So sell us YOUR plan Dix or are you too busy practicing memo writing?

Memo ? is that the best you can come up with? if the libs spent the 16 plus million on something other than promoting themself we would be better off.Dont care what government is in power then they spend this kind of money on crap it tells you something about the job they have really done.

the sooner the liebs leave the province the better.

What, Candice the electrician has been fired. The end of another fairy tale.And the unemployment reat increased from 4.2 to 5.5.

Dix wrote a memo well I never did get it. Have him do it again.
Cheers

Not too happy about the NDP taking the reigns again, however, I would like to stop hearing about them being worse than the Liberals.
During their terms
Who had more growth in GDP -NDP
Who had higher immigration -NDP
Who had more surplus budgets-NDP
Who had fudge-it budgets- Both
Who had more “have not” x-fer payments from the Feds- liberals 5, NDP-1

We know about the NDP scandals and screw ups, and the media will expose them. Now if only someone in the main stream media would list the Liberals scandals and screw ups? Not going to happen.

So, hate the NDP. I’m okay with that. But please stop the LIberal cheerleading. They’ve had twelve years at the trough and their fiscal incompetence is obvious, for anyone who wants to look. Generally, the numbers don’t lie. The politicians do.

So do we have to assume that the NDP understand the jobs plan?

Interresting that the NDP actually worry about private sector jobs.

So, if the current jobs plan does not work can we please hear from them
1. why not?
2. how would they have devised a jobs plan?
3. why would their’s have worked?

Nice to speak hypothetically, isn’t it?

The advantage of being in opposition …. it means opposed to everything and responsible for nothing …. ;-)

It took a long time to pull this province out of the gutter from the last time the NDP were in power. It’s downright scary to think they’ll be back.

Very true gus.
As for the gutter, if you look at the numbers, we r just so much deeper we don’t realize we are in it.
Employment numbers may be better, because bc’ers have jobs in Alberta?

Well, the jobs plan must be working, I have not heard of one TV station going out of business. The millions being spent on advertising by the BC government has secured the media sector.

Yup; sure is good to be a friend of the Fiberals! Guaranteed profit!

If it is being left up to the govt to ensure jobs are being created we are in deep trouble.

Looks like govsux gets the big picture. Too bad the rest of the Fiberal trolls do not understand basic math or statistics. I cannot wait til the new gov. opens the books on the P3 projects and the $80 BILLION debt the Fiberals try to hide there. Then the BCR book, then the BC Place book, then the etc. etc. etc.

Gus: “opposed to everything and responsible for nothing”.

Pretty much sums up the O-250 band of regulars!

No surprise here. The BC Liberals have failed at pretty much everything, except funneling more taxpayer money into corporate coffers.

Denaljo wrote: “Looks like govsux gets the big picture. Too bad the rest of the Fiberal trolls do not understand basic math or statistics.”

So let me deal with the easy one Denaljo, net migration.

StatsBC has an excel file for migration starting in 1986 up to 2011.

The figures shown next to the years are interprovincial inmigration, outmigration, and net.

For the Socred years

1986-8754,17644,683 9,493
1987-8864,19442,580 21,614
1988-8971,21241,791 29,421
1989-9082,18342,199 39,984
1990-9173,81339,705 34,108

For the NDP years

1991-9277,69539,691 38,004
1992-9378,76338,664 40,099
1993-9476,54938,678 37,871
1994-9570,78341,492 29,291
1995-9666,95944,934 22,025
1996-9759,43249,552 9,880
1997-9851,52461,553-10,029
1998-9943,30057,784-14,484
1999-0043,46558,075-14,610
2000-0143,33851,624 -8,286

For the BCLiberal years

2001-0247,15955,715 -8,556
2002-0348,07849,115 -1,037
2003-0450,40642,541 7,865
2004-0554,28046,066 8,214
2005-0653,09644,296 8,800
2006-0758,18243,177 15,005
2007-0857,39642,753 14,643
2008-0951,06141,066 9,995
2009-1049,46940,741 8,728
2010-1155,22455,034 190

Always remember that there is at least one transition year at the start of a new government party before interprovincial migration cahnges due to new government policies taking effect.

