Well put together, Debora! Short and to the points!

The citizens of this entire city messed up royally when they did not vote you back in and voted in several people who do not even understand what makes a city and the variety of neighbourhoods in it.

In my view livable cities grow from the ground up, not the top down.

And, most certainly, we cannot allow the vulnerable to go without support, whether it is women recovering from addiction, or neighbourhoods under stress of incompatible uses entering their midst. In reality, both sides are protecting their “territory”.

Whoever bought the property with this use in mind really does not understand people, especially people who chose to live in such a community.

You were there and understood what was happening. Let’s hope that a few of the current Councillors who were there also started to understand.

If they had understood before, any reasonable person would not have voted for the amendments. To use the excuse of “let the people be heard” is a non starter. They were heard once before. Nothing is going to change.

That vote put the community further under stress and I expect to have Councillors and Mayors who are sensitive to such realities of people’s feelings.

Right on Deborah Munoz and Gus….so much good sense….to bad we can’t transfer some of that reasoning to members of Council and make some real progress on this issue. I really hope that Peter Ewart’s rallying cry to get all groups and interested parties in the Women’s Recovery Centre to work together results in a a feasible and legal solution to get a centre up and running soon. Trying to push the centre into Haldi will only result in more delay. Hudta lake Group is willing to co-operate, unlike Northern Recovery and with Hudta’s co-operation and Sharon Hurd’s expertise and the help of the other groups and support from Municipal and Provincial Government maybe this thing can get off the ground. The main obstacle at this time appears to be the investor/investors in the Haldi Road property.

Finally an independent Counsellor (albeit past one) with careful research and salient thought! Thank you Debora for your fine work on this and obvious fear and concern for the people of Prince George on this dangerous issue.

The light may be turning yellow now for the ongoing corruption and incestuous dealings of the Green Team but we need all the good citizens of PG to stop this puppet Mayor and police her and her cohorts strictly until the end of her less than glorious reign.

As Debora states, this proposed change to the OCP is horrible and affects all of us now.

In my last posting, I should have mentioned that there could be further delay to having a treatment centre open at Haldi Road. If City passes the rezoning, forcing the Haldi Community to take this back to the courts, this could be tied up in the courts for another couple years. This could put the Haldi development behind Hudta Lake and also possibly their attempt to get Provincial funding. While the Northern Recovery Centre is stressing the need to get women into treatment as soon as possible…tying this up in the courts is not the way…..Hudta Group has a plan, and seems to be on the right track so lets give them our support. Let’s take the legal route and get it done sooner ….everyone, except perhaps the investors of Haldi, should be happy.

To “take action now”. Agree with you 100%. When are you leading your protest parade….I am sure you would have the majority of Prince George behind you, except for some of the business people that our Mayor has been catering to. Fortunately there are more of us peasants than millionaires so maybe, just maybe, we have a chance of being heard if we stand together.

Thank you Debora well wrote article and appreciate the support.

I am happy the news is finally got out there that this is not a matter of NIMBY.

This site can not support 15 bedrooms with sewer and water. In rural residential bylaw you must have a minimum of 5 acres of property for a maximum of 6 occupants. The Haldi ex school residence is 10 acres of witch only 8 is usable. This is not enough property for the required usage and how L&M got this by city the first time stuns me but this come to mind.
When Roy Stewart gave City staff heck at the public hearing on the first attempt for what he said was staffs was too lazy to do their own work and just cut and pasted L&M’s work on their reports.

It is so obvious that staff and Ian Wells have no idea what they are doing. And City expects the public just to bend over and except changes to the OCP and zoning? Why Staff is not better informing council of these changes and what those changes entail is bad practise! I think Queen Green likes it that way. She can sway council for her own agenda and supporters.

Watching Mayor Green on the 5 PM CKPG news last night, Mayor Green is still showing zero respect for an OCP or the concerns from the public. She still feels it’s only a guideline and will be changed many more times. Maybe we need to have her resignation before she is permitted to change The OCP again at her whim IMO.

It seems to me that the Councillors that were at the meeting, ie; Koeller, Everitt, Hall, Skakun, Frizzell, Krause, were listening attently to what was being said.

To me it seems that this is a **no brainer** we need to back off, and start over. Respect the wishes of the people in the area, and locate this centre somewhere else.

To continue down the road of **confrontation** will as pointed out above have this issue in the courts for a few years, and in the end, will result in serious delays to the establishment of a womens centre in the Prince George area.

