Apprentice pipeline inspectors on the job training:

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/432/cache/arctic-wildlife-pipeline-bear-family-pipe_43268_600x450.jpg?01AD=3zqjZRjZayRWlZmA22E8YCb26N3q9U2uBw8QqUwcJkWHvLdU6BQX7aw&01RI=A199BC00302F225&01NA=na

Pipeline inspector supervisor:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Alaska_Pipeline_and_caribou.jpg/250px-Alaska_Pipeline_and_caribou.jpg

the Liberals are so pathetic they missed the deadline by a mile to give evidence the feds did and the Alberta government did but they want the project but the BC government who knows what they want.The people dont want it.The pipeline is dead the Clark Liberals are dead !

On the Global news tonight the BC Legislature correspondent said the BC Gov’t will not be picking a side tomorrow.

Why would they pick a side..?! Win win if they chose to go with a decision like that. This gov’t is no good.

If Enbridge is so sure that the people of B.C. are in favour why doesn’t Enbridge offer to pay for a province wide binding referendum?

The Liberals will make whatever statements they can, that will do them the least damage before the next election. If they were to be elected (God forbid) then of course they would have a very different postion.

The Liberals or, as some call them the Coalitionists are very friendly to business, and will do whatever they can to please them. On the other hand, when it comes to every day citizens they have a reputation of whizzing on them. I dont see that changing anytime soon

I seriously doubt if the NDP, or the Conservatives have anything to offer, so we have a problem. The next election is going to be a bloody mess, and the Province and its Citizens are going to be the big losers.

We can thank Campbell, Hansen, and their stupid HST fiasco, for most of the problem.

The balance of the Ministers went along for the ride, so they should all resign. At least with all that rats gone, the ship might stay afloat.

25,000 signatures of unknown origin on an against petition contributing zero dollars to BC economy

31,500 known BC workers with oil sands related employment $28 billion revenue to BC economy

The Canadian government’s share of tax revenues over 25 years will be $311 billion

Employment in Canada due to the oil sands is expected to grow from 75,000 jobs in 2010 to 905,000 jobs in 2035. Contributing to our Canada Pension Plan

Tough decision eh?

I may be posting prematurely – havent read all of the details; pipelines don’t fail – they are built of high quality, tested materials briefing approximately 3″ thick carbon steel. What fails is the preventative maintenance and maintenance of these systems. What is the proposal from Enbridge on these new systems? Meter balancing, smart pigging, etc. are only a few VERY ELEMENTARY options out there which will severely decrease the liklihood of such failures. Are these details available to the public? How thoroughly do the regulatory agencies actually follow through on investigating all of these precautions are in fact taking place? How steep are the fines if any of these PM’s are missed by the owner operator?

Ecotruth

Are your statistics today or if we allow this admittedely unsafe pipeline?

Talk about too little too late. Who cares what the BC Liberals think about this, they aren’t even involved in the decision process anymore. They’re truly just lame ducks.

The Shell LNG plant in Kitimat is expected to contribute 600 billion to the B.C. Government over 25 years.

311 billion to the Canadian goverment from the Enbridge pipeline being built is miniscule by comparison.

The figure thrown out for revenues to B.C. is 1.2 billion over 30 years. Why would any government even consider it?

The Shell LNG plant in Kitimat is expected to contribute 600 billion to the B.C. Government over 25 years.

311 billion to the Canadian goverment from the Enbridge pipeline being built is miniscule by comparison.

The figure thrown out for revenues to B.C. is 1.2 billion over 30 years. Why would any government even consider it?

What exactly do you mean by 31,500 oil sands related employment? Flipping burgers and selling them to a foreign or alberta oil worker doesn’t count. Who cars if Canada benefits by 311 billion over 35 years…the rest of Canada isn’t taking any risk. BC should benefit by 300 billion and let the rest of Canada fight over the remaining 11 billion.

The Winter Games is expected to generate $90 million plus to the local economy …. depending on where, when and from whom one hears that information.

Put on an event like that in BC every second year over a period of 30 years and it will generate 15 x $90million = $1.35 billion directly to the people who need it.

