Give me a break. They are being very diplomatic, either support the leader or find a new party. That doesn’t mean you can’t criticize something you don’t agree with.

Inclusive or what..it`s my football so go home if you don`t want to play by my rules!
Sounds like a loosing team to me.

All this conservative idiot “Cummins” is gonna do is like the Social Credit did their last time running. He’s gonna turn the public against the party, and drive it into the ground! Is this idiot senile? Or just plain stupid?

What’s the matter, Mr. Powell River Persuader? You nervous or something?

I don’t really have a problem with what he said, it’s simple logic. If the members were so angry with him they would have voted him out.

Sounds to me like a very few have some sour grapes.

No, not worried, the BC conservatives could vanish from the face of the earth tomorrow and still the BC Liberals are cooked..

NDP is polling at 50%..Greens between 6% to 8%..

There isn`t enough left to divvy up..

Johnnybelt, you fail to understand the human mind..

British Columbians want their revenge, they want to vote the Liberals out, the anger won`t settle until the release of emotions, BC Liberals lied, cheated, rammed the HST down our throats, lied about a $4 billion dollar deficit, stole BC Rail, ripped up contracts illegally and covered their sins with $100 million dollars in fees for lawyers..

whether a wife cheats on you, a friend steals your car, a business partners rips you off..

Sorry doesn`t work, revenge be mine..

In politics that means voting the bums out.

And these bums are already out the door.

Cheers

To hear John Cummings cheer lead the Gateway Pipeline project completely ignoring all the collateral concerns says all one needs to know about him, his party, and how he would run this province.

Really I don’t even know what policies John Cummings or his party are running on because I stopped listening to them as soon as the Gateway project was mentioned.

I’m hoping we have a really good independent I can vote for… someone that can represent the riding first and foremost.

John Cummings is 70 years old. During all that time he has not learned how to lead a successful political party.

from the link:

“An hour after members voted 71 per cent in favour of not having a leadership review, John van Dongen, who defected to the Conservatives from the Liberals in March, announced he was leaving the party due to irreconcilable differences with Cummins.”

71%, eh? LOL

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Conservative+party+John+Cummins+survives+leadership+challenge/7285381/story.html

If one beleives that the Liberals are toast in the next election. (I beleive that to be true) then one has to look sanely and seriously at the alteratives.

The chances of a Conservative MLA getting elected in the two Prince George ridings are zilch. All they can hope for (assuming they can find someone to run for them) is to split the vote, which will in turn will make it easier for the NDP to win.

Sooooo. Do we want to elect a few Liberal MLA’s like Bond, Bell, and Rustad and have them sit in opposition for the next four years, thereby having no representation in Victoria, in Government, or do we want to elect the NDP MLA’s who would (for better or worse) represent these ridings and the people in the North.

This is the problem that we face, and its going to have serious effects on this area for years to come. We could in fact have 8 years of NDP Government and no representation.

Do we want no representation, or some representation with the NDP??? This is the legacy of Gordon Campbell and his cronies. They had the opportunity to provide good Government, and they blew it, and now we face the consequences.

If one felt that the **opportunistic** Christy Clark, would in fact provide a better Government then things could change, however time is running out, and all we have so far are vague promises of good things to come. Fact of the matter is, the Province is broke, revenues are down, and if the Liberals get re-elected we will get more of the same.

Damned if you do and damned if you dont.

How could the Province be ‘broke’ when Provincial Assets far exceed Provincial Liabilities?

Change the bloody bookkeeping to ‘reflect’ physical REALITY! Social Credit did it in the 1950’s in a limited way, when they downloaded the Provincial debt on Crown Corporations which could then be managed using standard business accounting practices. Instead of the ridiculous set-up of single-entry, ‘cash’ accounting the government still uses, with its ‘balanced Budget’ farce. And the same could be done today by extending proper accounting to the government as a whole.

As long as we’re going to pretend inadequately stated ‘figures’ can accurately reflect actual physical ‘facts’ we’re going to be in for the kind of government we’ve been getting. One that continually tells us we’re ‘poor’, when every shred of evidence indicates our overall ‘wealth’ continues to increase. Or is there no value at all in any of the Capital projects our taxes are paying for?

