I would wager that this will turn out to be just a bunch of wind

I beg to differ, I think they will go because I am pretty sure there is First Nation Support. I think the squawking about why it should not go ahead will be from the Environment, because of the flight path of Migatory birds.

70 wind turbines made in Denmark? Or somewhere other than Canada.

We are missing out once more to participate in manufacturing modern products. The canuck buck is close to US$0.90. Time to get off our asses.

Maybe the BC Conservative leadership hopeful has a way of starting a plant in Vanderhoof if he wants the Innergexes of the world to put investments into the hinterlands.

There is no need for this type of project anywhere in the Province, let alone in the Vanderhoof area.

Wind turbines are ugly and are a blight of the land,.

If they think they need more power in the area, then build a natural gas electrical generating plant, that at least will provide jobs for a long period of time. Cut a deal with the Province for cheap gas, and pipe it in from Northern BC.

The only people who benefit from these ugly wind turbines are the companies that build them, and sell them to the gullible.

Further to Palopu’s comment: the benefits from wind projects are accrued by the investors who gain massive grants from governments who still believe that global warming can be stopped by creating power from wind. As well, the cost of producing power in this way is approximately 10x the cost of hydro. IMO the decision to create any wind project to produce power should be based totally on the economic viability of it.

A large wind farm being erected in the middle a flyway/resting area for Canada Geese?

The problem with natural gas is that much of it around here is likely to be obtained by fracking.

I just wonder why they can’t put a guard in front of those blades to prevent birds from flying into them? Or build a closed circle with fins?

Strange how the spectacular natural gas pipeline explosion in southern Manitoba went under the radar!

I doubt that migrating Canada geese fly so low as to be hit by blades from wind turbines.

If the First Nations approve of them it is because they put Mother Nature first – they must have checked the whole thing out before giving approval.

I have never heard of any claims by any government that global warming can be stopped by creating power from wind.

Sounds like a lot of hot air!

Well, those involved in power generation can and will confirm that generating electricity by wind power and by solar panels – for broad use – is the most expensive method of ‘making’ electricity. Combine that with the technology to switch to conventional generation WHEN there is no wind or sun and then we have a problem.
Yes, I absolutely agree that this is a giant step to fleece the government (and, of course the taxpayers) of funds that can otherwise be used for useful purposes. This is not a useful purpose!
Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!

Maybe if the plan goes ahead and maybe if city council can get a deal on one them wind turbines it sure would be swell to have one on Cranbrook Hill. I’m sure those folks wouldn’t mind. Justify it by saying it might help a global warming believing doctor to re-locate here. Could happen.

I hope no one lives close by to where this wind farm is supposed to be. I saw a documentary about wind turbines in Alberta, and how they were making people, who are susceptible to low level sound waves, sick on a daily basis.

On the upside one doesn’t have to have a hunting licence or nasty guns or a dog to fetch geese. Instead, just pick up dead geese below these wind turbines. Justify it by calling it no effort hunting. Great sport, eh?

The windfarm in dawson creeks gets paid 30 cents per kwh by bc hydro and then bc hydro sells it for less than 10 cents. No wonder hydros rates are going up. Also bats are killed by the windmills I am told.

Interesting how the natives would sign off on something so environmentally unsound. Oh how come there is heavy fines when birds die in some settling pond but a wind farm can get a permit to kill birds and bats and all the enviros are quiet?

Here is a basic over view of wind power generating or the airy fairy name like Bear Mountain wind Park. Heh dad lets go to the park. Interesting that I cannot seem to find any generating records or bird information for that area. Might be there but I cannot seem to find it.

“Wind power is not free. All natural energy resources such as coal, wind and sun appear “free” – no one has to incur costs to create them. But turning a “free” resource into usable electricity costs money for collecting, generating and distributing that energy. To consumers and tax payers, the real cost of wind power is very high, no matter how well it is hidden by politicians.

Wind power is not reliable. No one can make the wind blow when the energy is needed – in fact, wind farms produce, on average, less than 30% of their nameplate capacity, often at times of lower demand.

Wind power harms the environment. Because of the large area of land needed to collect low-density wind energy, wind power requires more land-clearing, needs more transmission lines, kills more wildlife, lights more bushfires and uglifies more landscape per unit of electricity than conventional power. And the subsonic whine of the turbines drives neighbours batty and devalues local properties.

Like hydro-power, wind power is limited, with few suitable sites. And every wind turbine slows the wind, thus reducing the wind energy available to any downwind turbines. It is “renewable’ but it is not unlimited.

Wind power is justified by claims that it reduces emissions and thus reduces global warming. However, when all the steel, concrete, construction, maintenance, replacement and rehabilitation are taken into account, wind power contributes nothing to reducing emissions or changing global climate.

However wind turbines DO change the local weather. Wind is the major component of weather. Winds bring moisture to the inland, clear pollution from the cities, and change air temperatures everywhere. Wind towers rob the wind of its energy, affecting local wind speeds and changing local weather patterns.

Wind power is an expensive, intermittent and limited energy source that degrades the environment, kills birds, affects the local weather but does nothing to improve global climate.

It should be paid for by those who want it, not by captive taxpayers or electricity consumers.”

In our case we need site c for backup.

