UNBC providing this program ? don’t gt it thought hey were for higher learning. Three weeks and ou will have a job that may pay $10 hour if your lucky.You need morethan a 3 week program to find a job that wil pay more in this line of work. what did UNBC get in cash for this one.

I suspect that the pay for these jobs runs between minimum wage and at best $15.00 per hour.

What does UNBC get?? Who knows, at the very least they can probably count these individuals who take this course as **students** and this will help drive up their full time equivelant student numbers, which in turn will increase their funding from the Provincial Government.

Its a sad day indeed if this is what is happening. This is a University not a training ground for low level jobs. Companies have been training their own security staff in this area for years.

So in essence we have Government money from the Canada-British Columbia Labour Market Agreement, being given to a University to train people for free, and the students who take this course are probably added to the FTE student count, which means that the Provincial Government will give the Univeristy more money for funding, because funding is based on the total number of FTE Undergraduate Students.

Around and around she go’s, where she stops, nobody knows.

This looks like a winner to me.
Gov’t & UNBC are delivering a short course to help some unemployed people find entry-level jobs and a start on the ladder of success. How can this be wrong?
Universities haven’t been all about degrees for a long time.
CL

Pal your so cruel. Here is our university trying to help themselves, I mean help some unemployed person and your right on their back. Just imagine some security person with a university degree.
Cheers

I also question UNBC giving this course. Makes one wonder just what financial shape the uni is in. Seems more like something CNC should be offering. Commissionaires BC I believe already offer this training. Why reinvent the wheel, contract to them for the course.

Retired says Just imagine some security person with a university degree

You would be surprised how many security guards have a degree. Only job they can get after a poor career choice.

Makes you wonder just what would be a “good career choice”. As soon as something seems like that’s “it”, the next group following those that filled the great shortage (that really wasn’t so great after all ~ it never is) are told they’ve made a poor choice, and their only hope is re-training. Sure glad I don’t have to make any choices like that nowadays. It was bad enough in my day, but it’s infinitely worse today. And will be even more so in the future.

What’s wrong with security guards? We need them, and it’s the perfect position for someone who’s reliable who might not have a lot of experience, skills, or education.

What’s wrong with security guards?
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Thers is nothing wrong about a security guard.
The question is should a university be offering this training. As suggested the colledge would be a more appropriate place for the training.
Cheers

What differenice does the location this course is taught at make?

The article does not blatantly spell it out for all the quick-to-judge, negative posters here … but the course is in “Continuing Studies” not the degree-granting/academic stream of studies.

All universities offer a different selection of CS. UNBC has a lot of industry-based options like this. UBC offers a wine appreciation course. UofC offers how to parent teens. At any higher learning institution, you will find CS courses that are a mix of personal & professional development.

The BC Justice Institute has an on line course as explained here plus advanced and specialized courses:
http://www.jibc.ca/programs-courses/schools-departments/school-public-safety-security/justice-public-safety-division/security-training-programs

The Justice Institute, I believe, is one of the high standard providers of such programs. They may, actually, be contracted by UNBC. I doubt UNBC has created this course themselves.

Here is a local supplier of such training which has been working with CNC according to the site.
http://www.nbcguardacademy.com

Here is the Act anyone who becomes certified in the security industry has to meet, so those who do the training have to meet that requirement.
http://www.bclaws.ca/EPLibraries/bclaws_new/document/ID/freeside/00_07030_01

The Justice Institute, according to their site, works with the following post secondary institutions: Douglas College, Langara College, Northern Lights College, Thompson Rivers University.

So why does UNBC offer it? They may have won an RFP, or they may have been quick off the mark and went hunting for it.

Oh, BTW, Kamloops does not have a community college anymore. It has turned itself into Thompson Rivers University.

Perhaps there is good competition at work here. Healthy? For now ….. until UNBC absorbs CNC to become another TRU….. ;-)

This is yet another way by BC government to provide additional funding to UNBC to fill the multi-million $ deficit gap in UNBC.

