can shed some light on that sinc a high percentage of post secondary education revenue comes from federal taxes, I believe, so we are all in this together even though education is a provincial responsibiility.

What’s up with the Helicopter fly-overs in PG on Fri. and Sat. nights ?
Is it a heat seeking grow-up finding Helicopter ?
I know they use low flying heat seeking planes down south for that purpose.
It’s nice to see PG is big enough that we deserve a Helicopter to do the job.

He was complaning about the Canadian Political System that doesnt allow elected representatives to express thier views on any given subject without the approval of the Leader.

This is pretty standard for all political parties in Canada, and is one of the main reasons we do not have any actual representation in Government. Once elected MP’s become clones. They basically get into photo ops, and help to get passports, and listen to complaints from constituents, however they cannot comment on Government policy without prior approval. Once in a while they sponsor a private members bill, to give the impression that they are hard at work.

They system sucks, but what is the alternative???

Palopu wrote: “I havent heard anyone who voted for him complaining too much.”

Hey, stretching a bit there as usual, aren’t you? How the heck come you know who voted for whom?

BTW, no one in BC voted for Harper. He was not running in a BC riding.

As far as voting for conservatives in BC. The anyone but liberals group voted NDP and Green …. remember that little fact, as you post.

Harper, now how did he get that majority? Votes, free, votes suck it up.

Australia high tax rate and they just brought in a carbon tax on a disproven science.

Did you all know that so called man caused global warming, climate change climate disruption or what ever it is called today is based on the tree rings of one cherry picked tree, yes one tree in the Yamals of northern Russia. Be happy with your carbon tax, good read here

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/24/the-sum-of-yamal-of-greater-than-its-parts/

BC results by % who voted:

Conservatives 45.5% seats 21
NDP 32.5% seats 12
Liberal 13.4% seats 2
Green 7.7% seats 1

The Conservatives got more than 50% of the popular vote in: AB, SK, MB, ….. that’s it!!!

Yes, they managed to get the seats, but a popular party they are not … nationally they satnd at 39.6% of the voters …..

So, do you wonder why he is getting hit? Wonder no more.

BTW, if the election system were to be set up proportionally, the seat distribution in BC would look like this:

cons16
ndp12
lib5
green3

Federally it would look like this, actual seats in brackets:

cons122(166)
ndp95(103)
lib59(34)
bloc20(4)
green12(1)

“Harper, now how did he get that majority?”

Good question. You see that he did not get the votes to win a majority of seats in Parliament.

He managed either by luck or by a well planned campaign to get the needed number of votes in what, for election purposes, were the key ridings.

No one ever seems to look at it that way.

“But what the hell lets blame Harper, Christy Clark, and Shari Green. That way we can make outrageous statements not backed by any facts.”

Who is WE? You and the mouse in your pocket?

BTW, I would love to see a Canadian Parliament with the seats represented as above. No party has a majority, as we had for a few years, a good representation from the Greens and the possibility of a true coalition looming over the lead party’s head and one even being formed before an election.

it’s fine just the way it is. No more gun registry thanks to the majority.

Gee, thanks for posting that Prince George. I wonder if Palopu even understands that in Canada we can have a government in power that was elected by less than 40% of the vote.

And, for the first time in recent history, a mayor in PG who did not get 50% or more of the vote.

I really thought that we lived in a country and a community where we could speak our mind, especially since some of those thought actually come from the majority voter ….

Small facts that some like to forget, obviously.

I do not have a gun ….. I have a car … I still have to register that … can we start a “no more car registry movement now, please?

After all, I do not have to register my TV.

“The Conservatives got more than 50% of the popular vote in: AB, SK, MB, ….. that’s it!!!”

One big problem for the future is Tom Mulcair has realized that the NDP have virtually nothing to loose by stabbing the west in the back.
He has divided the country in half with the “dutch disease” talk. Since Jack got the foot in the door in Quebec he sees central Canada as the new base of the NDP and screw the west…will hold a few seats from the granola crowd on the island but that is just a bonus.

I just thought about that …. maybe we still have to register cars because they kill more people each year than guns ….. like by overhelming numbers ….. ;-)

lou……….

