Have a good Friday and week end everyone, and HEY! Let’s all drive safely and according to the road conditions eh?
metalman.

THIS week’s print edition has a leader condemning the failure of governments (and investors) to learn the right lessons from the Black Monday stock market crash 25 years ago:

The biggest mistake was to do with monetary policy. Central banks around the world responded quickly to the crash, some cutting interest rates, others pumping money into the system…Calming a fraught financial system made sense at the time, but it introduced the idea of the “Greenspan put”, the notion that central banks would always intervene to support the markets when they fell sharply. This was compounded by Mr Greenspan taking the opposite position when it came to asset bubbles: that even when prices were sky-high, it was not the job of central banks to outguess markets by trying to bring them back to earth…For investors, markets became a one-way bet: central banks would intervene when markets were falling, but not when they were rising. The “great moderation” was a long period of steady growth and low inflation—and a huge build-up of debt.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/10/financial-crises-0

And the way I see it, the Fed, ECB and global central bankers today fight a losing battle. The mountain of global debt, securities, and derivatives, along with this destabilizing global pool of speculative finance, just inflate larger by the year – and after each policy response. And the more outrageous the policies implemented to try to resolve each crisis, the more these desperate measures further inflate the global Bubble. Ironically, the ongoing assurances of central bank liquidity seem to ensure an eventual crisis beyond the liquidity capacity of central banks. Happy 25th Anniversary, you aged and ornery Credit Bubble. They’ll be reading, writing about and studying you for at least the next century.

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/creditbubblebulletinview?art_id=10721

Well Charles I think the biggest threat to our economy relates to how we legally define the rights and responsibilities of small enterprise, corporations, and state owned corporations.

Some would argue that a corporation is a person with the same rights as a person, and by extension that a state owned corporation is automatically conferred the same rights as a market based corporation. This idea IMO will lead to our enslavement.

It should be clear to everyone that a state owned corporation is simply communism hiding behind monopoly capitalism. Enabled by the deep pockets of the state and subsidized by friendly regulations, political agenda’s, and currency manipulation that thwarts the intended fairness of a market economy.

To say that a state owned corporation should be allowed to invest as though they are a market based corporation in my opinion is akin to treason. It undermines the very fabric of the market economy that most all our pensions rely on. In the end it undermines the rule of law and even the sovereignty of our democratic institutions. Disputes with state owned corporations can easily lead to war.

Clearly the greatest issue of our time is to get a clear definition of the difference between the rights and obligations of market corporations and state owned corporations, and monopoly capitalist multinational corporations. This will require regulations to protect the investors in public companies from the whims of actors that don’t raise funds, and operate purely through market means.

Debt is a big issue, but we have bankruptcy laws that can fix any debt issue. If you on the other hand rip out the heart of a market economy and gut it through unregulated monopoly capitalism, state corporations, and sovereign wealth funds, then you loose the essence of our western based free enterprise market economies.

When Rome fell it wasn’t because they were overran by foreign armies, but rather because they lost their republican soul of responsible citizenship to the whims of empire actors buying power with cheep bread. Sovereign wealth funds and state owned corporations are the cheep bread of our time and will be the downfall of our market based civilization IMO.

Isn’t it odd that the BC government is putting television ads out advertising they are providing grants so young people can take Ship Building apprenticeships???

Isn’t this the same government that refused to have new ferries made in BC??

It is starting to look like an election is coming.

If Alison Redford is correct that the coast of BC does not belong to British Columbians but to all Canadians, then does it not stand to reason that Alberta oil does not belong to Albertans but to all Canadians?

Just asking . . .

I think BC gave away control over its tidal waters when we joined Canada, Krusty.

Probably a somewhat murky area of Constitutional law nowadays, (no pun intended), since it seems we still do have some rights over the sea bed, though.

Until the Feds remove them from us, like they did when former Premier Glen Clark tried to interfere with the RCN/U S Navy’s joint use of Nanoose Bay for test firing and recovery of torpedoes.

HAPPY FRIDAY! Wear red day…

Charles, EVERY nation’s central bank has an unlimited overdraft facility with itself so far as its operations inside the country are concerned. So none of them are going to run out of ‘liquidity’ ~ they can endlessly supply the ‘means of payment’, what we call ‘money’. The only limits on which being the actual ability and capacity of the country to PRODUCE, and the need, or desire, of its citizens to CONSUME, and their ACCEPTANCE of the ‘money’ being provided as money. Which governments can virtually always ensure, by levying taxes payable exclusively in that form of money.