The OCP should remain as is. It should not be changed to favour the proponents of this project, nor to set up a situation where it will make it easier for proponents of other projects to locate wherever the hell they please.

Those Councillors who were at the meeting have the numbers to bring this issue to a close. Its just that simple. Vote down the amendment to the OCP, thus killing off the proponents application, and get on to other business of the City. We dont need anymore of the adversity among different groups in the community.

I agree with the reasoned article submitted by Debora Munoz. It makes the salient points, and should be given due regard by all concerned.

I am not ure whether bringing up technical issues such as water, etc. helps the issue. Those issues can be resolved. So, if the battle centres around that, and not round the community’s idea of stability, the Haldi Rd. community will have lost the battle.

You have to keep it simple for Council. The more obfuscated the issue becomes, the more vulnerable the community will become in the decision making process.

Hey, Mr. Meisner. In 2002 I was on your program, and misinformed that I always am, I stated the “OCP was just a guideline”. You ripped into me something fierce. Now Mayor Whatshername says the exact same thing on the CKPG news last night. Boy! Was I ahead of my time or what?

Thank you Debora for stressing the points that the Haldi Rd community has been trying desperately to get across to all residents of PG. It is too bad that you didn’t realize this when you were council and voted for the rezoning first time around, but many in the community were voting with their hearts and not the facts. I also hope that the other councilors present at the meeting were listening and understand the total impact this will have on the entire city, not just a rural neighbourhood. IMO pressure has been put on the city planners to get this facility passed. I also watched Greene on the news. She needs to read the Supreme Court Documents and realize that the OCP is not just a guideline. I do hope council wakes up, because listening to the lawyer that night, the proposal still has holes in it i

It just hit me that we have a double standard in this City.

We have a marketing arm of the City – IPG. I am under the impression that they help businesses to locate in this City. They also seem to help with promoting facilities such as Performing Arts Centres because such facilities are thought to help diversify the community and thus provide a more pleasant living environment to attract new people, especially from locations which have such amenities.

In addition, the City spent hundreds of thousand of dollars to develop several versions of a planned development for the golf course lands to primarily serve future business and housing needs. Come to think of it, I saw no large
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ONLY a guideline …

Sort of like those yellow signs on the road entering curves which “suggest” you slow down. They are just guidelines. You go outside of those guidelines, you do so at your own risk.

The only difference between those signs and the OCP guidelines is that if you have an accident on the road due to not slowing down, you will be ticketed for driving with undue care and attention. In the case of having an accident in that a community rises up against the drivers of the City (Council and Administration) there are no police, since we have no provincial municipal board. Instead, we have to go directly to court.

I prefer to call it MINIMUM standards, just as any code of standards.

In fact, I view it as a standard.

Back to City Governance school for the Mayor. Oops,I guess there is not one of those. Simply the school of hard knocks and the citizens are getting the hard knocks.

Sorry, the start of another post at the top ….. guess I did not follow my own guidelines of how to deal with posting on this site which does not allow a one minute editing time. :-(

It just hit me that we have a double standard in this City.

We have a marketing arm of the City – IPG. I am under the impression that they help businesses to locate in this City. They also seem to help with promoting facilities such as Performing Arts Centres because such facilities are thought to help diversify the community and thus provide a more pleasant living environment to attract new people, especially from locations which have such amenities.

In addition, the City spent hundreds of thousand of dollars to develop several versions of a planned development for the golf course lands to primarily serve future business and housing needs. Come to think of it, I saw no space set aside in that plan for a larger facility such as a substance abuse recovery centre.

So, the question becomes, if IPG is here to help businesses locate in this city, I would think that they would not be prejudicial in the kinds of businesses they help.

What, if anything, has IPG’s involvement with this been? If none, why not? Perhaps they can help now. It is never too late.

Posted by: gus on January 12 2013 9:46 AM

I am not ure whether bringing up technical issues such as water, etc. helps the issue. Those issues can be resolved. So, if the battle centres around that, and not round the community’s idea of stability, the Haldi Rd. community will have lost the battle.

You have to keep it simple for Council. The more obfuscated the issue becomes, the more vulnerable the community will become in the decision making process.
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Gus

I have questions with respect to the amendment to the City of Prince George Official Community Plan and are as follows!