So, byu the third year that the NDP came into power, the change in policies started to take an effect and the net migration figures during the socred government started to decline with the final 4 years being negative.

With the BCLiberals by the second year (first full year) of being in power the net migration decline almost stopped. By the third year it was in positive territory and seriously eroded when the international recession hit in 2008 and the USA market for virtually everything we sold to them took a nosedive.

So, Denaljo ….. there is a clear lack of the ability to do your own research of the numbers which are redily available. Rather, you are party to someone’s misinformation and you are not doing your due diligence.

I do find it interesting that the anti-NDP crowd can blame the NDP for everything that happened in BC in the 90s, conveniently forgetting the Japanese economy crash and gold at $200/ounce….yet your beloved Liberals get a free pass for the 2008 market crash?

You cant have it both ways Gus. Either a provincial government is confined by the hand it’s dealt globally…or it’s responsible for it. If orange was responsible for all the woes of the 90s…then red is obviously responsible for 2008 forward.

This garbage of going back and forth blaming the NDP, and the Liberals is a waste of time.

We have two basics to look at.

1. The NDP, is not really capable of running a Government. Mainly because they are experience challenged.

2. The Liberals while somewhat better in some area’s are basically incompetent in most areas, and in fact when you throw in the corruption factor, and their constant gouging of the taxpayers you can see that they are in fact a bigger threat to BC than their socialist competitor, the NDP.

Soooooo. Neither one of them deserve the right to run the Province. We need to elect some Independents, some Conservatives, perhaps some Greens, and hopefully form some kind of coalition Government. If we fail to do so then we are in for some very bad times.

The NDP, and the remnants of the Liberal party need to spend sometime in opposition, so that they can contemplate their navels, and not cause us anymore problems.

Palopu: “We need to elect some Independents, some Conservatives, perhaps some Greens, and hopefully form some kind of coalition Government.”

No matter how much you might say it or wish it, it won’t happen. Enjoy your next NDP majority. In BC don’t vote parties in, we vote them out.

BTW, I would love ANY BC political party to come forward to promote the building of communities in the various hinterlands of the province through placing value added manufacturing closer to where the feedstock resources are extracted. Not a single party is interested in that.

When one looks at interprovincial migration tables over the last 25 years as well as foreign immigration numbers there have been stagnation as well as total net losses in all areas other than the Okanagan, the island, the GVRD and the south Coast.

25 years of stagnation!!!!!

No one cares. THAT is the take away story for me.

“I do find it interesting that the anti-NDP crowd can blame the NDP for everything that happened in BC in the 90s, conveniently forgetting the Japanese economy crash and gold at $200/ounce”

Japanese????? WTF??? Our main trading party by far, especially in BC was the USA before the 2008 crash. Clinton was in charge. There was no 9/11 and the closing of the border, and chit for economic growth down there alreasdy at that time.

The Clinton era, which spanned virtually the entire time of the NDP reign, was the growth time in Canada, when Canada was so well off that it was able to make payments on DEBT for something like 6 years if I remember correctly withing having to look it up.

Gold? $200 bucks? Times where great then. Times are not great now. Does that give you even a hint of an idea what low and high gold prices are indicators of?

Where did you learn your economics?

“Times were great then. Times are not great now.”

So you’re admitting that times were great during the NDP reign in BC. Perfect, that’s just what i was getting at. Far better than any economy the Fiberals have given the province.

“So you’re admitting that times were great during the NDP reign in BC”

LOL …. I think ExPat-PGRes might be saying that times in North America, at the least, were great then, in spite of who was in power in the province ….. a child could have done as well …. ;-)

Sorry, was supposed to come out as

“I think, ExPat-PGRes, I might be saying that times in North America, at the least, were great then, in spite of who was in power in the province …..

a child could have done as well …. “

Nice to see how taking a sentence or two out of context, ExPat-PGRes, can be misinterpreted …… an old trick used by ALL political parties and their fanatical hangers on.