Eagle, I agree with most of what you’ve said above, but what really did ancient Rome in more than anything else was ‘inflation’.

When all those ‘barbarians’ the Romans imported and hired to do all the work they no longer wanted to do themselves finally realised the money they were being paid in wouldn’t BUY a fair exchange for their labours, they turned on their employers for recompense by other means. And Roman civilisation collapsed on the inside before forces from the outside picked the corpse clean.

Inflation been the death knell of many great civilisations. And we have it not only firmly ensconsed in ours, but believe we can contain and control it, and that it’s necessary (for “full employment”).

That latter it is, if you want to ‘work’ continuously, as the be-all and end-all of human existence, and increasingly work for nothing.

I was dismayed that Prince Georgians weren’t ready for snow! With all the accidents yesterday you’ve got to wonder where these people think they live? It’s unfortunate that an accident has to be the wake up call for these people! Get winter tires on your vehicle and slow down! I’ve lived here long enough to realize if the temperature is cold you go slower, especially with precipitation! One fellow at a stop light yesterday around 4pm spun his truck out trying to accelerate. Instead of slowing down he sped up! Duh! I shake my head and stay far back from the yahoos and morons like that.

Better git my have a good weekend in before crimini enters his/her blog in…

Soon the HST will be EXTINGUISHED.
Along with the WHOLE liberal party.

The city spent a small fortune retrofitting the street lamps with a radio system that would dim the lights ( conserve power ) and also report burnt out lights. They were to be fixed within a two week period. Every night I drive past at least 15 that are not working, yet never fixed for months. When I phone them into the city they say don’t worry the automated system will report them. I guess that is how we conserve power and money, just don’t fix the burnt out ones. How much did we pay for this stuff ?

On the winter driving issue,I wonder what the result would be if recorded stats were made as to how many winter driving accidents involved N drivers?Than how many of said drivers were instruct by there parents?

Moose calf season os now closed.Lets Hope ken child can see the light of day and shut down cow/calf season till the population increases.

“Isn’t this the same government that refused to have new ferries made in BC??”

I think it was the NDP who bought those goofy fast cat ferries that cost us a couple of hundred million each.

From Eagleone: “Some would argue that a corporation is a person with the same rights as a person, and by extension that a state owned corporation is automatically conferred the same rights as a market based corporation. This idea IMO will lead to our enslavement.”

This is so frightening to me. Why in the heck would a corporation have the same rights as a person?! Absolutely ridiculous and scary. Corporations exist to make money. Period. They cannot have the same rights as humans do. Maybe some humans exist for money only but not all of us.

Good one Krusty! Alberta should have to share more of the money made from the oilsands if they want us to risk our coastlines.

Let’s put a transit tax on our gasoline, then we could pay the same as Vancouver prices, $121.9

Arewe being gouged?

There are so many intersections around town supposedly controlled by cameras now but on cycle. I reported about five of them just over a year ago and nothing has been done. Its like the people who are supposed to set them up don’t know how or the city hasn’t bothered to send them out to do it.

15th and Ospika hasn’t been right since they upgraded that intersection but now there is 5th and Tabor, 5th and Ahbau, 15th and Foothills, 18th and Ospika, Massey and Westwood, Ferry and Recreational Pl. Crossing 5th on Carney is slowed down to the point of absolute frustration. Oh, 15th and Carney is also cycling as well.
Wonder why we can’t have a system that works properly??

Anyway, drive safely out there everyone. Remember, there may be kids in the vehicle you hit if you go out of control.

,I wonder what the result would be if recorded stats were made as to how many winter driving accidents involved N drivers?
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Wonder no more. Just go to the ICBC web site and all the info is there. The largest percentage of accidents is in the 25 to 42 year age group that are responsible for 56% of the accidents but then again they are the majority of drivers licenced.

Many of the accidents accur at intersections and a big problem is how the signals are timed. For instance traffic should be moved in what is called “squads”.As soon as trafic thins the signal should cut off and stop the straglers.