3. THAT Council CONSIDER the City of Prince George Official Community Plan Amendment

Bylaw No. 8474, in conjunction with the City of Prince George 2012-2016 Provisional

Financial Plan;?

4. THAT Council CONSIDER the City of Prince George Official Community Plan Amendment

Bylaw No. 8474, in conjunction with the Regional District of Fraser Fort-George Solid Waste

Management Plan;?

4. THAT Council CONSIDER the City of Prince George Official Community Plan Amendment

Bylaw No. 8474, in conjunction with the Regional District of Fraser Fort-George Solid Waste

Management Plan;?

I think the folks out at Salmon Valley had better pay attention to this amendment. Has to do with the city dumping the S**T on their property.

Using the word “just” in front of “guideline” is a good indicator of what the speaker thinks of guidelines.

The dictionary meaning of “guideline” is appropriate to bring to the attention of those who rule by guidelines.

“A general rule, principle, or piece of advice.”

In the case of the OCP, a general rule, principle, or piece of advice which, when adopted by a Council, becomes a policy.

So what is a policy? By definition: “A proposed or adopted course or principle of action.”

The dictionary meaning of “guideline” is appropriate to bring to the attention of those who rule by guidelines.

“A general rule, principle, or piece of advice.”

Sorry for the duplication of the last sentence …. :-(

007 … I am going for a Starbucks and some good conversation ….. get back to you on that …

Basically, it comes from the provincial legislation which requires any OCP changes to give due regard to other guiding plans which cover the community.

It is actually a bit interesting since the City should be taking an active role in making sure that nothing in the OCP changes would impact the other plans.

To peegee: You bet. At least these levels of blatant self-serving corruption are rousing even the most complacent and forgiving people of PG to determined and committed REVOLT. I have faith in the good people of PG. They beat the Green Team on the dike issue. We will prevail here too and even propel the Hudya center in the process because THAT is who WE are. At the end of this travesty of justice, when we prevail, there will be a parade, I am sure. I will bring the baton, the marionette hat and the streamers!

” how to deal with posting on this site which does not allow a one minute editing time. :-(“

gus… this got me too, pain in the rear when grabbing a coffee or answering a call so I set up my browser so the page does automatically reload unless I allow it:)

Gus.

Your below email to Mr. Wells has been forwarded to me for a response. Please refer to pages 7 – 8 of the Staff Report to Council dated December 5, 2012, from Planning and Development, which clearly explains the process, as follows:

“Sequence of Adoption

As the Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 8383, 2011 was adopted by considering three plans as part of the LGA adoption sequence requirements, any amendment bylaws to the OCP should also consider the same.

As outlined in adoption procedures found in Section 882 of the Local Government Act, an OCP bylaw is presented to Council for adoption of a resolution giving first reading of the bylaw which sets in motion a series of steps which must be taken in a prescribed sequence as follows:

1. First Reading of bylaw

2. Consideration of the plan in conjunction with the financial plan

3. Consideration of the plan in conjunction with the applicable solid waste management plan

4. Consideration of any other plan and policies that the local government considers relevant

5. Referral to the Agricultural Land Commission if the Plan applies to Agricultural Land Reserve land (not applicable to these applications)

6. Second Reading of the bylaw

7. Public notice of the Public Hearing

8. Public Hearing

9. Third Reading of bylaw

10. Adoption of bylaw

The Local Government Act requires that each reading of the OCP bylaw must receive an affirmative vote of a majority of all Council members. The sequence of adoption procedures found in Section 882 of the Local Government Act is necessary, should any changes occur to the Plan the sequence of steps would begin again.

It is recommended Council consider the following plans in conjunction with the OCP amendment bylaw:

1. City of Prince George 2012 – 2016 Provisional Financial Plans;

2. 2008 Regional Solid Waste Management Plan; and,

3. Strategic Framework for a Sustainable Prince George.”

Those three listed documents were included as links within the Staff Report.

As explained during the meeting, the process being followed for the proposed OCP bylaw amendment (as described in the Staff Report) is the same process that was followed when Council adopted the new OCP bylaw. In other words, Council considered its financial plan and the solid waste management in conjunction with the OCP bylaw, so it’s appropriate for Council to also consider those plans in conjunction with the proposed amendment to the OCP bylaw.