I don’t know for sure what those helicopters were doing for those 3 days but I will tell you what I do know, it was something defiantly linked to the RCMP.

Just don’t ask how I know ;)

From the news?
http://www.classicrockcfnr.ca/index.php/news/detail/fort-saint-james-rcmp-get-funding

They could be looking for anything or anyone …..

Back to the question:

“Should one generation consume beyond its means and either expect or hope that the next generations will somehow pick up the tab?”

In nature, that is how it works. Colonies come and go. Survival of the fittest. Darwin … and all that. In the bigger scheme of things, if the next generation colony dies off, so what? Human civilizations have come and gone. Some we have a good understanding of why, others we do not.

We can plan all we like, it is the unknown connection that we missed that will eventually cause a catastrophy. In the meantime we have prolonged existence to a point where the fall at the end will be worse than all the small losses on the way combined.

Spoken as a true fatalist …. ;-)

How many of you received your property tax notice?

Under Net Other Government Taxes
2015 Canada Winter Games: $24.29
Road Rehab Reserve : $40.84

So I’m held hostage to pay for Winter games that I’ll never participate?
If they are taking tax money off of me and every other home owner for roads then why are they in the state that they are in?
Hey City you need to go around and check out the potholes that are around the man holes, that would be a case against you.

Allow me to be most hypothetical. VERY hypothetical. On the west coast of the Queen Charlotte Islands we have a massive size of debris (an understatement to be sure) encroaching the shoreline. For a long time to come. My idea would be, to deal with this is to start immediately building a “debris burning electrical power plant” on the west coast. A few mile long “boat ramps’ all along the coastline connected with a road to pull the debris out of the water and truck it nearby to the power plant for burning. What can’t be burnt can or could be recycled. The funds received from electrical production and sale could help defray some costs. This debris accumulation would take many years to consume. Your guess is as good as mine. State of the art furnaces to reduce ash to a minimum. I am old enough to realize that if we go through proper channels to do anything on this scale it will take more than ten years of bureaucracy to accomplish. So what we do is hire a guy for $1 dollar a year to get this establishment up and running. almost immediately. Who? Maybe a clone of C.D. Howe. Google him up and see how he helped our country during the Second World War. In closing, I look forward to having my ideas poo pooed. And they, (the poo pooers) of course can share their solution with others like I did. Times a wastin’, pal.

PS A few unskilled jobs may be available. No apprenticeships needed fer pulling garbage out of the water.

I like your idea Harb, except for the no apprenticeship part. They will quickly unionize, change thier name to “Oceanic Waste Technicians” and demand $38.00 per hour ;-)

hammy: “How many of you received your property tax notice?

Under Net Other Government Taxes
2015 Canada Winter Games: $24.29
Road Rehab Reserve : $40.84

So I’m held hostage to pay for Winter games that I’ll never participate?”

Here’s a newsflash for you. A good portion of your taxes go to things you might not ‘participate’ in directly. This comes from living in a quasi-socialist country like Canada.

The Canadian Tenors show last night at CN Centre was one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen. Standing O’s after every song; tons of tears after they thoughtfully dedicated a song (and lots of tickets) to lakeland mills families; crowd going wild with the emotion and great feelings throughout the night. These guys have performed for the Queen, with Stevie Wonder, Celine Dion, David Foster, been on Oprah, and travelled the world. Very cool that they were in PG last night. By the way, they loved our City…didn’t seem to focus on potholes – just the lovely people here and beautiful scenery everywhere.

On the other hand, if my idea is dismissed out of hand, we can at least just wish it away. Carry on.

“This comes from living in a quasi-socialist country like Canada.”

LOL ….. and the take-away from that is that only socialist countries and quasi socialist countries gather money from people and spend it on things that some of those people do not agree with?

And you live on this earth or are you from sme utopian planet?

I buy a ticket to go to a movie. Do you think I agree with where the money I pay is being spent?

Your idea may have some merit after a few details are worked out on the way to implementation.

To start with I would suggest also considering a floating plant that can move along the whole coastline of Canada and the USA since both will get the debris.

Whether floating or not, the method of “garthering” the debris will likely be the key to an effective operation.

