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Paving the Way to Lower Asphalt Prices

Monday, July 8, 2013 @ 7:15 PM
Prince George, B.C.- When it comes to asphalt pricing, Prince George  is disadvantaged.   The price this city pays for asphalt is well above the price paid for it in the Okanagan or the lower mainland where companies can benefit from economies of scale doing  several projects in several communities because of location.
 
Council has agreed to continue working with the Ministry of Transportation to see if there is anyway this City can piggy back paving projects with Provincial projects in the region,  in an effort to reduce costs, such an agreement could save up to $700 thousand a year.
 
Seems the process followed for the awarding of the paving contract for this year is not sitting well with some Councillors. Council had originally approved a contract with Columbia Bitulithic in early 2012. That contract contained an option to renew the contract in year two at the same price .   Staff moved forward and exercised that option this spring, without advising Council or asking for Council’s permission, believing they didn’t need it, despite the fact the  contract was for well over a million dollars.
 
Councillor Brian Skakun says he didn’t believe Staff had any authority to move forward and exercise the option this year, and Councillor Dave Wilbur supports that   thought. Wilbur says he is not pleased with the answer he has received from staff, that they should have provided the information to Council.

Comments

Soooooo. Is a slap on the wrist in order???

Did we lose money because we renewed the contract, if so then how much???

There has to be a limited number of people that have the authority to extend a contract worth a million bucks. A person it that position should have been familiar with the core review from front cover to back and known full well that asphalt pricing was the biggest single item saving in the whole effin document. This alone should have raised a flag or two and made that person think they should seek further clarification before extending the contract.

If it was done early in the spring one can surmise that it was during Ms. Soltis’ tenure as acting city manager so the buck should stop with her….$192,579.97 in salary involves taking a certain amount of responsibility for not only yourself but also the departments that report to you.

Every penny(and then some) scrounged and pinched during the day just disappeared out the back door….OOPS

And why are we only hearing about this now?

Hey have you not heard the word, staff is above and beyond question and answers and they are to be trusted absolutely, never check up or spot check every now and again to protect both staff and the dollars….I doubt Stolz and green run/ran their businesses with absolute blind trust! It has less to do with trust and more to do with accountability all around. Ask any bank…someone is always checking the Checker and no one is getting hostile and offended as it is just good business that keeps everyone honest.

One more pin in Soltis’ Brian doll!

One more observation…green Stolz better stun Wilbur again, looks as tho he is waking up.

A gouging we will go a gouging we will..massive council incompetence and we get to pay the price..

Now time to revisit the raises they gave themselves

“Council had originally approved a contract with Columbia Bitulithic in early 2012. That contract contained an option to renew the contract in year two at the same price”

Anyone with any experience in having signing authority should understand that a maximum of $1million means just that … a maximum of $1million whether it comes as a result of a bid or an exercisable option from a previous contract does not matter.

There are far too many of these things which shows up that too many people in senior positions do not have the ability to think straight.

Their main objective has been clearly shown on several occasions – do not set a precedent to let Council have input when input is not required because they will end up expecting the same process to be followed all times into the future.

Thus they make these mistakes in proper process.

When this lack of understanding of their authority shows loud and clear, it becomes obvious that they are overpaid!!!!

I have been told that some of the pavement on PG roads fails because it was put down at a temperature that was cooler than it should be. As a result it has tiny cracks which cause it to fail early.

I would like to think the city would be better off having its own paving crew… but then one sees the limited competence of those in the city administration and all one can do is shake their head.

It doesn’t matter anyway. Columbia Bit. will get the contract again. If we want to look at why our prices are higher than other areas, I suggest that there is no real competion as Pittman has shown time and again that they are not very interested in the City contract.
Running the decision of renewal up the flag pole is fine but I think its a no brainer. Extention at the same prices, or put it up again and recieve higher pricing and the same contractor?

Eagleone, the city does have a paving crew, with a paver too. They do smaller patch jobs but it is cheeper and more beneficial to have the contractor do the capital jobs. By The way, remember when the city had its own line painting crew?

Nothing really matters, does it?

Staff runs the organization. I do not understand why we have a Council.

Then again, those who care may just say to themselves, hey this is an indicator how staff works. What part of processes do they not understand and which other processes are they doing that flies in the face of the processes which are in place?

The place is disorganized. People take matters into their own hands because they do not understand process – chain of command, checks and balances … you know, all that weird stuff that makes the system cost 20% more than it would if it were an organization that has enough slush funds to survive small hiccups.

Shambles left by an ineffective city manager in way over his head:(

There is a glimmer of hope that Beth James can right the ship. Looking at her CV this position is just another stepping stone so she will not be afraid to make a few waves and positive changes before she moves onward and upward.

Watched some of the webcast of the all day meeting and she seems to be up to speed and has a fairly good handle on things – even butted in on the mayor a time or two:)

IMO, it would be a great advantage if the city actually could piggy back its projects with the Ministry’s. Not only with the economics of volume, but with the added competition as well. I would like to see an apples to apples comparison of the unit rates for the bypass mill and fill job against the city’s unit rate for its projects of similar scope. Can anyone help out with this? I know some are very good at finding info on the web.

Every time I read news items on 250 I end up so damn frustrated with the crap that goes on at City Hall. Civic elections can’t come soon enough. Now we just have to find a way to get rid of the incompetents that have too much to say about the contracts in this joke of a city.

Every time I read news items on 250 I end up so damn frustrated with the crap that goes on at City Hall. Civic elections can’t come soon enough. Now we just have to find a way to get rid of the incompetents that have too much to say about the contracts in this joke of a city.

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