Here is where the problems start when drivers sit at the intersection at the red light without any traffic movement which encourages drivers to run the amber and thats where the accidents occur.

So there you are lesson 101 on traffic safety.
Cheers

Good morning and happy Friday… I just want to take a moment and say thank you to Ben & Elaine and OPINION 250 staff for providing instant news and a very good forum where folks can freely, with manners, voice opinions. This is especially for good for people that may be away from PG but want to stay connected.
Keep up the great work you all do.

Now readers please travel safely and have a great weekend.

Transit tax/ We should have a transit system before we are taxed for it right?

Posted by: PGguy1234 on October 26 2012 9:33 AM
“Isn’t this the same government that refused to have new ferries made in BC??”

I think it was the NDP who bought those goofy fast cat ferries that cost us a couple of hundred million each.

Yes it was but it was the liebrals that taught them a lesson and sold them for pennies of what they were worth

Gas 123.9 in Vanderhoof this morning, we are closer to the Refinery right ?

And a nice warm welcome to all those Chinese workers that have come over here to help send those resources back home.

The Department of Fisheries and Oceans is run from behind a desk in Ottawa. When was the last time anyone saw a salmon or cod in that location other than on a dinner plate.

Another nail in the coffin of our Pacific salmon.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/austerity-measures-threaten-to-sink-salmon-biologist-jobs/article4677593/

How do you say yes master in Chinese?
Vote Consevative!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izbUjScUwyA

What’s up with the classifieds? No new adds since september.Still enjoy the site though.

In regards to “Give more”

They do need to fix some intersections. Driving through town is very frustrating. I’ll add to the list and say the left turn from HWY 16W onto HWY 97N isn’t long enough. It won’t empty the full 2 left turn lanes of traffic. Some lights need to be made longer.

Or we could just convert to roundabouts….

Will this finally lead to something positive?
Many think so.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/washington-poised-to-legalize-marijuana-with-implications-for-bc/article4650765/

Let’s make sure that I have this all straight in my head.

Chinese workers coming over because apparently there’s nobody “qualified” for coal mining in Canada.

We currently have job fairs going on in Ireland looking for construction workers because nobody will “construct” in the north.

Am I missing something? Canadians are far from lazy and most I find are willing to be trained for work. Disgusted with our Federal and Prov Gov’t for allowing this doesn’t even begin to describe my thoughts.

Pat Bell should be ashamed of himself… hold on… he owns a burger joint and pays minimum wage… I get it now.

“The Department of Fisheries and Oceans is run from behind a desk in Ottawa. When was the last time anyone saw a salmon or cod in that location other than on a dinner plate”

Wouldn’t that be why they have the Pacific and Newfoundland and Labrador Regional Offices?

To take it a step further, assume that all they had were offices in Vancouver and St. John’s. What would those locations know about managing the issues within the Great Lakes and adjoining St. Lawrence seaway?

DM: No, there is too much money to be made by law enforcement contractors and they are better friends with the elected and non-elected officials that shape our laws.

Not to mention the vast industry of legal council that would lose huge income potential for defending charges for a ditch weed.

The real reason it will never be legal is because it is more profitable for the upper echelons to have continue to be illegal.

Igt has nothing to do with public safety or health, just justification to increase the police state and to enhance that police state with more toys.

Did no one notice the Prince Rupert events. The person with a small grow op consisting of 135 healthy and mature marihuana plants gets arrested, yet the importer and transporter of the 14 tonnes of precursor chemicals in 552 jugs has yet to be identified let alone arrested or charged.

The jugs actually contained chemicals used to make drugs like methamphetamine, MDMA (ecstasy), and the so-called date-rape drug gamma-butyrolactone.

cheese

“Did no one notice the Prince Rupert events. The person with a small grow op consisting of 135 healthy and mature marihuana plants gets arrested, yet the importer and transporter of the 14 tonnes of precursor chemicals in 552 jugs has yet to be identified let alone arrested or charged”

Well in the first case, it was probably very easy to prove who was operating the grow op and thus an arrest would be fairly straight forward.

The second is a little more complicated. Who owned the goods being shipped? Are they even in Canada? Who owned the ship? Is it registered in Canada or abroad? Are the employees on the ship legally responsible for the cargo? Who was the cargo destined for? If they didn’t take possession is it a crime? Heck, is it even illegal to transport the said chemicals?

