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More Core Review Ideas Move Forward

Monday, January 28, 2013 @ 4:58 PM
Prince George, B.C.-  Another round of opportunities from the Core Review will be heading to Council with recommendations for further consideration.
The Committee of the Whole met this afternoon and examined each of the latest 20 opportunities presented.  
 
Here are the  opportunities and the  Committee’s recommendations:
 
Idea
Potential Savings / or Revenue
Recommend Council Approval?
Consider continuing the following land sales in progress:
·        University Heights single family lots
·        RCMP Parking lot
·        Tennis Courts off Highway 16
·        Wood Innovation Centre
 
 
$3.6 million
No estimate
$3 million
No estimate
 
Councillor Brian Skakun wanted to know why some of the items are on the list, when they have already been in the works for years. Mayor Green responded that it is time for an update, particularly on the property items "It might come back, sold,sold, not for slae, no market at this time, whatever the case may be" says Green.
 
Councillor Everitt also echoed the call for an update on the property items .

Consider the following additional land sales:
·        North Nechako City lands
·        City owned downtown commercial sites
·        Alternate location for Studio 2880-sell site
·        Dominion and 6th for student residences
 
 
 
$1.3 million
No estimate
 
No estimate
 
No estimate
 
 
 The above item and this one have been moved to Council for discussion in a closed session.
Consider increasing the cost of ice time at rinks to increase recovery of the operations costs
 
Between $600 to $930 thousand
 Mayor Green says  P.G. has the lowest rates particularly  when it comes to adult  rates.  "I would support moving the rates to  the norm,  around the same  as Kamloops" She put forth a  motion that calls for City staff to bring forth a bylaw that would boost the rates to match that  of Kamloops".
Council will have the final say on whether such a  change will be  approved.
 
Identify illegal suites being rented out  ensure safety, zoning and building compliances assessment and utility bills appropriate
 
$50-$100 thousand

           

 Council has already  passed a  Standards of Maintenance  bylaw  which deals with building exterior, this would be the second  piece. "it sends a signal  to landlords that the City is concerned about appropriate accommodation" says Mayor Green. 
The committee  approved advancing this to Council for further consideration.
 
Remove funding towards operation of Little Prince Steam Train $15 thousand

Mayor Green says the item was  brought this forward,  but her motion  would switch this to the "do not bring forward mode".  The funding for the Litttle Prince has now   been  made part of a City budget, under Community  Services.   The committee is  calling on ouncil to  NOT proceed with the recommendation.

 

Establish fees in planning department  for:
·        Providing comparative and analytical information
·        Development works agreements
·        Legal agreements
·        Proforma agreements
·        Amendments
·        Increase fees for building inspections
 
 
Up to $25 thousand
Council will be asked to call on Staff to  bring forth a  schedule of  fees.
councillor Frizzell says it is important people understand these are "optional" services.
Grounds Maintenance:
·        Stop maintaining excess tennis courts, or convert in other community facilities such as sport fields
 
 
$10 thousand
 
"I am not sure we have excess tennis courts" says Mayor Green. She says she would like to  see if in fact there are tennins courts which aren’t being used and if there is  an opportunity  for such property.  Council will be asked to  have staff bringback a reportontennis courts and maintenance.
 
Drinking Water:
·        Shut off chemical fluoride injection system and provide drops to those who require it
 
 
$50 thousand
 
"If it is a health matter, shouldn’t Northern Health be paying the bill?" asked  Mayor Green.  She said it is an item that could be  added to a referendum at the next election, and she would be in support of that.
Committee supported asking  Council to include a referendum question on the next election about further use offluoride, and  that  staff  ask Northern Health to consider continuing to fund the fluoridation
 
Community Planning:
·        Consider expansion of RS4 zoning (smaller lots) and strata lots
 
No estimate
 
In prticular, this refers to allowing gated communities within the city limits,  The Committee has  supported  moving this to Council
Financial Services:
·        Collect unpaid property taxes eg: mobile homes, and seize if required
 
$0 – $50 thousand
 
 
There are $280 thousand dollars outstanding in property taxes.
This item will be moved forward to Council to ask staff for a full report.
"It certainly would be a strong deterrent to see a  trailer being hitched up and pulled away" says Mayor Green
 
Fleet Services:
·        Review usage rate of all vehicles and equipment
·        Ensure city vehicle best solution for low volume vehicles and equipment
·         
 
No estimate
 
This has been done already, no further action required.
Report done last summer resulted in 12 thousand in revenue from sale of 5 units that were not needed and  an annual budget reduction of $8 grand.
 
