If you thought you’ve bad science at its worst from the anti-Enbridge wackos, wait till the debate on floride comes up.
ie. Did you know that in the 1950’s, floride was ‘proven’ to be a poisen introduced by the Commies to poison our children…

“results there were tight, with 1510 voting to continue fluoridation, and 1102 voting to stop the practice.” These results have 58% voting to maintain flouridation and 42% opposed; I wouldn’t call a 16% difference exactly “tight”.

Fully agree with Birdman about the anti-flouride group, but can’t believe such a sensible man could possibly be so wrong about those who oppose the Northern Gateway pipeline! ;)

Science vs. Conspiracy Theories…

You have to hand it to the anti-fluoride group. They are very vocal (with very little to back it up) and yet they somehow forced this item to a referendum. The only question is if PG voters are smart enough to not listen to the vocal minority.

Why is it that Prince George is in the minority when compared to the rest of BC (one of 3 communities left fluoridating the water) and Canada (only 30% of communities still fluoridating the water)?
Coming soon to a grocery/drug store near you…ALL of the makers of the major brands of toothpaste are giving you a choice. You can buy their fluoridated toothpaste or their non-fluoridated toothpaste (marketed for children). Check the label on the fluoridated kind and see the warning – used to be for children under 2, it’s now for children under 6. The reason – our children are being over fluoridated. 50% of children have some form of dental fluorosis.

This referendum is not about limiting a person’s access to fluoride – it’s about choice. Get it out of our drinking water so that everyone has the right to decide if they want fluoride as part of their dental program.
BTW – dentists in the US, the most fluoridated country in the world, are sending out the alarm that dental caries are on the rise. If fluoride was everything it was purported to be, we wouldn’t have any cavities in PG and caries shouldn’t be on the rise in the US.

Dentists are now looking at xylitol to help combat dental caries.

“The only question is if PG voters are smart enough to not listen to the vocal minority”

You want to talk vocal minority JB, remember that the HST was culled by 700,000 dudley do-rights out of a province of 4.5 million ;)

Why put fluride in water,don,t you have to get it in your mouth to benefit? I would think most people use bottled water to drink. I would think most city water would be used for showers , flushing toilets and industrial use

Here is a list of Canadian cities which have STOPPED fluoridation in the last two decades:

Williams Lake Nov 2011, Lake Cowichan Nov 2011, Okotoks, Alberta – 23-April-2012 Tecumseh, Ontario March 13, 2012 Wynyard, Saskatchewan – March 1, 2012 Amherstburg, Ontario – February 6, 2012 Moncton, New Brunswick – December 19, 2011 Dieppe, New Brunswick– December 12, 2011 -Lake Cowichan, British Columbia –November 19, 2011, -Williams Lake, British Columbia –November 19, 2011 Lakeshore, Ontario – October 31, 2011 -Churchill, Manitoba – October 16, 2011 -Slave Lake, Alberta – September 12, 2011 Taber, Alberta – July 20, 2011 -Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan – July 4, 2011 Calgary, Alberta – February 8, 2011 -Vercheres, Quebec – February 7, 2011 Athabaska, Alberta – November 1, 2010 – Waterloo, St. Jacobs, Elmira, Ontario– October 25, 2010 Gatineau, Quebec – May 5, 2010 -Thunder Bay, Ontario – July 21, 2009 Cranberry Portage, Manitoba – January 1, 2009 Drayton Valley, Alberta – December 31, 2008 Kingston, Ontario (Canadian Forces Base) – May 2008 Dryden, Ontario – April 2008 Quebec City, Quebec – April 1, 2008 Region of Niagara, Ontario – January 24, 2008 Golden, British Columbia – November 19, 2005 Burns Lake, British Columbia – June 25, 2003 Dutton-Dunwich, Ontario – June 2003 West Elgin, Ontario – June 2003 Cobalt, Ontario – December 11, 2001 Kamloops, British Columbia – October 13, 2001 -Whitehorse, Yukon – July 28, -1998 Kitimat, British Columbia – March 1998 -Kelowna, British Columbia – November 16, 1996 Campbell River, British Columbia – April 1993 Port Hardy, British Columbia –November 1993 Squamish, British Columbia – November 1993 Comox-Courtenay, British Columbia –February 1992…etc.