Windfarm turbines deadly for birds, bats

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/windfarm-turbines-deadly-for-birds-bats/article4392511/

Terrible idea! These things cost more to build, install and maintain than the energy they produce. Just a ruse to get carbon credits and the bulk of the profit comes from the creation of these projects. There are a couple of excellent documentaries on the health effects these abominations have on communities and also the farce of reaping “clean energy” from these monstrosities.

I urge the people of Vanderhoof to be proactive in preventing this thing seeing the light of day. Perhaps they should show one of the documentaries at a town hall meeting, before they get unduly inundated with all the sunshine and lollipops, that will be coming their way. A very good place to start would be by viewing the documentary Wind Rush which can apparently be viewed online.

“Well those involved in power generation can and will confirm that generating electricity by wind power and by solar panels – for broad use – is the most expensive method of ‘making’ electricity.”

To which I add the following:

“Well those involved in oil recovery can and will confirm that recovering oil from bituminous sand – for broad use – is the most expensive method of ‘making’ oil.”

The thing which promotes both of them is the actual or projected rise of the cost of electricity and oil which will allow the cost of the process to be recovered.

Whether they will, or whether the rise will be sustained is where the risk lies.

The question is, who takes the risk. I think that would be the investors plus those who provide taxpayer dollars as incentives for the companies to mitigate the risk.

What risk, the investors get the subsidies and then can walk The natives get their money. Also hydro is forced to buy this very inefficient expensive power at a cost much higher than hydro generated power and the consumer gets it in the end.

It is interesting that Bear project is already replacing its blades supposedly saying for more efficient ones. What after only three years, something not quite right there. Also they do not seem to make available their generation output. What’s to hide? How about bird kill? What wildlife disruption I am sure moose do not stand under those 200 mph blade tips grazing.

I am just tired of the enviros giving these things a free ride. Wind is not free by any means of the imagination.

The windfarm in dawson creeks gets paid 30 cents per kwh by bc hydro and then bc hydro sells it for less than 10 cents. No wonder hydros rates are going up. Also bats are killed by the windmills I am told.

seamut(t): “Wind power is not reliable.”

Tell that to the settlers on the prairies as well as those in other parts of the world who use(d) them to pump water into irrigation canals to allow them to grow food crops.

I know, they were all stupid, unlike seamut(t).

http://obscurity.typepad.com/.a/6a01156e735f12970c014e5f7364d1970c-800wi

Gus. You know bloody well that there is a significant difference between home made windmills, and those that are being used to generate electricity. Seems the biggest problem with wind turbines is getting the electricity onto the grid in a controlled manner.

Wind turbines are for all intents and purposes (especially in BC) a total waste of time, and effort, and only BC Hydro, hitchhiking of the back of BC Tax Payers could afford to buy the electricity.

There is a big con game taking place in BC when it comes to power, and BC Hydro, and PowerEx are in the thick of it, along with our wonderful Government,.

Gus what’s your problem? Really what’s your problem?

That settler thing is a joke I hope?

Everyone seems obsessed with the current cost of clean green wing energy, current cost are nothing compared to waiting and doing nothing about climate change!

“◾For example, as highlighted by William Nordhaus (an economist generally considered a moderate voice on climate) in his book The Climate Casino, Yale economic models show a clear monetary benefit to mitigation. He writes, “Our estimate is that, taking all countries together, the net benefits in the post-2050 period are $7.4 trillion as compared with the pre-2050 net costs of $1.6 trillion.” In other words, the investment pre-2050 reaps a 462% return post-2050. Other analyses have yielded similar results.

To get this profitable “deal,” the investment must be made now. We won’t have the same options available in the future.
◾Mitigating the problem of climate change is not an either/or proposition when facing its impacts. We are currently paying the price for inaction on climate during the previous decades. We no longer have the option of averting the warming incurred during this time, which is why even (most) best-case scenarios involve warming of 2 degrees. Likewise, our projected mitigation costs are higher than they would be if we had started decades ago.
◾Some people claim that in order for mitigation to be economically worthwhile, it must be profitable from day one. But the climate just doesn’t work that way. Mitigation will always yield a delayed benefit. All we will gain by waiting is a much larger problem to deal with, and the need to take more severe and costly measures to solve it.”

http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/2014/01/22/reducing-ghg-pollution-the-cheapest-path/

Wind is green energy and so my friend is water. But water can be stored while wind cant.

2 degrees oh my sounds like a disaster. Actually the IPCC used to say 5 degrees now down to less than 2 degrees. You do realize these are all based on computer models don’t you? Not real world empirical data. You do realize the world has been warmer than now in the early Holocene. Didn’t burn up then the last ice event ended. You do realize the earth has been warming since the end of the LIA and is still below that temperature. You do realize that bird mincers have to be backed up with conventional energy which for most of the world is thermal.

Did you know C02 only makes up .004% of the atmosphere and only 3% of that is man caused. Have a good look at those figures and think about it for a bit. Why are you ignoring the natural C02, not convenient?

There is so little effect of C02 over 100 PPM it can almost be ignored. We are at 400 PPM total, C02 is saturated.

It has been asked many times for empirical ( measurement based) proof that CO2 warming is
Significant,
Manmade,
and
Harmful
No one has met that challenge, and I doubt you will either.

We’ll, the meeting was very informative last night. Didn’t see anyone from Prince George there. Looks like a good project.