Congrats to Bond for upping the “conversation”. But the response that “cahnges need to take place” is simply unacceptabel.

For God’s sake, fire the guy!!!! We do not want him and neither should any other province. What is wrong with our system????

What exactly is the problem? This guy felow and others like him deserves no respect and should be retired to pasture with the least retirement package possible.

Can’t he get his credibility and integrity back in ‘Ghanistan or some other country, adviser to police in Siberia?

So the RCMP are kind of like another large “old boys club”…..the catholic church. Instead of really dealing with bad apple employees, they just get transfered to another community.

Sure, and let the “clean” image of the RCMP be tarnished world-wide.

We need this problem to be faced and dealt with properly in this country before we send any of that group out of this country for anything!

The entire “macho” people within the RCMP, and I am sure that includes some of the females as well, need to get a mindset change.

I suspect it starts right at the selecdtion process, reinforced at the depot, and accepted as part of the “culture” of the organization.

The place needs to have the weeds plucked right from the very roots.

So where these female co-workers forced to have booze and sex with him? Where they disciplined for these acts in the work place? Curious.

Good analogy middle finger.

In the armed forces one gets a dishonourable discharge, or is that just an impression I have?

Seamutt … you need to get a mindset change as well.

You are part of the problem rather than part of the solution if you do not understand harassment of any kind in the workplace and what it is, especially the part when it deals with a superior over a junior. Intimidation becomes a factor.

‘Ganistan? Really? You saved a lot of time leaving out the Af.

I have to agree with Shirley Bond on this one.

Exactly RUEZ! Shift-apostrophe-ghanistan is way faster. Now excuse me while I go program “911” into my phone as “#47”. Just in case of emergency.

Ruez, my guess is that you haven’t been to ‘Ghanistan.
Gus, I agree that we should take care of our own “In Country”, I believe he should have been fired. Shirley did the right thing bringing it up with Commissioner Paulson, hope he’ll do the right thing and tell the guy to resign.
Thanks, Interceptor.

LOOL Nope they gave him a promotion to a federal building instead of a detachment and are “keeping an eye” on him!! The RCMP IS A NATIONAL DISGRACE, people need to start speaking up.

First dirty oil from alburrta, now dirty cops, whats next, dirty laundry? We will soon have lots of chinese laundromats with all the china junkets by our esteemed elected.

I am usually first to defend the cops, but I think it’s ludicrous that it’s virtually impossible for a member of the RCMP to be fired, no matter what he or she does.

These bad ones make all the good ones look bad.

The appropriate officer in alberta can appeal the decision of the disciplinary board within a certain time frame, to the commissioner of the force. It is the way the process has to be done. Its a matter of due course which everyone has a right to.

So if I am caught getting female employees drunk while at work and having sex with them, then get fired, I would get to appeal that to the labour board? Good luck with that.

The answere is simple. There has to be an independant investigative and sentancing body separate from the RCMP establishment. When I was in the military if a soldier was convicted of any wrong doing that soldier was first sentanced under military law and if it was severe enough he would be sentanced under civilian law. The RCMP should recieve the same treatment. If there is no seperate independant investigatgive and sentancing then I have no respect for the RCMP.

I wonder if he, or the girls, had a stapler close by.

Gus, I took Seamutt’s question to ask what about the women as – “were they fired?”. Quite often the women or junior as you called them are fired and the superior just gets a slap of the wrist. I saw it happen where I worked were a superior and a junior dated against company policy. The superior was kept on as he was too important to fire and the junior was fired.

I can’t believe how fast the RCMP is going down hill. Maybe they recruits should go back to mucking out the horse stalls. A retired RCMP said that he walked into the traing depo thinking he was a big shot but after they were all had to clean out the horses stalls they had the chip of their shoulder knocked off. He said that they were taught to “serve & protect”. He said the years later the new officers he was sent swaggered in if they never were taught “serve & protect”. It was almost like they were taught that they were important and the rest were dirt under their feet.

Gus Gus Gus I am curious to the going on’s. I have seen enough crap in the work place from both sides to be critical. Go back to your women’s studies.

I have had enough of the women always the victim. They play the game also, maybe even more so.

Seamutt …..

Read the 4th post from the top.

I wrote the following in it: “The entire “macho” people within the RCMP, and I am sure that includes some of the females as well, need to get a mindset change.”

You, seamutt, need to learn how to read and not always go for the red cape like a bull. I assume you have a superior brain to a bull.

But, sometimes, my assumption are proven wrong.

Anyone who has ever been in a position of supervising others who are in a postion of authority, whether it was authority of fellow workers, students, vounteers, patients, incarcerated people, male, female, it does not matter, should understand how these matters need to be dealt with in today’s society.

The key to it all is “power” which may be espressed sexually or otherwise, as we saw in the famous local case with the RCMP and civilian employees.

I am starting to get fed up with your ad hominem attacks thrown in way to often, seamutt. Time to cool it!!!!

“Asked what he would say to female officers who might be concerned about working with Sgt Ray, Commissioner Callens said: “They need not be afraid. I will not place any employee in a position where they are afraid to come to work or be at work.”

that was reported here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/alberta-mountie-reprimanded-for-sleeping-with-subordinates-reasigned-to-bc/article2443087

That tells me that Callens does not get it either!

His answer should NOT have been “they need not be afraid”.

An appropriate answer to the question is simple. “I will not place Ray in a work environment which includes female staff”

Ray admitted that over a three-year period:

1. he had sex with subordinates,

2. drank with them at work

3. sexually harassed them.

He also was found to have used his position to favour female potential employees.

So, this is all just standard practice in Seamutt’s workplace.

If your supervisor says “okay, it’s time to take a break, let’s sit down and have a drink” .. you tell him what? “sorry, I do not drink on the job.”

And what kind of fantasy world do you live in Seamutt?

Or was this a case of “hey Don, why don’t we relax for a while and have a drink together before getting back to work. You are such a workaholic you need to learn to enjoy life a bit.”

I am starting to get fed up with your ad hominem attacks thrown in way to often, seamutt. Time to cool it!!!!

Gus I just call it as I see it,I don’t know the happy world you live in.

Chill out dude, you are going to blow a gasket.

Don’t like what I say, tough sh… I suggest you tone it down.