And one spill will cost how much?

For McMurray is there only because of the oilsands …. so all those living in that city are oil sands related .. bankers, nurses, snow removers, gas sation attendants … and yes, the odd burger flipper or two ……

Wood Buffalo had a 2010 population of 104,338 with a growth of 101% since 2000.

Fort McMurray had a 2010 population of 76,797 with a growth of 80% since 2000.

The work camps had a 2010 population of 23,325, an increase of 295% since 2000. (there was a decline of 11% from 2008 to 2010)

http://www.woodbuffalo.ab.ca/Assets/Corporate/Census+Reports/2010+Municipal+Census.pdf

I would think that most, if not all, of the work camp residents are oilsands related workers. If there are 31,500 oil sands related woerkers, and most o the residents are single workers without families living there, then 75% of the oilsands workers live in those camps….

Work camp info:
http://www.woodbuffalo.net/LMN4122009.html

A woman’s point of view at a 90%+ male enclave
http://theoldfortamusingfromtheoilsands.blogspot.ca/2012/03/work-camps-of-fort-mcmurray-by-lindsay.html

an excerpt ….

The camps are not trying to emulate small towns. Rather, they reinforce a sense of estrangement from the immediate surroundings; rules about what personal items are allowed are many and domestic comforts are few.

Meal times are set, quiet hours are enforced and any unusual activities are investigated by the security guards.

Most workers are on a rotational schedule, working six weeks at a time, before being flown–at company expense–to their home territory for two.

Due to intense overcrowding, many camps have adopted what is known as “hotel-style service.” Employees check into a camp room for their shift and leave with all their belongings at the end, effectively forcing them to live out of a suitcase.

Company policy states that “this emphasizes that our workers are on-site to work,” and not to establish any type of home within the camp.

So those then re the famus locations which have a high percentage of “guest” workers from oher lands, I assume. At least, that is the stories which are being told.

Ecotruth, give it up dude, Enbridge is dead…Canada imports 877,000 barrels per day to Eastern Canada.

Ship Alberta crud oil east,..

877,000 barrels at $100 is $87 million per day …

$87 million times 365 days equals a staggering…

$31.755 billion dollars per year…

There is Enbridge`s answer, Alberta`s answer, and Harper`s answer.

That also eliminates Canada`s dependence on unethical oil.

Ecotruth, you are so obviously an Enbridge troll.

Enbridge should save their money, pipeline west to Kitimat is dead, and if Harper falls over so-be-it

Like I said before, Canada oil whores will have to return China`s grease the skids money.

Life sucks eh Enbridge, British Columbia is not Alberta, we aren`t rubes, clean water, plentiful fish and tourism.

Cheers

So to provide a bit more detail, shall we call it, to ET’s post about who will benefit based on the projections of developing the oil sand over the next 25 or so years.

The Canadian Energy Research Institute (CERI) projects oil sands development will contribute $2.1 trillion to the Canadian economy between 2010 and 2035 — or about $84 billion per year. Among CERI’s projections:

•The Canadian government’s share of tax revenues over 25 years will be $311 billion, compared to $105 billion for Alberta. As the owner of the resource, Alberta will receive an additional $350 billion in royalties.

•Employment in Canada due to the oil sands is expected to grow from 75,000 jobs in 2010 to 905,000 jobs in 2035, with 126,000 of those jobs sourced outside Alberta (this includes direct, indirect and induced, and encompasses both full-time and part-time jobs).

•The oil sands industry is expected to purchase an estimated $117 billion in supplies and services from Canadian provinces outside Alberta over the next 25 years.

the source document is:
[url]http://www.nexeninc.com/en/ResponsibleDevelopment/EconomicBenefits/SidebarOilSands.aspx[url]

So,

1. the feds get $12.5 billion in taxes per year

2. Alberta gets 18.2 billion in taxes and royalties per year

3. The rest of Canada is not mentioned … stand outside the doors of Parliament to line uop with hand out.

4. Of the 905,000 supposed jobs, a whopping 126,000 will be sourced outside of Alberta.

As to what the numbrs mean: “this includes direct, indirect and induced, and encompasses both full-time and part-time jobs”. So the guy who processed the passports for the Chinese workers passing through the Vancouver port of entry is one of those induced jobs.

http://www.nexeninc.com/en/ResponsibleDevelopment/EconomicBenefits/SidebarOilSands.aspx

It doesn’t matter what Christy says. Palopu is right, the next election is going to be a bloody mess.