BTW, Economics 101 suggests that if it costs more to pull an ounce of gold out the ground than it’s worth, there are going to be a lot of idle shovels. Not a lucrative site for a province that calls mining one of its top economic drivers.

Don’t need to acquire myself a PhD in The Gus School of Google Surfing to figure that out. But thanks for asking about my education.

“Not a lucrative site for a province that calls mining one of its top economic drivers.”

Gross revenues in 2011 were $9.9 billion.

The $2billion increase from 2010 was almost all due to coal price increases and coal shipment increases (25%)

Gold? What is that?

Net mining revenues from gold fell in 2011 from $224 million in 2010 to $154 million while average price of gokd increased by 28% from $1,227 to $1,572/oz.

So, what did you say economics 101 taught you?

Just in case you cannot read that last part above …..

Gold mining revenues fell while price of gold rose …..

So does that tell us that the cost of extracting is rising considerably more rapidly than the price of gold?

Or is our gold resource depleting just as the price of gold is shooting up lkike crazy?

Which is it? Or is it something else? not enough trained people?

Relative gain on investment in other resources is more lucrative?

People are starting to invest elsewhere with the political uncertainty.

Climate change?

The value of the Peso?

The rising waters in Venice?

From the following site:
[url]http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/ceo-survey/2013/industry/metals.jhtml?WT.mc_id=banner_01-13_ceo-survey_gx-metals[url]

“A bleak outlook for 2013

Metals CEOs are much less optimistic than their peers in other sectors. Only 14% are very confident of revenue growth over the next twelve months. Although a third are more optimistic looking out over three years, they’re still lagging far behind the sample as a whole. As a cyclical industry, metals companies get hard hit by economic downturns. That may be why significantly more metals CEOs believe that a break-up of the Eurozone, US recession or slowdown in growth in China will hurt their prospects. And other business threats like exchange rate volatility are worrisome too.”

That is a global perspective of metals …. the BCLiberals and NDP and whoever else do not even show up as a blip ……. they are puppets on a string.

I used to go to libraries to find out such information and buy far too many magazines ….. but I am one who is able to change my methods of research with the times ……

People who are proud to not change to improved systems are generally called ludites …. ;-)

http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/ceo-survey/2013/industry/metals.jhtml?WT.mc_id=banner_01-13_ceo-survey_gx-metals

Lots of job if we grow weed.

Not sure what your mining stats and outlook from 2011 forward have to do with the price of rice in China. The subject was 1999 when it cost around 260/oz to extract an ounce of gold before other expenses and few. mining companies could keep their doors open much less consider expansion. Gordo and Christy apologists like to continue to blame the NDP for those dark days, i.e. “the socialists chased away jobs!!”, yet like to insulate their Liberal friends from blame when the global economic stats suit them.

If neither party, by your own admission, can sway global economic fortunes….then don’t blame the NDP for a few years of declining immigration during a period of global market duress, but give the Libs an excuse for the same declining numbers.

So much ado about nothing. The overall Policy of both the Liberals and the NDP is exactly the same. It can be summed up in two words ~ ‘full employment’.

The elevation of a mere means to an end ~ a Job, into the desired end in itself. When the REAL desired end, actually a vitally necessary one, is an Income. One capable of FULLY liquidating the PAST Costs of Production at the CURRENT Prices of final Consumption ~ Costs of which that Income was only a PART of, and a declining part of at that. So we’re able to ‘financially’ buy what we’re more than able to ‘physically’ make, and fully pay FOR what we’ve made FROM what we’ve made. Not try to do that which is currently ‘financially’ impossible, from what we’re making, or, increasingly now, going to have to make.

The only difference in this Policy between the Liberals and NDP is the method of its implementation. The NDP pushes it forward ahead of them, the Liberals pull it towards them as they walk backwards. Hoping they won’t trip and it’ll roll over the top of them. For they intuit there’s something in it they should be pushing against. But they’re not smart enough to figure out what it is.