B.C. 98% fluoride free! Free choice! The trend is obvious and one day PG will also respect the principle of individual freedom of choice…

Waterloo, Ontario stopped just now.

PG: “They’re doing it, so we should be doing it too”.

Where’s the science? Where are the victims of fluoridation if it is such a harmful practice?

Forget science, is government controlled medication of the population through their water supply ethcial or just?

I am on the fence on this one.

From what I have read, fluoridation of water has no benefit to people with good oral hygine and it seems wrong to force us to consume an unneccessary supplement. On the other hand it does have some benefit to people with very poor oral hygine and limited access to dental care (for example, poor and/or neglected kids).

It is essentially a trade off between personal freedom of choice and public policy attempting to reduce the damage caused by the personal freedom of some parents out there.

I agree with birdman that we are going to see all kinds of crazy claims about flouride in this debate. Some people think that it is a chemical weapon designed in some frankenlaboratory.

The fact is that flouride occurs naturally in our water supply and always has. Dinosaurs drank flouride in their water. The city is just upping the flouride content.

Well, yes, water fluoridation would be unethical if it were indeed ineffective and dangerous, but it is not.

Why does no one argue the ethics behind chlorination, or other water treatment methods? They certainly violate the ‘informed consent’ issue that anti-fluoridation movement consistently argues is evidence of an unethical government conspiracy.

Well that does it for me….as long as I live here I will be buying the bottled water without flouride, if I can find some. Like I say….AS LONG AS I LIVE HERE IN P.G.!!

Birdman, communist dictatorships deny their citizens freedom of personal choice. Certainly you would agree that in Canada we shouldn’t deny citizens the personal freedom of choice in respect to medications added to drinking water, eh?

J.B., You show ME that there are NO victims of artificial fluoridation! The hospitals have far too many patients with hip fractures caused by brittle bones, patients with kidney, bladder and thyroid problems and Alzheimers.

Perhaps we can do the right thing and eliminate all contaminants from food and water, including eliminating hydrofluorosilicic fluoride from drinking water. Calcium fluoride which occurs in nature is totally different from the industrial waste fluoride which also is contaminated with mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic and eight other dangerous substances.

Anyone who claims that the city is just giving Mother Nature a hand by adding this stuff to the tap water is full of it.

PG: “J.B., You show ME that there are NO victims of artificial fluoridation! The hospitals have far too many patients with hip fractures caused by brittle bones, patients with kidney, bladder and thyroid problems and Alzheimers. “

So your contention is that fluoride caused these considitons? Are you a doctor and do you have some sort of scientific proof? If not, stop the fear mongering. It’s irresponsible.

PG. Fluoride is fluoride. If your complaint is that the city is using contaminated fluoride then we should investigate but this debate is over whether we should add more fluoride to the water.

PG, it is scientifically impossible to prove non-existence; in your example it would be impossible to prove that flouridation does not cause some form of illness. Indeed, as the person making the wild accusations, the onus is on you to prove that there is a relationship.

But let’s think about something: if it could be shown that there is an actual relationship between the availability of flouride in the water supply (regardless of whether it is naturally occuring or added) do you not think there wouldn’t be considerable effort to remove said toxin?

After all, if flouride causes Alzheimers or osteoporosis, sure it would just be a simple matter of removing the naturally occuring flouride from the water supply, for as Kolberg correctly points out, “Flouride is flouride”?

Nope, as JB says, “You’re fear-mongering”.

I’ve made some of my points. 98% of B.C. is already industrial fluoride addition free. Somehow that fact seems to be escaping the attention of all the proponents of this needless, unethical and coercive practice. If you want fluoride get it at the dentist or the drugstore, please!