So what happens if this pipeline is approved by the Feds? You guys gonna get off your computers (made using ‘dirty oil’) and do something? Maybe make a few threats? I’m interested.

Harper is history, fact, voters will take care of facism whores.

BC facist Liberals, historeeeeee, maybe 4 MLAs.

China can get the 877,000 barrels Canada imports everyday from unethical sources, problem solved Johnny..

You lose. Harper loses, BC Liberals are already lost.

British Columbia is painted orange

The question about statistics B.C. oil sands jobs and economic benefits reference http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/business/story.html?id=6231047

The report referenced also said this:

“Under a 65-year contract signed in 1969, Quebec buys at bargain prices all of Newfoundland’s Upper Churchill hydroelectricity at the provincial boundary, reselling it to U.S. markets at much higher prices and pocketing all profits — while Newfoundlanders seethe.”

Deja vue to what the Bloc Orange led by a dual Québécois/French citizen whom maintains Quebec is an indepedent nation is trying now to do the same thing with Alberta’s oil as Quebec did with Newfoundland’s hydro. The NDP co-conspirators are trying to make Canadians believe the only safe pipeline for Alberta’s oil has to go east through to Quebec for them to buy at a bargain price. Once Gateway is built Alberta would get a better price by selling it to Asia through BC and BC gets the jobs both at home, and next door, economic benefits and port facilities to sell her natural gas.

Although Alberta still gets something with lower NDP induced prices in order for Quebec nationalized energy companies to sell at higher mark up. BC gets zero jobs, zero economic benefits with the NDP plan if the Gateway is cancelled because all the oilsands will head east, and south instead, along with related employment, and economic benefits.

Statements by other anti-Western Canadian agents about LNG shipping out of Kitimat is meant to bait and switch the current issue about BC remaining penniless without Gateway being built for the following reasons:

1)The US DOE has documented that there is approximately 2,000 years worth of natural gas in the form of methane hydrates laying under the ocean floor and northern hemisphere permafrost in the top third of Earths nothern hemisphere, enough to support 8 billion people.

2) Currently there is a natural gas pipeline being built down from Russia’s Siberia through Mongolia to supply the interior of Asia. There are massive amounts of methane hydrates off the coast of China all that is required for the hydrates is a scientific break through. Siberia has lots of known natural gas reserves but very little oil.

3) The highest market value in hydrocarbons is synthetic oil right now, and will stay that way well into the forseeable future.There still is mid market value in methane but this value may go lower if both the Siberian pipeline is completed and a methane hydrate breakthrough occurs and Asia can economically start mining the “ice that burns”.

4) If Gateway is cancelled India and China will simply increase their production of synthetic oil with building more and bigger coal gasification plants without Best Available Control Technologies pollution abatement because they are considered developing countries and therefore are exempt from the UN IPCC regulations.

5) With a rapid increase in coal to synthetic oil gasification the Asian “brown cloud” atmospheric pollutant transport will increase the amount of sulphur dioxide causing acid rain, arsenic, particulate matter, nitrogen oxides and mercury already falling on BC daily. The mercury changes into methyl mercury which then gets into our food chain especially fish, and there’s reports of arsenic showing up in the drinking water on BC’s South West Coast and islands. These pollutants if unabated blowing across the Pacific are expected to increase BC Healthcare costs anywhere between 8 to 10 times what they are today. The pollutants from Asia are polluting our fisheries, forests, and drinking water already.