John Cummins is an ossified fossil who should be sent back to the primeval mud from which he’s emerged. The only thing ‘good’ about the whole BC Conservative party is that they’re NOT the BC Liberal party. They are NOT capable of getting elected, nor would they be capable of forming a government that British Columbians would ever be happy with. They need to WAKE-UP and face reality, or they’re just whistling in the wind!

The Province is *broke* in terms of the amount of money available for various projects such as health, roads, Government services, etc;

They continually skim money from other entities such as Hydro, ICBC, etc; to fund the Government. They are broke because spending is out of control, and fiscal responsibility is non existent. Sea to Sky Highway and the new Port Mann bridge comes to mind

We need some serious changes in how we run a Government in this Province.

Any suggestions??

Anyone, no matter what political stripe they are from, is a representative of their riding.

Some representatives are more effective in opposition than as a back bencher in the government party. I think that Bell and Bond can be more effective in opposition in the case where the NDP forms government than anyone that the NDP is going to run here.

You could be right Gus, however I expect that Bell and Bond are more concerned about thier cushy jobs than about being effective in the opposition benches.

They have never been there so it would be a good experience for them.

crim: “British Columbians want their revenge, they want to vote the Liberals out”

Yeah, I’ll agree with that. In BC, we vote parties out, not in. The same thing happened in 2000 when BC voters reduced the NDP to non-party status.

I looked at the BC Conservatives as a possible alternative, but the more I hear and read about them, the more I see that they’re a joke.

gus: “I think that Bell and Bond can be more effective in opposition in the case where the NDP forms government than anyone that the NDP is going to run here.”

Palopu: “You could be right Gus, however I expect that Bell and Bond are more concerned about thier cushy jobs than about being effective in the opposition benches.”

It seems to me that you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t in terms of deciding to run in the next election. If you don’t run again, you’re ‘a chicken’ and if you do, you’re concerned about keeping your ‘cushy job’.

god help us if the NDP wins the next election.

It will take a lot more than God to help us if the liberals won the next election.

We have to face facts. There is no viable party that can govern the province. The Libs are terrible…the NDP is just as bad. The other parties are non entities.

Some dark days are coming for BC I think.

We have to also remember that we are part of the left coast, both geographically when the earth is viewed with the North Pole at the top, as well as politically and social thinking.

South of us, more people vote liberal (Democrat) and are typically more liberal in their thinking. Thus Washington, Oregon and California fit into that pattern.

BC tends to follow the same direction when it comes to federal politics. In the last election we returned the first Green MP and the NDP picked up more seats from the Liberals than the Conservatives did.

Palopu, this Province is far from ‘broke’. Its physical Assets alone, not counting any of the enormous amount of intangibles it possesses that might correctly be called ‘goodwill’ in the books of any private business, are enormous relative to the ‘money’ Liabilities (Provincial Debt) held against them.

EVERY government, and also private businesses, when considered as a whole, ‘deficit’ finance. If they did not, there could never be any economic expansion.

The system is ‘creditary’ ~ in any period of economic expansion, (a ‘boom’), Firms (and governments) are always spending more at any given point in time than they are simultaneously taking in through Sales (or levies) in money across their counters through prices (or taxes). Firms, as a whole, are ‘booking’ profits in such a period, even though the Cash Flow for all Firms in general, is negative.

They can do this because they use ‘accrual’ accounting based on the Balance Sheet principle. Where *today’s* spending hopefully engenders Sales *tomorrow*, which are prospectively going to be greater than *today’s* Sales, and it’s against *tomorrow’s* Sales that *today’s* spending will be EXPENSED to compute Profit (or Loss).

If the government used the same principles of double-entry accrual accounting, with a properly constructed Provincial Balance Sheet listing Assets, Liabilities, and CAPITAL, (citizen’s equity ~ our share, as individual British Columbians, of the overall ‘wealth’ of British Columbia ~ which, even with the kind of gross mismanagement visited upon us by BOTH the NDP and the Liberals, has continually still likely INCREASED faster than any Liabilities held against it), we would very quickly see that we are in no ways ‘broke’, that we are grossly ‘overtaxed’, (and not just because we overpay those whom government hires, which we all too often do ~ though that is just the smallest, visible tip of the iceberg when it comes to governmental finance), and what actually limits our ability to do anything through government is NOT “having enough money”, but rather in whether we actually have the physical ability ~ the men, materials, knowledge, skills, etc., and the collective will to get on with the job.