In answer to Councillor Skakun’s question, Mayor Green correctly stated that whether or not there would be any financial implications for the City in connection with the proposed OCP amendment bylaw was for each member of Council to determine, as part of that member’s consideration of the City’s 2012 – 2106 Provisional Financial Plan provided within the Staff Report. Councillor Skakun concluded his questions and voted accordingly.

Council passed resolutions confirming that Council has considered the proposed OCP bylaw amendment in conjunction with the above 3 plans (i.e. the 2012 – 2106 Provisional Financial Plan, the 2008 Regional Solid Waste Management Plan, and the Strategic Framework for a Sustainable Prince George), and no issues were identified by Council in relation to those three considerations.

I hope you find the above to be of some assistance in clarifying the process.

Walter Babicz

Manager of Legislative Services

City of Prince George

Phone 250.561.7605

Fax 250.561.0183

How quick we forget. Debra have you already forgotten you personally voted not only to ignore the OCP, but rezone a residential duplex lot to C6 commercial with a special land use amendment, to operate an Industrial application on this site. This land usage is contrary to all laws and no one else is entitled to such rights. Have you already forgotten BBK Bottling. Do you remember the presentations and cartoon drawing you voted on and the proposed land use promoted. Have you seen the monstrous building occupying the entire site. Taking over the residence SINGLE lane access road, with 5 ton trucks reversing in the traffic, to back into his driveway 8 feet from an intersection. This was all against the wishes of the OCP and almost every one of the residents wishes as well. But it is true the city should not be rewriting the laws to override the OCP. To accommodate their special interest buddies. Mayor Green has stated she feels she is no longer in conflict of interest with the Haldi road scenario. While one association to this affair may have changed, her prejudice in my opinion has not. I personally feel as others do, that the Mayor and 8 of 9 councillors, have already shown to be prejudiced, by voting to ignore the OCP and the last Haldi road court ruling and rewrite the law to accommodate their friends. When is no going to mean no. I believe this latest action constitutes a major form of harassment by the mayor and council. If as the Mayor suggests the OCP should be a guideline only – FIRE them all. we can all read guidelines from a book. Mayor Green and council you were not voted in to ignore and override the OCP for your buddies special interests. Enough is enough

Debra; I live in the Miller,Connaught area, WHERE WERE YOU FOR US ??I think the out of town Haldi Rd. location for the treatment center is a good one. All the Citys problems should not be put in one area of this City we need to share. How is the closing of the Crossroads Treatment Center in Kelowna going to affect Prince George??are we going to get more people with problems sent here??

lets see if common sense hits a few more of the councillors..had that been the case on the first application the community wouldnt have had to spent thousands of hours and dollars fighting this proposal that was wrong on so many levels.

CBC Daybreak North ” Emotional meeting on proposed rehab center

http://www.cbc.ca/daybreaknorth/#.UPHYv0AzT_k.email

bitter, sounds like you feel that the proposed women’s recovery centre is a problem. Yet those who are proposing to develop it are arguing that it is not a “problem”.

Can you share with us why you do not agree with them? It would be good for us to know what kind of a problem it would be so that we can make sure that rather than “sharing” the problem, it is located so that it is not a problem for anyone.

That is what reasonable people would do. But they would first have to be properly informed of the facts in order for them to come to a proper decision. You seem to have some of those facts.

To whatnowpg:
There is a common adage in law that I think Shari should abide by: Once a conflict, always a conflict.
Also, if an individual takes the high road in a conflicts situation, the APPEARANCE of conflict is just as important as an actual conflict as it is the perception of conflict that should be avoided and not just the actual conflict itself. I think we all know why Shari won’t take the high road here. Her reputation and our respect are obviously less important to her than her incestuous back door deals. And there are no “Green lights” on the high roads, are there?

Thank you HappyInMyWorld. I listened to the report.

The intersting part was the sound clip from Dr. Suter where she is recorded as saying that it is a good location which is not downtown but somewhat rural, with property around the actual centre. It is far enough away that the women are not in on all the activity happening in town but are close enough that if they need medical attention or anything else it is easy for the workers to get them there.

So, even in the rural location, the building needs a high fence around it with surveillance cameras on the exterior. Why? To protect the women or the neighbours or both?

And what is it about “all the activity in downtown” that would make the recovery centre unworkable in such a more dense location.

And why would the women need medical attention to the extent that they would have to be relatively close?

How often do those at the old Baldy Hughes site need medical attention that is so critical that they need to be close by?

Also, who said anything about downtown?