 
Customer Service Centre:
·        Move more transactions to the website, i.e: tax and utility payments- providing education for users by staff at peak payment times
 
 
$0 – $20 thousand
 
Acting City Manager Kathleen Soltis says putting more things on the web would cost more in money and time,  but there are things that can be done to  get the public to  use the  existing  online service .
Council  will be asked to  find ways to get the public to use online payment opportunities
 
Customer Service Centre:
·        Re-design it to be a one stop shop for City administrative services and be the one point of contact for customer/client/citizen enquiries related to all City services, eg: bylaw and development permit questions, managing reservation for City share car and room bookings. Provide a system that manages public points of contact
 
 
 
No estimate
 
"There is more that can be done" says Kathleen Soltis, but she adds  this would need a budget.  Front line staff would be part of the consultation  process on how to improve  this service.
Motion calls for Council to direct administration to implement  this item.
 
Economic Development:
·        Reform IPG governance to increase accountability and communication with the City. Add more members from Council to the Board
 
 
No estimate
 
IPG will be  coming to Council in the near future with their updated articles, as they have already  made changes to their governance, so no  further action required.
 
Fleet Services:
·        Provide fleet maintenance for RCMP vehicles used outside of PG detachment jurisdiction. Also provide maintenance to non-police vehicles such as ambulance North District Fleet
 
 
$0-$100 thousand 
 
The cost benefit  report indicated  it would take about $200 grand for equipment, and costs for  extra staff and training as the bulk of the work is body work, brakes, and engine repairs.  The  payback time was deemed too long to be  practical. 
The committee has asked for a copy of the report for further   examination.  Mayor Green opposed the motion.
 
Police Services:
·        Re-engineer Police report writing and administrative duties so police can focus on crime reduction
 
 
$250-$500 thousand
 
Although not knowing how such a change would impact  court cases,  Mayor Green says she would support  having someone else  write the report  so officers can beback on the streets.  The Committee is calling for this item to be discussed  with Superintendent Stubbs  to see what the legal implications might be.   Rob Whitwham,  advised the jurisdiction  lies withthe province as there is  legislation which requires  the use of the PRIME system. 
 
Roads and Sidewalks:
·        Change road cut fees to take into account the deterioration of the road- based on  age of road surface. (highest fee for new road, decling over time)
 
 
$0-$100 thousand
 
Council will be asked to direct  Administration  to  develop a bylaw that would increase the road cut fees.
Grounds Maintenance:
·        Contract out grass cutting for parks and boulevards
 
 
No estimate

           

 
The motion put forth by  Mayor Green  was defeated.  It called on  Council to direct administration to  develop a report on contracting out  and "what it looks like".
 
"I think all we need to do is to reflect on last summer wen we decided to limit the amount of cutting   in  our parks and boulevards" said Councillor Frank Everitt.  "At least if we keep it in house we know what the costs would be and we can control it."
 
Councillors Krause, Skakun, Everitt and Frizzell were opposed,  while Councillors Stolz, Koehler, and Mayor Green  supported  the motion. Councillors Hall and Wilbur were absent.
Transit:
·        Advertising banners on transit services
 
 
No estimate
 
Councillor Stolz says this is a waste of time as  BC Transit’s contract  gives  BC Transit  the  rights to advertising.  The  item died on the table and will not be moved forward.
Synergies:
·        Consider synergies between City and Regional District, working together to save money ( eg., Human resources, IT, roads)
 
No estimate
 
Mayor Green says there are already convesations between the City Manager and the Regional District.  Councillor Frank Everitt says there are synergies in things like health and  welfare benefits  as the combined staff numbers  would give create some savings.   The Committee  has moved this forward  to Council for further consideration.
 