The police busted a grow-op today and took away 500 kilos of pot. Tonight on the news there will be a picture of what 300 kilos of pot looks like; then 200 kilos will be put in the evidence lock up. Joe “Smiley” Grower will be charged with possession and cultivation of 25 kilos of pot.

Let’s make sure that I have this all straight in my head.

Chinese workers coming over because apparently there’s nobody “qualified” for coal mining in Canada.

“We currently have job fairs going on in Ireland looking for construction workers because nobody will “construct” in the north.

Am I missing something? Canadians are far from lazy and most I find are willing to be trained for work. Disgusted with our Federal and Prov Gov’t for allowing this doesn’t even begin to describe my thoughts.

Pat Bell should be ashamed of himself… hold on… he owns a burger joint and pays minimum wage… I get it now.”

Do you think for one minute that any of these companies WANT to do this? Believe me (and I know because I am in the industry)it is a hassle bringing in workers from anywhere else. It’s expensive and you have no way of knowing ahead of time if it will all work in the end.

nmg:
It is illegal to possess or transport any of the named precursor chemicals without a permit to possess.

Legislation in Canada controls the import, export, production, packaging, sale and provision of precursor chemicals. The Office of Controlled Substances works in collaboration with Canadian and international stakeholders in the public and private sectors to ensure that precursor chemicals are handled effectively and remain in legal distribution channels; and that valid commercial, medical and scientific activities are not interfered with.

Next link will take you to another Web site Canada’s Acts and Regulations pertaining to precursor chemical control conforms with the UN Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, 1988. This international convention and related articles and schedules can be found on the Next link will take you to another Web site International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) website.

Any questions regarding precursor chemicals can be directed to the following e-mail address: precursors@hc-sc.gc.ca

I am concerned about how often when I am sitting in my car at either 15th and Central or 5th and Central, that fulled loaded chip trucks come blasting through the intersection when the light is long red. I am amazed someone they haven’t nailed someone who has entered the intersection without checking for vehicles running red lights. It is really concerning to see it so frequently .

On the recommendation of the Mayor the City at the last Council meeting amended Bylaw 7556 (2003) that directed proceeds from the sale of land along the “Highway 16 West Corridor” (2/3’s of the net) to be directed to the Land Reserve Fund. The funds were directed to the Downtown Development Reserve, and the Mayor stated this was no longer necessary. Funds from other land sales in the City go to the Land Reserve Fund. There are some interesting aspects to this amendment.

1. It seemed to be rushed through Council before the Core Review was completed by KPMG.

2. Proceeds from both the Land Development Reserve and the Endowment Reserve are transferred to the Capital Expenditure Reserve on a yearly basis.

2. The “Highwy 16 West Corridor” Lands include all City land from the intersection of highways 16 and 97 to approx Walmart. This includes all the Pine Valley Golf course property, Playhouse Theatre, and Roll A Dome, that would be valued at Millions of dollars. ($30/40 Million?? who knows) if sold for commercial purposes, which seems to be the Citys intent.

3. The Mayors letter stated that it is not recommended that net land sale funds or other reserve funds be used for ROAD REHAB.
The sustainable approach to funding ROAD REHAB would be to increase the road REHAV LEVY. (In other words a tax increase)

4. Kathy Soltis the now acting City Manager also stated that funding ROAD REHAB with monies from the sale of land would not be a good choice, and further stated that ROAD REHAB to be sustainable should be funded by a 1% increase per annum, or something to that effect.

Soooooooooo. What do we have here. Well, what we have is the Mayor, Council, and Administration ensuring that the huge dollars that could be forthcoming from the sales of this land (especially if they sell Pine Valley) be directed to the Capital Expenditure Reserve, where they can control its distribution, and that none of this money be directed to ROAD REHAB.

So it seems even if we were to get a huge windfall of cash from the sale of City lands, we are still going to be hit with increases in taxes to fix our roads.

Whats wrong with this picture. Surely we could put a portion of this money into the Capital Expenditure Reserve, and a like amount into road rehab, and other infrastructure, and avoid further tax increases.

Seems like that is not in the cards. If this money is later moved out of the Capital Expenditure Reserve, to fund the City’s portion of the Performing Arts Centre, thus allowing the City to bypass a referendum, or an alternative approval process, there will be some pretty upset people in this town.