There are enough other places around to explore. Perhaps the Catholic Church would like to do a good deed for the community and work with the recovery centre to renovate all or part of the old Prince George College on O’Grady.

Gus; I do not think the Recovery Centre is a problem. I think the RURAL location is GREAT. Sorry, but you missed my point. I just wished I was as smart as you.”That is a Compliment”

Gus..double standard in this city
So, the question becomes, if IPG is here to help businesses locate in this city, I would think that they would not be prejudicial in the kinds of businesses they help.

What, if anything, has IPG’s involvement with this been? If none, why not? Perhaps they can help now. It is never too late.
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IPG – Heather Oland – L&M Engineering wrote up the first application to the city. She might live in the Haldi neighbourhood and also travelled to China with the mayor. Need I say more?

Bitter – with other posts you have written, you were once for the Haldi people. What has changed? Is it that now the OCP may be changed for all of the city and you feel you have had your fair share of problems in your neighbourhood and others should now have the problems? I do hope you realize Haldi is also RESIDENTIAL – just further apart from driveways in most of the area.

The reason I believe the people are fighting the city with the OCP is to stop all this nonsense. The city has had ample time to put a direction in the OCP. Even from the time it started in your area.

It happened in your area and now it is happening in another area. People are getting fed up.

I respect and appreciate that you have put your thoughts down to share with others. Without input to blogs like this some residents may find out to late the history this city keeps repeating itself. It needs to stop. This city needs to start being more accountable to it’s people.

Many of the Haldi people in my opinion feel outraged that one developer can have the clout to do a major amendment like this for one spot of land that affects the whole city. The people are trying to inform the people of this city and it looks like people are starting to listen because it will affect their neighbourhoods next.

I personally will help with this fight as much as I can by signing petitions etc like I did with the dike petition, KMPG input and the OCP input to name a few. By the way – I did not vote for Green and a few others :)

Posted by: bitter on August 20 2012 6:38 PM
In this City the Government and who knows who else buys property then worries about getting the zoning later. Queensway St. is a example of this. The Haldi Road residents did what the residents of my area of town could not do. What Residential Area are they going to be shopping in next??

Posted by: bitter on December 19 2012 9:25 AM
You can’t win, did you see the editorial in the Citizen today its one sided and very BIAS and thats how the game is played. By providing all these great services we are importing more of the unwanted here,this is not only about Haldi Road it affects the whole City.Why not find a nice spot in Quesnel, why do we have to have it all??

Why do we not hear from First Nations bands in the area what they have tried to do? Have they considered working together for a centre? Hutda Lake is not available because of treaty negotiations. Surely if this type of facility is required there must be land available either in the city limits or outside they can utilize.

guesswhat; I feel very much for the people in the Haldi area, I have been their done that. I have watched the value of our homes drop. we have had more of our share of problems, the latest is the Government purchase of Victoria Towers Housing who knows who from who knows where. If Haldi Rd. wins and I hope they do, what area of this City do you think they will go shopping in??They walk all over us and there will be not use fighting “THEY WIN” You have no Idea what my area of town has been through,to try to stay a strong ,healthy, and sustainable area. Its what we all want. But no one cares about us now you know why I am bitter.

bitter – Thank you for sharing, it allows others to see not things are rosy. From the first meeting the Haldi residents were told they would not see any affects of their neighbourhood. They even got people to speak to it. Those that are affected are not chosen to speak….Like I mentioned earlier, thank you for sharing, now others can see the affects the city’s bullying tactics have done to its citizens.

Its late and I am making mistakes , We have had more than our share of problems, starting with the Hooker transfer.Our meeting was set up in the Native Friendship Center ,why?? your meeting was set up in a School, you just had to listen to a group of First Nations drummers sing a prayer for women,I also could ask why to that. There is lots of Seniors in my area of town and good people living in the area,but lots of people have moved ,my neighbour says he wishes I would move , I would if I could.Thanks guesswhat for saving my blogs.

How much of an aboriginal issue is this? I certainly got the impression at the meeting that it is a very large aboriginal issue.

I would like to know how many of the women are projected to be aboriginal. I realize that this is a question many do not wish to answer. It is one of the unspoken aspect of such a proposal.

So we actually have several more dimensions to this facility in a neighbourhood such as Haldi Road.

Is this the real driver on both sides of the issue?