Either way we end up with the same thing. Bring back Social Credit that IS for ‘social credit’, and we might start to get somewhere. Otherwise, we’re just chasing our tails.

“The subject was 1999 when it cost around 260/oz to extract an ounce of gold before other expenses and few. mining companies could keep their doors open much less consider expansion.”

And the BCLiberals had what to do with that?

I am not too sure why your fixation on gold. A very small component of our mining industry revolves around gold. 5% at the most from the looks of it. Likely a very energy intensive mining process plus, I understand, the deposits are getting deeper. Thus the very rapid and substantial cost increase today as it looked to be in 1999.

“If neither party, by your own admission, can sway global economic fortunes…..”

Let’s stick to Canada. During the NDP decade every province in Canada showed positive growth, except B.C. Some traditionally have-not provinces pulled themselves up into the black but the orange province B.C. ended up in the red and became a have-not province. All of them traded with the USA and other countries. The Japanese excuse is a worn-out slogan.

B.C. has weathered the last 12 years relatively well, considering 9/11 and the market/mortage meltdown five years ago, the worst snce the Great Depression. Not to mention the tsunami consequences in Japan and the Harper concessions to the US/Canada softwood lumber dispute. As well tens of billions had to be invested to repair and/or construct infrastructure (schools, hospitals, highways, bridges, senior housing etc) which had been largely neglected for a decade by the NDP.

Call me a Fiberal Troll. It doesn’t matter, but some commentors here need a heavy dose of reality therapy.

Are you saying the BC Liberals had to invest in schools because of the failures of the NDP a dozen or so years ago?? So who is at fault for the BC Liberals having to close the schools then??

Who is at fault that they couldn’t find a paltry $85K to keep the little school in Dunster open…a school that every government over a period of 100 years managed to fund? Good or bad economy,they all supported that little school. Whether it had five students or 55…they all could manage to budget to keep that school open…until this cold hearted BC Liberal government came into being.

So let us expand a little…how many schools have been closed and sold off?? When the economy starts to boom again..and people start to move north again…how many billions and billions will have to be spent to replace those lost schools??

A heavy dose of reality for you, it matters far far more what has happened in the last 10 years in this province than what has happened in the 50 years before that. The stripe of the government doesn’t make any difference at the end of the day and it’s time for change, a positive change.

12 years is too damn long for any Party! After awhile you’d think we were communist..;[

“So who is at fault for the BC Liberals having to close the schools then??”

You know who or what is at fault: Changing demographics. The population is aging and enrollments were/are down in the areas where schools couldn’t be kept open for just a dozen or two students. I agree with you on the Dunster school issue. The Liberals have made mistakes, some of them were corrected, other were not. I vote neither Liberal nor NDP because of some ideology. If I don’t find that I am in agreement with any party I stay home on voting day.

Still, the NDP decade was a frustrating one, what with all the controversies, four different premiers and more ‘Gates’ than one can shake a stick at. Why would I give the NDP an opportunity to do a repeat performance? Besides, I can’t stomach Dix and Mo.

I would love ANY BC political party to come forward to promote the building of communities in the various hinterlands of the province through placing value added manufacturing closer to where the feedstock resources are extracted. Not a single party is interested in that.

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Here Gus dreaming again. How can we set up any manufacturing when most everything we consume comes from off shore. Our right wing governments have gotten us into a global economy so all we will ever be is hewers of wood and carriers of water.

Get off the internet Gus and face the real world and stop going us all that worldly knowledge that you glean fron google
Cheers

The NDP are not going to give us their platform so that all these inteligent people can tear it appart. I see where they have alot of good MLA’s in the legislature and thats good enough for me.

The biggest problem is the media. They were like rats after a kill during the last NDP government. There are some so ill informed that they would bring up an email that Dix wrote. Why not tell us what was in that email.
Cheers

So the NDP is the new best friend of the private sector? Give me a break. If they had their way I don’t think they’d be privatizing anything. They want most everything to be public.

“How can we set up any manufacturing when most everything we consume comes from off shore?”

A question like that is best answered by those who have done it.