5) Coal contains a lower amount of energy than oil, two to three times more coal has to be gasified to equal same amount of energy Canadian oil shipped through Gateway contains. Extra coal has to be burned in the manufacturing process which in turn will quadruble the amount of green house gas pollutants per refined liter of gasoline compared to Gateway shipped oil. The Asian developing countries are under no obligation to reduce their green house gas pollutants either.

6) Liquified Natural Gas plants require copius amounts of electricity to refrigerate and liquidfy the methane, contrary to the pop-sci theologians view of wind power the B.C. Site C dam has to be built which is going to take at least 8 years. The site C hydroelectric dam is next on the list of the Bloc Orange “hit list” to free themselves from their perceived view of British Colonial rule. Hydro Quebec is just finishing off their 20th hydro dam and is looking for long term customers such as LNG plants, and Quebec is charging the lowest royalty rate for their natural gas and minerals than anywhere in Canada.

7) BC similar to Quebec needs a big LNG customer to stabilize hydroelectricity costs to attract mineral mines development. In other words no Site C dam built, no LNG or mines built in BC. There might be a very slim chance of building natural gas power generators at the LNG plant itself but the chances are no pipeline company in the world is going to get involved with anything new in BC after the Gateway harassment.

8) If the Gateway is stopped then any planning , engineering, volume materials procurement, shipping facilities, harbour development terminals for LNG stops as well because both types of hydrocarbon pipelines, and shipping port facilities have commonalities.

9) If Gateway is shelved then the oil sands development will not need as much natural gas as planned right away, which in turn means little market availability for BC natural gas developments because there will be no large volume customers nearby and no infrastructure in place to serve distant markets.

Deal with it Dow7500.

You and the Flucking BC Liberals are dead, Harper is a walking corpse too.

Get used to it.

Premier Adrian Dix

Prime Minster Thomas Maulcair

Dow 7500…Out of luck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gXaYZVGw44&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlnri_scklA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=dOKmeV-sBEU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxrC7akwGsI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9N-VR7QOQc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKVRuelvJ-s&feature=player_embedded#!

The question about statistics B.C. oil sands jobs and economic benefits reference http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/business/story.html?id=6231047

The report referenced also said this:

“Under a 65-year contract signed in 1969, Quebec buys at bargain prices all of Newfoundland’s Upper Churchill hydroelectricity at the provincial boundary, reselling it to U.S. markets at much higher prices and pocketing all profits — while Newfoundlanders seethe.”

Deja vue to what the Bloc Orange led by a dual Québécois/French citizen whom maintains Quebec is an indepedent nation is trying now to do the same thing with Alberta’s oil as Quebec did with Newfoundland’s hydro. The NDP co-conspirators are trying to make Canadians believe the only safe pipeline for Alberta’s oil has to go east through to Quebec for them to buy at a bargain price. Once Gateway is built Alberta would get a better price by selling it to Asia through BC and BC gets the jobs both at home, and next door, economic benefits and port facilities to sell her natural gas.

Although Alberta still gets something with lower NDP induced prices in order for Quebec nationalized energy companies to sell at higher mark up. BC gets zero jobs, zero economic benefits with the NDP plan if the Gateway is cancelled because all the oilsands will head east, and south instead, along with related employment, and economic benefits.

Statements by other anti-Western Canadian agents about LNG shipping out of Kitimat is meant to bait and switch the current issue about BC remaining penniless without Gateway being built for the following reasons:

1)The US DOE has documented that there is approximately 2,000 years worth of natural gas in the form of methane hydrates laying under the ocean floor and northern hemisphere permafrost in the top third of Earths nothern hemisphere, enough to support 8 billion people.

2) Currently there is a natural gas pipeline being built down from Russia’s Siberia through Mongolia to supply the interior of Asia. There are massive amounts of methane hydrates off the coast of China all that is required for the hydrates is a scientific break through. Siberia has lots of known natural gas reserves but very little oil.

3) The highest market value in hydrocarbons is synthetic oil right now, and will stay that way well into the forseeable future.There still is mid market value in methane but this value may go lower if both the Siberian pipeline is completed and a methane hydrate breakthrough occurs and Asia can economically start mining the “ice that burns”.