Have a nice day.

Where’s the 2015 Canada Winter Games marketing plan? I thought they said it would be completed by now. No news on the website since July 18…
http://www.canadagames2015.ca/stay_informed_news.html

“Do you think for one minute that any of these companies WANT to do this?” .. In a word…Yes. With the lower wages, lower work safety inspections, they save a lot of money in short order. You do know there is legislation in place that allows for the paying of 15% less for foriegn temporary workers right? You do know that there has been accusations of charging these workers money to come over here to work, right? You think the company would loose money by choosing to import workers? Not likely.

Thanks for that info Loki! Was it stated in the story whether there were permits in place? I assume not if the amounts were seized.

I wonder what the penalties are for transporting without the permit. Are they simply seized or is it an indictable offence?

And of course, if it is an indictable offence, then you get into that whole issue of gathering enough evidence as to satisfy the crown that they could actually have the charges stick against a specific individual.

I’m wondering what kind of ships the BC Liberals think are going to be built in BC? Do BC shipyards build double hulled oil tankers? :-)

What did the city do with that house on River Road? Surely is was moved and not destroyed?

Jim13135.

Look at Opinion 250 for Wednesday Oct 25/12 story line (Demolished) to see the before and after pictures of the house on River Road being demolished.

I suspect they spent very little time and effort in trying to sell of move this house.

Still would like to know how much money they spent on purchasing property on the North side of River Road for their ill fated dike. I am thinking in terms of over $1 Million. What a bloody waste.

I had a moose draw that ended yesterday. If only I would have walked down Juniper St.?

What did the city do with that house on River Road? Surely is was moved and not destroyed?
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Did you not notice the pil;e of rubble. Well that was the house . City claimed it was to epensive to move the overhead stuff for the house to be moved.

Well Pal its a good question what the City will do with the money but I would guess that they will feed it into the local economy by handing out contracts to friends of the City. Where did Queen Green get the 80 grand for her election to office?

I was out hunting and the site was pretty much cleaned up when I drove by. It’s a shame that they couldn’t be bothered to move it….lots of homeless people that would have liked to live there, even if they had to move out once or twice every 100 years.

I wonder how council voted on this decision?

Jim13135

What are you hunting on river road ?

Just passing through town on the way home from hunting moose…..:-)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/09/08/harper-hu-jintao-apec.html

Confucius say: Careful what you wish for, you might just get it;]

The Perils of Bubbles and Speculative Finance

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/creditbubblebulletinview?art_id=10723

palupo – “I suspect” and “I am thinking”
once again you have no idea other than your preconceived notions…
If the house was so viable to move why didnt any of the armchair quarterbacks on here buck up the cash to move it and retire on thier handsome profit?

Always attacking others opinions and never offering anything positive hey interceptor.

interceptor. You have no idea how much money the City spent on purchasing property on River Road, as I said before I expect it is in the million dollar bracket.

If they had not bought the house in the first place. ie; had they waited until they knew whether or not the taxpayers would approve the borrowing, then the house would have remained in private hands, and it wouldnt have cost us a penny.

The City blew it big time on this River Road fiasco, and I am amazed that anyone (including intercetor) would come to their defense.

So I am thinking (and I suspect) that interceptor doesnt know what he’s talking about.

You are right, I have no idea – my point is, neither do you. I am not coming to thier defense but..
“I am thinking (and I suspect) that Palupo doesnt know what he’s talking about”

Here is some information for those interested in the man caused climate change hoax. Fuel and natural gas for heating would be cheaper if not for this hoax

“Talk about a case of mistaken identity.

Most people, if they know anything at all about the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), believe that it is made up of “the world’s leading scientists” at the peak of their careers.

Indeed, Donna Laframboise, an Ontario-based investigative journalist who wrote for the Toronto Star and was a member of the National Post’s editorial board, said she too had once assumed that the IPCC’s reports into climate change were written by the personification of “a meticulous, upstanding professional in business attire.”

Instead, after spending more than two years investigating just who is behind the IPCC, she came to the conclusion that the world’s “Climate Bible” is “produced by a slapdash, slovenly teenager who has trouble distinguishing right from wrong.”