You can start by looking up the head office phone numbers of these manufacturing companies and giving them a call. ;-)

Angstrom Engineering
Art in Motion
Arva Industries
ATS Automation Tooling Systems

Barrington Griffiths Watch Company
Beaver Machine
Bioscrypt Inc.
Black Diamond Cheese
Blue Mountain Pottery
Bombardier Recreational Products
Bowmanville Foundry
Brac Systems
Buhler Industries

Calian
CAMI Automotive
Camoplast
Canada Car Company
Canadian Car and Foundry
Canadian Industries Limited
Carrier Enterprise Canada
Casavant Frères
CCL Industries
Cinram
Circa Enterprises
Coghlan’s
Corbeil Bus Corporation
Corby Distilleries
Crane Plumbing Corporation
Creation Technologies
Crestline Coach

Dalsa
Dialogic Inc.
Dominion Car and Foundry
Dorel Industries
Dunlop Standard Aerospace Group
Dupont Industries
DynaVenture

Ebco Industries
Eddy Match Company
Electrohome
Element Yachts
Elmira Pet Products
Engineered Lifting Systems & Equipment
Ezee-On

FibreTech Innovations
First American Scientific Corp.

General Motors Diesel Division
Girardin Minibus

Haley Industries
Hawker Siddeley Canada
Hemisphere GPS
Heys International Ltd.
Hitachi Power Systems Canada
Husky Injection Molding Systems

International Group, Inc

John Inglis and Company

Kitchen Craft
Gabriel Kney
Kongsberg Mesotech
Kraus Flooring

Lake of the Woods Milling Company
Lee Valley Tools
Leitch Technology
Lethbridge Iron Works
Linamar
Lumenera

Magna International
Marine Industries
Marmon-Herrington
Martinrea
Mississauga Truck and Bus Collision
Murray-Latta

Norpak
Nortel
Novacam Technologies
Novax
Novelis

Orgues Létourneau
Ottawa Car Company
Overland Custom Coach
Oxford (company)

P&H MinePro
Polson Iron Works Limited
Polymorphe
Premium Brands Holdings Corporation
Preston Car Company
Prevost Car
Project Eden (company)
ProSlide Technology

Quester Tangent Corporation

Railpower Technologies
Redpath Sugar
Resurfice Corporation
Rhodes Curry Company
Rousseau Metal
Royal Group Technologies
RS Technologies

Schleese Saddlery
SED Systems
Smithbilt Hats
Soheil Mosun
Steeplejack Industrial
Stylus Sofas
Sun Gro Horticulture
Sunwell Technologies

TC-Helicon
Triple E Recreational Vehicles

VAE Nortrak North America, Inc.

Waterloo Mfg. Co. Ltd.
Waterous Engine Works Co. Ltd.
Westeel
WhiteWater West
Willis & Co.
Wulftec International

Yorkville Sound

Zarlink
ZTR Control Systems

Jim13135 wrote: “When the economy starts to boom again..and people start to move north again”

You write that with such certainty when the last 20 to 30 years have given those of us in the hinterland a totally different experience.

Here are the stats for the last 20 years in BC and its economic regions.

Shown are net immigration from foreign countries, net migration from Canadian provinces and total gain from people moving to BC and 8 economic regions.

BC966,884|193,608|1,160,492

Mainland / Southwest881,093|104,888|985,98185.0%

Vancouver Island / Coast44,486|68,913|113,3999.8%

Thompson / Okanagan23,625|36,068|59,6935.1%

Kootenay7,090|4,656|11,7461.0%

Nechako1,196|-1,838|-642-0.1%

North Coast2,155|-3,121|-966-0.1%

Northeast2,594|-6,340|-3,746-0.3%

Cariboo4,645|-9,618|-4,973-0.4%

Even the northeast has a net decrease …… amazing, eh??? All those fairy tales we keep getting told to us.

That famous northern region from Alberta to Haida Gwai and Quesnel to the Yukon Border is able to attract foreign immigrants, but has a net reduction based on interprovincial movement.