It’s only a matter of time when Prince George will have to do as the vast majority of the population of B.C.

I still don’t grasp what your main interest is in putting a chemical into my water, especially as a recent victim of the big C.

I don’t interfere with what you are choosing to eat, smoke or drink, so I wish you would stop mandating to me what I ought to drink or shower with.

Have fun, history and the trend to do away with this junk everywhere and once and for all is on MY side!

I’m taxing Ben’s patience, so it is over and out for now! Pull somebody else’s leg!

If you live in a fluoridated community your water is unsafe to drink. No toxicology studies on HFSA yet Declan Waugh’s Review shows us that we are being poisoned by Artificial Water Fluoridation using a toxic waste with no toxicology studies for long term use in tap water.

FROM DECLAN WAUGH’S REVIEW http://tinyurl.com/bnnumsu

It is particularly worth noting the statement of Richard A. Kunin, M.D.2 regarding fluoride exposure and disease burdens when he stated “the background (fluoride exposure) from all sources is increasing to such an extent that everyone with chronic medical symptoms has to consider fluoride as a probable cause, even before nutrient imbalance.” The enormity of the disparity between disease burdens in the ROI compared to NI when examined in light of the documented effects of fluorides on human health, as noted by the NRC and others, UNQUESTIONABLY DEMONSTRATE BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT, THAT INCREASED EXPOSURE TO FLUORIDE HAS PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN THE INCREASE IN DISEASE BURDENS AND MORTALITY IN THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND.

450% more early onset dementia in the Republic of Ireland. We are being poisoned by Artificial Water Fluoridation while the dentists and doctors tell us it is safe and effective.

read full review here. http://tinyurl.com/bnnumsu

There are no fear mongers here, Johnny Belt…only people who are concerned about their health….I am suprised you are not! If you open your eyes, you will read that 98% of B.C. is off of the flouride water. I always say….it is better to be safe than sorry. I agree totally with Prince George….a very concerned citizen!!

If irrigation water has added fluoride, it cannot be used in certified organic growing practices. It basically cuts off all opportunities for small lot farming on the city water system. Fluoridation is bad for business too.

Enbridge is doing a great job of being an Anti Enbridge wacko themselves. I mean look at their track record!

I’m glad I get to vote on this fluoride issue. It’s too bad the vote is based on saving money vs stopping the useless practice. But a vote is a vote. Now I hope the question isn’t worded so that no means yes and yes means no.

nonon: “There are no fear mongers here, Johnny Belt”

You apparently did’t read the post just above yours (amongst others).

Hopefully people can see past it, but I have my doubts.

I have read many posts and a lot of people do not like flouride in their water!

That’s what it’s all about nononsense – we just want a choice. And this choice is for everyone.

The fluoride-free movement is off to a wonderful start in 2013, with communities ending fluoridation at an unprecedented rate. In North America, nine communities with approximately 372,626 residents have voted to end existing fluoridation programs over the past two months, including:

Olivehurst & Plumas Lake, California
Smithville, Missouri
St. Croix, Wisconsin
Balsam Lake, Wisconsin
Windsor, La Salle, & Tecumseh, Ontario
Becancour, Quebec

This list doesn’t include the many communities that have voted to keep fluoride from being introduced into their drinking water. But even more impressive then the momentum in North America is the groundswell of opposition in Australia right now.

Since the Queensland State government ended the statewide fluoridation mandate three months ago, 29 communities with approximately 464,748 residents have voted to end fluoridation in Queensland. Most recently the Fraser Coast Regional Council (with a population of 102,080) voted 8-3 to stop fluoridation, followed by the town of Conclurry, where Mayor Andrew Daniels said of fluoridation:

“The ongoing cost is one thing…local government shouldn’t have to supply that to the community when it’s easy for them to keep a toothbrush and toothpaste and take care of their own teeth,” he said.