4) If Gateway is cancelled India and China will simply increase their production of synthetic oil with building more and bigger coal gasification plants without Best Available Control Technologies pollution abatement because they are considered developing countries and therefore are exempt from the UN IPCC regulations.

5) With a rapid increase in coal to synthetic oil gasification the Asian “brown cloud” atmospheric pollutant transport will increase the amount of sulphur dioxide causing acid rain, arsenic, particulate matter, nitrogen oxides and mercury already falling on BC daily. The mercury changes into methyl mercury which then gets into our food chain especially fish, and there’s reports of arsenic showing up in the drinking water on BC’s South West Coast and islands. These pollutants if unabated blowing across the Pacific are expected to increase BC Healthcare costs anywhere between 8 to 10 times what they are today. The pollutants from Asia are polluting our fisheries, forests, and drinking water already.

5) Coal contains a lower amount of energy than oil, two to three times more coal has to be gasified to equal same amount of energy Canadian oil shipped through Gateway contains. Extra coal has to be burned in the manufacturing process which in turn will quadruble the amount of green house gas pollutants per refined liter of gasoline compared to Gateway shipped oil. The Asian developing countries are under no obligation to reduce their green house gas pollutants either.

6) Liquified Natural Gas plants require copius amounts of electricity to refrigerate and liquidfy the methane, contrary to the pop-sci theologians view of wind power the B.C. Site C dam has to be built which is going to take at least 8 years. The site C hydroelectric dam is next on the list of the Bloc Orange “hit list” to free themselves from their perceived view of British Colonial rule. Hydro Quebec is just finishing off their 20th hydro dam and is looking for long term customers such as LNG plants, and Quebec is charging the lowest royalty rate for their natural gas and minerals than anywhere in Canada.

7) BC similar to Quebec needs a big LNG customer to stabilize hydroelectricity costs to attract mineral mines development. In other words no Site C dam built, no LNG or mines built in BC. There might be a very slim chance of building natural gas power generators at the LNG plant itself but the chances are no pipeline company in the world is going to get involved with anything new in BC after the Gateway harassment.

8) If the Gateway is stopped then any planning , engineering, volume materials procurement, shipping facilities, harbour development terminals for LNG stops as well because both types of hydrocarbon pipelines, and shipping port facilities have commonalities.

9) If Gateway is shelved then the oil sands development will not need as much natural gas as planned right away, which in turn means little market availability for BC natural gas developments because there will be no large volume customers nearby and no infrastructure in place to serve distant markets.

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/01/canadians-awaken-to-harpers-involvement.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/02/enbridge-uses-intimidation-money-and.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2009/11/it-cant-happen-again-can-it.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2011/12/merry-christmas-enbridge-effing.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/01/enbridge-northern-gateway-pipeline-will.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/01/stephen-harper-assists-in-environmental.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/01/enbridge-northern-gateway-pipeline-will.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/01/enbridge-will-kill-british-columbia.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2012/01/british-colubias-beautiful-nirthern.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2011/12/enbridge-attempts-to-hoodwink-british.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2011/12/climate-pollution-scam-is-overproblem.html

http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.ca/2011/12/enbridge-inc-are-criminals-period.html

Thicker pipes,more valves better monitoring are all very good ideas but I will be very impressed when they can predict when and where rock slides,mudslides and avalanches will happen.We try so hard to control nature but we always fail in one way or another.
Too much risk

If these big oil companies are really planning for the future as they say ,why not take all the money from this project and develope alternative fuel sources,to me that would be planning for the future.

Nice spin Ecotruth so we will be to blame for other countries actions.Countries and corporations will say and do what they need to get what they want.Enough said.

Criminal!

Does your party have a lot of members (and a leader, policy makers) who share your views/rants?

Yes? Scary.

Must reads
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/01/13/terry-glavin-canada-sells-the-oilsands-to-china-then-complains-about-foreign-interference/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2010/06/22/spying-csis.html

Dix and Thomas in power. Your out of work and your owe more on your house than it is worth.

Dix and Thomas in power. Your out of work and your owe more on your house than it is worth.