 
Here are the  recommendations  the Committee of the whole  will now ask Council to remove from the list of opportunities and take no further action:
Idea
Cost Savings  or Revenue
 
Sports Fields and Parks:
·        Consider reviewing and revising user fees/rates for sports fields and parks
 
$100 -$200 thousand

 

Councillor Stolz says  adult rates in Kamloops are  about 50% higher,  and  he would like to see  Staff come back with a report on adjusting sport field rental rates  for adult  use of  sports fields and parks.    passed unanimously.

Inclusion Programs:
·        Consider dedicating a portion of increased revenues from above to enhance inclusion programs to improve accessibility of sport and recreation activities
 
Would COST between$225 and $383 thousand

 

Committee supported  no further consideration of this item.

CN Centre and Community Arenas:
·        Reduce season/hours of operation to eliminate low usage periods
 
No estimate

 

"We’ve got folks in the hockey community who want more ice timenot less" says Mayor Green, so this item will not move forward.

 

Fleet Services:
·        Stop investing in Green Vehicles until it is the most economic solution based on life cycle costing
 
No estimate

 

 Mayor Green says the City is a 1/4 owner  in an electrical  car, and  it came  from contributions from the Federal gas tax.  The Committee  is advising this item not  be moved forward.

 

Roads and Sidewalks:
·        Reduce frequency of street sweeping downtown in summer, ( make it bi-weekly rather than weekly)
$8-$13 thousand

 

"This goes against the air quality initiatives we have" says Mayor Green.  The Committee supported unanimously that Council not move forward on this item.

 

Transit:
Reduce BC Transit costs by checking riders/hours of all routes and adjusting service:
·        Use smaller buses or taxis on low use routes
·        Reduce target service level of service within 400 m of 95% of homes
·        Adjust  routes to better reflect actual demand, reduce low use routes and at low use times of day
 
$350-$700 thousand

 

Staff has  given this item  extensive review, and it is viewed as a success story. 

the committee is advising council leave this item alone.

Prince George has one of the highest rates of increased ridership says Mayor Green.

 
 
 
 
The  items will come forward at the February 18th meeting of Council for final  direction

Comments

Interesting that Mayor Green is wondering why Northern Health isn’t paying the bill for fluoridation.
Astonishingly enough, City Councils have been given the power to do what no Health Authority, Dr or Dentist can do – force people to take medication. That includes fluoride.

The core review cost over one third of a million dollars. Will the recommendations, if acted upon, recover this cost as well as effectively reducing the tax burden on the property owners of PG? I would like the various media to address this situation. Presently, the City Council is increasing the costs to property owners in leaps and bounds. Is this saying that the Council had little faith in the core review? I hope we will see a final accounting of this exercise, in the very near future.

The core review cost more than the entire pay for the mayor for her whole term… the cost of marketing her agenda IMO. I don’t think its about reducing property taxes one bit… she seems kind of eager about seizing property to make them pay.

One piece of good news though would be the referendum on fluoride in the city water. I support that… and if a referendum on fluoride then why not major capital expenditures as well?

so mayor green wants to stick it to hockey players and raise our ice rates?

I joined the group that worked to put her in power cause I was told she would get us a new arena and now she wants to jack up our already high rental rates. Man talk about a stab in the back.

If she and councilor stolz think we should be paying the same as Kamloops, maybe she would also be in favor of balancing the taxes businesses pay so they are the same as Kamloops.

I was told businesses in Kamloops pays 50% more than in PG and that means we as homeowners have to pay more to cover the difference. Now those who love to lace up the blades will also have to pay more. Nice move. Five minutes for checking from behind I say.

Haha lol…talk about reap what you sow. The shortsightedness of the ‘hockey’ crowd that got their collective panties in a knot and stuck it to ole Dan the man over his handling of the ‘new’ rink are whining now! Shoulda actually put some serious thought and research into who should be mayor!! I guess Dan wasn’t that bad after all eh? Enjoy….