Where is “Relic” when we need him? :-)

Another way is to clean up the patch before the bulk of it reaches shore.

http://www.speakupforblue.com/in-ocean-news/what-do-you-do-when-18m-tons-of-plastic-arrive-on-your-coast

We need some ships with scoops in the front and/or sides to scoop it into the hold. Any fish caught that way are a bonus ….. ;-)

In Canada the party that gets the most seats forms the Government. That is the way it is. It matters little if you take the three other parties and add up the total number of votes they received, and then state that the majority of people did not vote for Harper. That is a mugs game that is always played by those who lost the election.

If you carried Gus’s comments to their natural conclusion, then we would have to take into consideration the 50% of the eligible voters who did not vote. Then we could say that the majority of people in Canada did not support any party. We could go even further and state that since the majority of people did not support any party, all parties should be deep sixed, and those people (the majority who didnt vote) should run the Country..

Fact of the matter is.

1. Harper is the Prime Minister.

2. The Conservatives will be with us for at least another three years.

3. There is no shortage of crying towels for those who lost the election, or the HST.

4. Hockey is not Canada’s national sport, and a very small number of people actually watch the game.

5. The Winter games are nothing more than the Governments way of trying to make you feel good by spending our tax dollars on fun and games.

6. Contrary to the popular beleive of the left leaning socialists among us, we are overtaxed, for the services we receive. Our tax dollars are wasted by those in charge, who, for the most part are not necessarily the best people to be minding our money.

7. Those who think we have a fair and just tax system, and who favour such stupid taxes as the HST are either connected to large corporations, or business, or are on the payroll of some sort of Government entity. Those against the tax are the ones who have to pay it.

gus: “LOL ….. and the take-away from that is that only socialist countries and quasi socialist countries gather money from people and spend it on things that some of those people do not agree with?

And you live on this earth or are you from sme utopian planet?”

Wow. Calm down my friend. Don’t hurt yourself jumping to conclusions.

On another topic, I love it when Palopu uses the phrase “Fact of the matter is…” and then rattles off a bunch of opinions.

…with the exception of #1, of course.

Well, you were not very forthcoming with waht you meant with that throw away sentence at the end of your post. The post would have been great and very accurate without that last sentence.

The last sentence, however leads to questions which are not self-evident from your statement. I would think it would lead some to wonder what you meant, and others to go one way on the meaning and some the other way.

And, of course, others with a “who cares” attitude.

“The post would have been great and very accurate without that last sentence.”

I appreciate your critique. You’re of course entitled to your opinion. As you may have guessed, I’m not here to please anyone or seek acceptance over what I post.

Have a great weekend.

“I appreciate your critique. You’re of course entitled to your opinion. As you may have guessed, I’m not here to please anyone or seek acceptance over what I post.”

Hey, likewise! We agree! :-)

^5 on the weekend too.

Palopu. I hope you realize that the words you wrote I was referring to were: “I havent heard anyone who voted for him complaining too much.”

I was merely pointing out that under the Canadian system, and I can say with reasonable certainty these are facts:

1. The general population does not vote for the prime minister. The party members vote for the leader of the party who may become the prime minister if his/her party gets the most seats in parliament.

2. A person can get elected without a majority vote (50+1 percent) in the riding.

3. A party can become the ruling party in the House without a majority popular vote.

4. No one knows how an individual voted.

Thus, the words I quoted from you make no sense. In fact there are fewer who voted for the party members in the country as well as BC than there are people who voted for others.

So, it stands to reason that unless people have changed their minds, one would hear more complaints than accolades if everyone were to remain true to the way they voted.

Hey Palopu, are you a Libertarian?

Palopu wrote: “Hockey is not Canada’s national sport, and a very small number of people actually watch the game.”

There you go. In order to be the named sport or named leader, popularity is not a pre-requisite. That proves it right there one more time.

More people play and watch hockey in Canada than Lacrosse. Yet Lacrosse is the national sport.

More people support others for a leader, yet Harper is the leader.

We are a country which cannot make up its mind … we are, in fact, Canadians to the core …… LOL

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/04/27/harpers-popularity-in-dramatic-fall-since-february-poll

“When Canadians were asked two months ago to name the federal leader they believed to be the most competent, 38.1 per cent said Mr. Harper. In the latest poll, that score dropped to 24.2 per cent. When asked which leader they trust, 31.7 per cent said Mr. Harper in February compared to just 20 per cent in April.”