Cozzetto in 2007 hired a firm to look at funding and spending in UNBC and concluded that the problem in UNBC is a huge over-spending problem. UNBC is being paid 30-40% more in funding (per student) than universities like Fraser Valley University.

Too much mismanagement in this university and I hope the next BC NDP government will correct the problem by a radical surgery of the UNBC board and the UNBC current administration.

“We’re even hiring actors for role-playing to simulate real world situations that the students might encounter in security work,”

They should invite Ocean 11 Clooney and heist gang for teaching security!

I heard that the University is also giving **free** courses on warehousing. Free in the sense that some other department of Government is paying for it.

None of these courses should be put on by the University, and the only rationale for doing so is to get their FTE numbers up.

I agree with UNIV it just another way to get the funding up.

This University is in financial difficulty, however, like the City itself, and the Airport Authority, none of them will admit that they have a financial problem.

Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

I would venture a guess that most people who take this **free** course will have a grade 12 education or less, however that will be acceptable.

Part of the ongoing problem is that a large percentage of people who hire security also require them to have first aid, and in addition a large portion of them, especially the Pulp mills, etc require a University Education.

So where does the graduate go for a job.

My guess is midnight shift at some remote industrial site back in the bushes, at $12.00 per hour.

I wore this UBC sweatshirt for the longest time. This girl said to me, “Did you go to UBC?” I replied, “Yeah, I took medicine for four years”. Then I added, “Now I’m all better”. Maybe Pine Centre Mall was gonna have an “in house” course on security. But UNBC probably over ruled them. Hands on and all that.

I read a sign the other day that said

I suffer from Kliptomania, and when it gets really bad I take something for it.

“Nero fiddled while Rome burned.”

Actually that is not likely true. Rome burned on several occasions in several section, never the entire city. Sort of like the Chicago fire and other city fires in the more modern world.

What did our city mayors do when we had major fires, flooding, etc.?

“We’re even hiring actors for role-playing to simulate real world situations that the students might encounter in security work,”

The RCMP camp at CH secondary each spring break doe the same, except the “actors” are volunteers. I did it once. Quite an interesting experience. I did not do waht they wanted. The students were confused with what to do, but the police officer eventually caught on, took the students aside and suggested they try a new tactic. They did do that, which was the appropriate response and I followed along to allow the “issue” to be resolved as it should be. A very interesting experience.

The contract of UNBC president, Dr George Iwama, expires next year in 2014 and I really don’t know what has been his legacy over his first 4 years in office in UNBC.

He is in real trouble with the declining enrollments, growing budget deficit, and wasteful spending on lawyer fees in legal cases against UNBC, unhappy striking staff and unprecedented number of grieving faculty members lined up in courts, tribunals and commissions complaining of UNBC unfair labor practices, discrimination and information and job in-security.

The sea is stormy and the captain of UNBC’s ship is in trouble. Can he survive the storm or will he sink the ship in the Ocean (14)?

Any LIFE guard program in UNBC?

“Nero fiddled while Rome burned.”
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Obviously they actually built their Wood Innovation Centre.

So how many others who are employed by UNBC think as you do univ?

If you do not know what his legacy is anymore, it appears you may no longer be employed there.

If that is the case, why do you care?

Actually, I think they built their stone and concrete innovation centre over time, getting away from the wood wherever they could.

Witness that some of the concrete and stone components which survived the plundering of the middle ages are still standing some 2000 years later, while the wood either rotted or was used for fire wood, etc. :-)

I do not think that today’s public buildings will last anywhere ner that long, even if only because of our wastefullness of infrastucture.

“My guess is midnight shift at some remote industrial site back in the bushes, at $12.00 per hour.”

As opposed to welfare, Pal? Would you be happier with that?

gus, I am simply stating the publicly available facts about a public institution. You and your colleagues in UNBC public relations should tell us what has been achieved over the past 4 years in UNBC? Don’t try to change the topic. Inform us what is his legacy?