However saying this,

Christy, you have single handedly destroyed a party by not standing up and being heard. How spineless are you not standing up and speaking. I was a liberal supporter, but you plain too spineless.

Fully agree with you, He spoke! If you don’t stand up for something you are not standing up for anything. In politics once you miss all the opportunities that presented themselves – you are history!

BTW, we STILL have the HST! Unreal!

Whatever did BC do before the oilsands? Did we not have any employment or industry that could stand on its’ own without the proposed pipeline? Just because it means billions of dollars to everyone BUT BC doesn’t mean we should just jump into lockstep with the rest of the nation.

Projected numbers of jobs and royalties doesn’t seem to be enough to gain the support of a lot of and perhaps the majority of Canadians or the people of BC to allow these pipelines. Assuming the environmental issues could be made to be seen by most as adequately addressed, then the issue remains as to the economic benefits of having these pipelines built.

Why is it that all other energy producing and energy exporting superpowers see the values of their energy wealth being DIRECTLY distributed to their own people? Hugo Chavez was made out to be quack by the oil bribed US government when in fact he was looking after his own people and country’s economic interests. Do we have any political representatives that are that smart in this country? Apparently not.

Why is it that Canada and BC just ignore this and stick their heads in the sands..oilsands to be exact? If the ballooning revenues and royalties which our energy sector is supposed to generate from all this expansion then why not lower taxes that Canadian consumers pay in energy taxes? Just say that fuel taxes went down by 25 or 50% and what that would do to the disposable income which would further stimulate our economy?
Why is it that our government claims to “get out of our pockets” and “lower taxes” and yet does not lower taxes on energy? If governments want the support for these projects then they should give the incentives which are due to their voters and the shareholders of Canada rather than the shareholders of these oil and gas companies who run the world’s economy and makes slaves out of us.

If the oil and gas giants are going to see the increases to their productions, the increases to their sales prices, the likely reductions to their production costs, and all that from dramatically increased market access then why is it they cannot share that wealth with the people of Canada by reducing domestic prices for the energy which Canadians use? Canadians deserve some sort of incentives to this mass exploitation of this precious resource. Canadians also deserve some sort of protections from the market manipulations that occur everyday in this country that ends up costing us more than we should even have to pay now. Manipulations of fuel shortages and retail price fixing and stories of supply and demand problems which are all used to hose the Canadian energy consumer. This globally dominating energy cartel is not our friends and they will not volunteer to help Canada or its citizens and industries to have affordable energy. The more access to other higher priced markets they have the more we are going to pay and it will destroy our economy as we have the most energy reliant economy on earth.

If these pipelines are built the way they are proposed then the price of energy in Canada is going to go up, WAY UP as all of other industries and consumers will suffer from the world forces of energy prices until the only economy we have left is the energy economy and guess who wants that.

I don’t care if it upsets the people who subscribe to Greenspan’s mission to destroy the earth but market controls are needed to protect countries from being exploited and depleted of their resources and wealth by being made to believe that all that matters is they might have a job…for a while.

25,000 signatures of unknown origin on an against petition contributing zero dollars to BC economy

31,500 known BC workers with oil sands related employment $28 billion revenue to BC economy

The Canadian government’s share of tax revenues over 25 years will be $311 billion

Employment in Canada due to the oil sands is expected to grow from 75,000 jobs in 2010 to 905,000 jobs in 2035. Contributing to our Canada Pension Plan

Tough decision eh?

so original …. LOL

BTW …. would those 31,500 BC workers actually be known any more than those people who signed a petition which typically requires addresses so that they can be verified if someone needs to?

There are a lot of people in the west who migrated from the rest of Canada, such as I did and especially as people from the Atlantic provinces did because they have some of that mining experience that is required every 10 years or so ….

So someone will move from Come-by-Chance to the Kootenays, then to Alberta, then when the economy goes sour there before the recent oilsands revival to Saskatchewan.. then back to BC .. then maybe back to the Wood Buffalo area……

If we went by place of birth, how many do you think will remain on that list of 31,000? 5,000? … I doubt even that many.