Just because one is sitting at the desk where the buck stops, does not mean that one is popular ……

Trudeau … now there was a popular leader …. for a while … ;-)

Leaders come and leaders go …. some actually never quite come ….. like Joe Clark and Harper …. LOL

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/trudeau-still-considered-best-pm-harper-making-gains-204413448.html

1. 36 per cent of respondents said Trudeau has been the best prime minister, since 1968,

2. Stephen Harper with 19 per cent of the votes,

3. Jean Chretien with 12 per cent, and

4. Brian Mulroney with 6 per cent.

That was in August of 2011 …. Harper does not even stand a chance…… he would have to do a 200% improvement ….

Actually Pap and Gus,

Hockey is considered the national winter game while lacrosse is considered the national summer game.

All done through parliament.

Some people are confused, there is a gun registry, handguns, always has been from the 1930’s.

Just how does a gun registry prevent gun deaths?

Did ya now that a permit is required to buy a gun, there is the control, not a registry.

Education should be the priority of any government but it ends upthat we get submarines ans aircraft for our tax dollars. Does that make sence.?

There is nothing socialist about free education. Its about a vision for our future. But then its an elitest attitude that only the rich can afford an eduction nd the hell with the rest.thats where we are today.
Cheers

Education is a priority in Canada. Just look at the amount of money spent on education each year.

Then look at what you get for the money spent, and ask yourself., Was it worth the cost.??

Education is now a retirement program for teachers. Students do not want to work very hard,but they want the degree.

Education has been a political football for many many years all over North America. In the 50’s and 60’s women went to Universitys to get a husband. The elite went to get connected. The average Joe went to get an education.

We have more educated people than we have jobs for educated people,so we have over educated people on jobs that do not require a university education. For some higher education is a way to avoid going to work for another 5 or 10 years. These are referred to as professional students.

Have a nice day.

You just didnt read my. You have this preconcived idea that its the teachers are the problems in our schools. I’m sure you are aware of the fact that in PGol thesyst school board had to chop over two million from the budget.

And if we pay our teachers 40,50 or 60 thousand its money that stays in our community. Our senior levels of government are just looking after their freinds in business and most of that goes out of the country.

Come on Pal get over this idea that those who work for a living are out to screw the tax payer or are over educated when as you are aware of the waste in even local government.
Cheers

barrel of oil fot those that .think the price of a barrel of oil is related to the price of gas think again. There is no connection.The Price of oil is set by the stock market and th price of gas is set by the refinery.
Cheers

Retired, ever wonder where the Refinery gets the oil?

With over 20 Schools closed in School Dist 57 in the past 15 years one would think that it was only natural that you would have less teachers, and that you would reduce your education budget.

The real question is. With the school closures and the reduction in the School Budget, why was there not a corresponding reduction in our school taxes????

Where did the money go????

Thanks Howard_B … I did not know that .. looks like it was enacted 18 years ago …. seems like an afterthought …

http://www.pch.gc.ca/pgm/sc/legsltn/n-16-eng.cfm

“The game commonly known as ice hockey is hereby recognized and declared to be the national winter sport of Canada and the game commonly known as lacrosse is hereby recognized and declared to be the national summer sport of Canada.”

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Lacrosse is also the state team sport of Maryland. The individual state sport of Maryland is jousting …. now that takes me back to the goode olde daegs

Todd very few doubt the climate is changing, it is always changing. Do you believe it stays static? Yes C02 has gone up but less than 4% of that change is human caused, you left that part out, why?

There is no empirical science proving a relationship between C02 and climate change despite over 100 billion being spent.

Surface temperatures have been shown to be adjusted to agree with computer programs which are used to try a prove man caused climate change, computers programs. Since these programs don’t match real world observations, the surface temperature records are adjusted to match the programs, you left that out also.

Man caused climate change is based on the rings of one tree in northern Russia, talk about cherry picking.

Todd here is some required reading http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/24/the-sum-of-yamal-of-greater-than-its-parts/