Bitter, your words touch my heart. I, too, have been the victim of a high density pet project in my back yard and all the mature trees in my Greenbelt were lost in the process as a result of “an unfortunate mistake”. I was the crazy lady in my pyjamas trying to stop the bulldozer, but all to no avail. I live here because I adore the kind and forgiving nature of Pigonians. I often consider moving elsewhere because of the corruption in our municipal government. It does make us bitter. But the people of the north are strong, too. It is time to stand up to these bullies. We can win this. We can still make PG the city it should be if we unite forces. I believe our moment is now.

Do not know for sure if it is the real driver. I agree it is one of the unspoken aspect of such a proposal. If one goes back and looks at the people who spoke for the centre on the city webcast and the recent meeting, First Nation drummers do not normally perform unless it involves their people or are asked. Like I mentioned, why are the bands not working together and be accountable for their people? Are they not to be attaining their own medical system soon? First Nations per capita I believe had the highest demographic per capita attending further education in Canada did they not? We have some of the brightest out west compared to other areas of Canada. Is there to much politics that the bands cannot come together? Hutda Lake stays closed due to Treaty Negotiation instead of helping their own? Something is wrong with this pitcure.

Baldy Hughs from their website:•Spiritual Development (including Native spirituality)

But when you view any information from the Womens centre on what they offer, it involves more in the Native spirituality.

Cautionary measures need to be applied and investigate before council and Mayor consider any drastic changes to the OCP. This OCP change is not good for Prince George but rather just removed a road block for council to have its way with the citizens of Prince George.
It is my opinion the citizen of Prince George will take back our City. Council will have no choice but to ether act or face a rocky road ahead. I have studied the financial information for 2011 of this city. The spending is out of control and we can not possibly sustain the top heavy city administration. $700,000 + just for expenses submitted to City not including any of the councillors in 2011.

A past statement was made:

“The Lheidli T’enneh are very supportive of having it,” Krause said. “Of course, the province is only willing to release that property from treaty once there is a business plan and funding model in place. That work is ongoing.”

The first nation bands have business partnerships within the provincial government and private business; such as for on the Lheidli T’enneh website:

Lheidli delivers government health, education, social services, road maintenance and other programs in partnership with Health Canada, Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, and the BC Ministry of Children and Families.

So why has a business plan not been started by the various bands? Each one has an economical development department do they not? IPG is also available to assist businesses in this area as well.

The more I think about this the more I see a pattern ALL stakeholders will not work together for the best interest of the people.

“I see a pattern ALL stakeholders will not work together for the best interest of the people.”

Not unlike all the other people in this country and the world. It is the human factor.

Just imagine what the world would be like if we worked cooperatively.

GUS and Guesswhat

Why don’t you two just exchange phone numbers and save us some repeditive posts?

57chevy

I notice you are not participating in this “conversation”. You are just lurking.

Perhaps we could all just get each other’s phone numbers or even skype addresses for those who use that system.It would give everyone’a fingers a bit of a rest.

But, Ben would not like it …. ;-)

Respectively speaking to opinion 250. Meisner has no limit on how many times you can post. But when you take 33% of the posts on this story and can not get your point across it becomes boring and readers will go else were anyways. Thank you.

In Jan.14th Citizen there is a Editorial about Haldi Rd. The Editor writes ,In an ideal world the Northern Supportive Recovery Centre for Women would be built in another neighbourhood where it would be WELCOMED and supported, rather than Haldi Rd. “YOU THINK” It should not be going in any residential area.

As a concerned citizen who attended the meeting at Vanway School, I can’t help but remember the women Sharon Hurd (sp?) who got up and spoke. She is a woman who seems to be heavily involved and educated in the world of addictions. She spoke with her heart/experience in her efforts to inform the public. Sharon has been working with the Hutda Lake Wellness group (from the beginning) and when she approached the Northern Supportive Recovery Center back in early 2011, in the efforts to work together for the comman goal to help women with addictions, was quickly shunned by Marshall Smith because of the different models regarding abstinense and harm reduction. Regardless of the two models I hope all can put aside the differences and can work together. It seems Prince George has wasted so much time, efforts and money in fighting the commen goal to help people with addictions. I ask Mayor Green and council to decline OCP Amendment Bylaw No. 8474, and ask all parties involved to step back, take a deep breath. We need to all work together. If it’s at all possible, let’s have a fresh start and start at the very beginning. We can do this Prince George!!!!