That’s how she came up with the title for her book, The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert.

During a luncheon hosted by the Friends of Science and co-sponsored by the Frontier Centre on Wednesday at the Metropolitan Centre, Laframbois told the crowd of 300 that when she began the journey of writing her book, she set out intending to “examine arguments for and against dangerous, human-caused climate change.

“What I learned along the way turned me into a climate skeptic or — as I like to call myself these days — a climate rebel.”

And this rebel has a cause — to expose the real IPCC — to pull back the curtain, if you will, on this Wizard of Oz and expose — well, a phoney.

When she started looking into the IPCC, she was told repeatedly by august scientific publications, newspapers and the chairman of the IPCC himself, Rajendra Pachauri, that the IPCC is made up of the world’s top scientists and best experts and that any information that is not peer reviewed is discarded from the report.

Most people just accept these statements as fact.

So what did Laframbois find? Yes, “a number of talented and experienced scientists have indeed helped to write IPCC reports over the years. The problem is that many other IPCC authors don’t come close to being leading scientists at the top of their profession,” said Laframbois to the crowd made up of many geologists, geophysicists and astrophysicists.

On the screen, Laframbois flashed the photos of three “20-somethings,” who were lead authors and even co-ordinating lead authors of entire chapters of the IPCC Climate Bible that directs the governments of 185 countries into actions like raising gasoline prices, imposing carbon taxes and the like.

Richard Klein, for instance, was 23 in 1992 when he completed his master’s degree in geography and worked as a Greenpeace campaigner. Two years later, he was a lead author for the IPCC. Since 1994, he has been a lead author for six IPCC reports, and beginning in 1997, he was promoted to co-ordinating lead author — the IPCC’s most senior author role — at the age of 28. “That’s six years prior to him completing his PhD. Neither his youth nor his thin academic credentials prevented the IPCC from regarding him as one of the world’s top experts,” she said.

Laurens Bouwer was a lead author for the IPCC in 1999-2000, BEFORE earning his master’s degree in 2001.

The most egregious example is Sari Kovats. In 1994, Kovats was one of 21 people “in the entire world selected to work on the first IPCC chapter” looking into the affects of climate change on human health.

But she wasn’t anywhere near being one of the world’s top scientists or experts in her field. Indeed, she didn’t publish her first academic paper until three years after she acted as an “expert” and she didn’t earn her PhD until 2010 — a whopping 16 years after being tagged as one of the top 21 experts in the world.

And it gets worse. The IPCC is filled with environmental activists, not objective scientists measuring data and coming to conclusions.

Among a list of people she cites, Laframbois notes that Jennifer Morgan spent several years as the World Wildlife Fund’s chief spokesperson on climate change and then in 2010 the IPCC appointed her “to work on a report it describes as objective, rigorous and balanced.”

Indeed, two-thirds of the chapters of the IPCC’s Assessment Report 4 included at least one WWF affiliated scientist. Two-thirds! Laframbois calls that a “full-scale invasion.”

“This is the equivalent of a judge in a murder trial — a judge who’s supposed to be neutral and impartial — partying with the prosecution team in the evening while the trial’s going on during the day,” said Laframbois.

It’s important to note here that while a columnist with the Toronto Star, it was Laframbois who questioned the science that convicted Guy Paul Morin of murder. Years later, she was proved right when DNA evidence exonerated the innocent man in 1995 of killing a child.

Pachauri has often claimed that the IPCC relies only on peer-reviewed research and material and says all non-peer reviewed work should be thrown “into the dust bin.” Laframbois conducted an audit to see if that’s indeed the case. It is not. Laframbois found that 21 out of 44 chapters in the 2007 IPCC report used less than 60 per cent peer reviewed material. Pachauri should follow up and throw the entire report into the dustbin. So should the world.

By the end of her talk, Laframbois was shown to be understated by calling the IPCC a delinquent teenager. More like a dangerous mob boss with a knack for fraud and hijacking. Time to lock him up.”

“Just passing through town on the way home from hunting moose…..:-)” .. I hear there are moose at the corner of 17th and Juniper.

I agree with flowermum!! It’s not just chip trucks running solid red lights-I have seem trailer attached fuel trucks do it. And that is really an accident waiting to happen!! As I say-man, I don’t feel like dying today!