How many are actually coming back?

There are people in several categories that come back.

1. those who go on vacations to warmer climates or more exciting regions for tourist activities to spend the money earned in PG in places other than PG, BC, and Canada …..

2. those who come to PG to sell their services and take money out of the community as well.

Other than the odd convention and conference attendees and visiting family members, and the exotic traveler who likes the hinterlands, I doubt that there are many who travel here to spend their time and money here.

Those who leave PG and do not come back likely drive their vehicle(s) out of here.

And those that work in the mines including not just the trade person but cleaning, cooking and maintenance etc.

Which makes me think that it would be interesting to find out what the net economic benefit of an airport is to a small community that does not have too many tourist amenities and is lacking some of the services that a community requires.

We should have that sort of information for several other government services.

I see the airport numbers are supporting the Fly-in Fly-out (FIFO) transient work force phenomena, I had originally presented as a future trend about a half year back.

I did not realize it was a two way street, so to speak, as originally I thought it just applied to outside workers flying in to PG, staying the night in one of the many existing and new hotels, and then jumping off to the more than 1,800 live-in camps in northern BC.

Thanks to a woman who posted here a couple of months back, we now know there is a significant number of PG workers who are also transient, traveling by air to Ft McMurray and flying back after 2-3 weeks working in camp jobs. Again I appreciate how hard this kind of transient (FIFO) work is on her and other’s families.

But that is the reality of the current situation, isn’t it? People / workers must accommodate business and industry, the quality of a person’s family / private life must be sacrificed in order to be gainfully employed these days.

In a Mount Milligan discussion, just a couple of weeks ago, I presented some solutions to change this FIFO situation, like electing a government that puts into action “families first” , and not just providing it “lip service”. But workers and their families / private lives must take a back seat, when it is cheaper and more convenient for industry to setup 12 hour shifts, and consecutive 14, and even 21 days, in before these workers are “allowed” to fly back out to spend time with their families and have a private life.

Fascinating stuff!

I like those who are local people that have jobs elsewhere and bring back money to the community.

The reverse flow, however, also happens. I do not know what the net effect is, however.

Huh,How many are actually coming back?
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Every Westjet that flies over our home in Abby I tell my wife,” theres another load leaving PG”.
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426709 passengers means enplaned/deplaned Ie; arriving and departing.

So in essence we had 213354 passengers departing Prince George, for which we collect the $20.00 Airport Improvement Fee. 213354 divided by 365 days per year equals 584 passengers per day, or for a 16 hour day 36 Passengers per hour, or if you divide it by say 10 flights per day, then you would be looking at 58 passenger per flight departing Prince George.

Not really such a big number when you break it down to daily use.

There were 418,589 enplaned, deplaned passengers in 2008. So we are looking at an increase of 8120 passengers per year over 2008, or 4060 outbound passengers, or an increase of 11 outbound passengers per day, or 22 enplaned/deplaned. The increase over the 2008 figures amounts to about 1 passenger per flight ex Prince George.

Can we get KPMG track the number of cargo planes landing here for refueling.

People: “In a Mount Milligan discussion, just a couple of weeks ago, I presented some solutions to change this FIFO situation, like electing a government that puts into action “families first” , and not just providing it “lip service”.

Talk about lip service. The FIFO phenomenon isn’t anything unique or new to BC and people tend to go where the work is. We are a resource extraction economy. What do you propose (other than a change in government) which will solve the issue of workers going to and from Mt. Milligan to work?

Build another resource community where spouses who do not have work watch tv, take drugs, have affairs, etc. ANYTHING to relieve boredom.

We built enough of them over the decades in BC. We should know.

It is not only small communities in the middle of nowhere that kind of a problem. Anyone anywhere in the world who has a specialty trade or profession that is sought after faces the same issues. My ex father-in-law worked all across Canada as a communications engineer some 40 years ago. Gone for a couple of weeks at a time, typically working on DND projects. Those in the merchant marine face the same situation, at sea for 2 to 3 months and then back home for a similar length of time.

People working long shifts away from home is becoming the norm, it seems.

Airport Master Plan 2007-2030

Estimated Number of Aircraft Movements resulting from Transpacific Technical Stops.

Years 1 to 2 2007-2008–Construction.
Year 3 to 5 2009-2011–312
Year 6 to 7 2012-2013–624
Year 8 to 9 2014-2015–936

Global Passenger Forecast.

2009-13,824
2010-17,417
2011-21,943
2012-27,647
2013-29,633
2014-31,762
(2030-77,790)

Passenger Forecast for Intercontinental Tourism Market. Number of landings per year.

Year 1 and 2–(Runway Construction)
From yr 3 32
From yr 6 64
From yr 16 128
From yr 27+ 192.

Have a nice day.

People says,” I see the airport numbers are supporting the Fly-in Fly-out (FIFO) transient work force phenomena, I had originally presented as a future trend about a half year back.”. What so you think fifo is something new, wow.

Australian industry, particularly mining, has been using FIFO labour more frequent and on a much larger scale. This is having devastating effects on these worker’s families.

It seems that after spending up to 3 weeks in-camp, making all that money, many workers are taking their time -off in Bali where the lifestyle, taxes, and cost of living is less expensive. A growing number of these workers are choosing this lifestyle, rather than returning to their families during their time-off.

http://www.australiaforum.com/information/jobs/academics-to-look-at-the-fly-in-fly-out-phenomenon-in-australias-resources-sector.html

I would define this as being hard on the worker’s families, particularly the kids / children. FIFO jobs, and it’s associated lifestyle, is devastating a lot of families in Australia.

In the end humans are animals, if the male (predominantly) that make up a majority of the FIFO workforce, spend most of his time away for his family, the family becomes less and less important, (out of sight- out of mind). Less time with the family means less bonding time… less bonding time generally means less attachment to their families.

So reading the attached link… where does that leave the whole concept about “families first”?

Give it a break People#1 …. this happens in every city in the world ….. they do not just fly to camp, they fly to habours where they catch ships at sea … they fly to different work places that are not just camps …. they have been doing this as the capacity to travel has expended since they invented horse drawn carriages, steam ships, trains, planes that fly passengers …. and pretty soon space ships …..

I know, it is hard for some local yokels to understand that.

Fly sometime and start up a discussion with the person sitting next to you and you will be amazed where people work and how people work that are not tied to a front end loader clearing snow in the city.

Go see the movie Captain Philips … starts off with a fellow living in Boston flying to a ship docked somewhere else in the world and goes on board to command it as it brings cargo from one place to another in the middle east.

Tell you what, do an inventory of how the world works, then plug PG in and see how we are doing.

Family first or not, it is better than creating communities such as Tumbler Ridge or Barkerville …. which, by the way, was a horse ride in and out …. HRIO ….

Actually it’s HIHO. That is where the lone ranger got that from. HIHO silver mine and back…..

So people#1 seems to have an issue with males.

When I flew to Australia in October my seatmate was a fellow from Abbotsford who works in the oil and gas industry in Auzzi and commutes six times a year. Now that’s fifo.

Lots of people fly to Cuba and work and fly back.

Also a lot of Airline Pilots around the world fly to various points like Anchorage, etc, take the flight to China, fly Back to Anchorage, then fly home to Virgina, or what ever.

Maybe you don’t quite understand families first. Someone driving or flying to Fort mac or Mt Milligan for 7 on and 7 off is probably doing it because they are putting their families first, or single

I know a guy and his wife who are working the 7 on 7 off shift in Fort Mac and making double the income than their good ole jobs in PG.