We really really need a “quote button” on this site. Anyway, here we go.

posted by mitch2 quote (so mayor green wants to stick it to hockey players and raise our ice rates?

I joined the group that worked to put her in power cause I was told she would get us a new arena and now she wants to jack up our already high rental rates. )end quote

I am for one happy to see someone do the right thing and become an activist. Stand up and work for what you believe in and all that.

( I was told businesses in Kamloops pays 50% more than in PG and that means we as homeowners have to pay more to cover the difference. )end quote

So you were told, got a link to that? enough with the “I was told BS” put up some facts, it’s not rocket science. Where are the facts?

At the end of the day it costs XXX amount of money to run whatever venue you want to play in but here’s the rub you can do it for less.

Within the winter sports community here there are many who own land, land that could be very well turned into a rink or whatever.

So here is where the debate begins, lay it out and make a rink, volunteer to clean the snow off and flood it from time to time and above all else play the game.

This could be and has been done at little cost to all those who choose to do so.

What is posted above is “almost free” but it does take some time out of your life to volunteer for this.

Wanna send a message, boycott the city owned properties and do your own thing on outdoor rinks.

Who want’s to lay money down on a reply basically saying “I ain’t got time for that” to them who say it, or post it and think it is………

You gotta pay to play.

Seems that Green wants to cherry pick when it comes to ice fees. A better approach would be to check fees charged in northern communities like Vanderhoof, McBride, Smithers, Burns Lake, McKenzie, and see what their ice rental rates are.
Council is always fast on the draw to compare a more expensive facility elsewhere to justify raising taxes or user fees for the home owner. Maybe it is time for council to look around at facilities that cost less elsewhere and justify why it cost more in PG.
If council was really concerned with controlling costs things like the PG hotel purchase, energy system, cop shop, downtown property purchases, trips to China, river road dike, FCM, would never have been considered.

Resident: “A better approach would be to check fees charged in northern communities like Vanderhoof, McBride, Smithers, Burns Lake, McKenzie, and see what their ice rental rates are.”

Who cares what their rates are? The fees have to make up for the cost of operating the facility, no matter where it is.

This comment goes out the posters complaining that ice rental fees might go up.

Why should taxpayers subsidize adult hockey or exercise? I am all for subsidizing youth activities, hockey, etc, because we as a society should support the youth of our city — if only because some youth may not otherwise be exposed to these activities.

But why should city taxpayer’s support an adult’s activity? Should the city to this to promote Physical activity as one person suggested? If you accept that argument then the city should be subsidizing gym memberships or perhaps golf memberships…..where do you stop? No, hockey in a city facility for physical activity is a choice. It shouldn’t be subsidized, there are choices for physical activity that can be undertaken for free — walking, jogging, or, as someone suggested, playing hockey on your own outdoor rink. Perhaps, someone could enlighten me, but I can’t find a reason that taxpayer’s should support sharing the cost of an adult’s ice time.

Frankly, whatever it costs the city per hour to operate an arena should be the cost that adults pay to rent that arena.

This comment goes out the posters complaining that ice rental fees might go up.

Why should taxpayers subsidize adult hockey or exercise? I am all for subsidizing youth activities, hockey, etc, because we as a society should support the youth of our city — if only because some youth may not otherwise be exposed to these activities.

But why should city taxpayer’s support an adult’s activity? Should the city to this to promote Physical activity as one person suggested? If you accept that argument then the city should be subsidizing gym memberships or perhaps golf memberships…..where do you stop? No, hockey in a city facility for physical activity is a choice. It shouldn’t be subsidized, there are choices for physical activity that can be undertaken for free — walking, jogging, or, as someone suggested, playing hockey on your own outdoor rink. Perhaps, someone could enlighten me, but I can’t find a reason that taxpayer’s should support sharing the cost of an adult’s ice time.

Frankly, whatever it costs the city per hour to operate an arena should be the cost that adults pay to rent that arena.

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