Dear Brenda,

How much of a dose are we getting if we drink 8, 9 , 10 plus glasses of water a day. How much is absorbed through my skin when I bath or shower? That dose also includes water used for cooking!
So how much am I getting Brenda?
Why does my dentist agree that fluoride in my body is not good for me as fluoride is a hardening agent? If this practice is so good why is it not practiced in many places in Canada and around the world?

Don’t you think that mass medication is unethical Brenda?

It is not part of the mandate of a municipal government to decide what to put into our water other than what is required to make it potable water.

If they want to get in the medical profession why stop at floride. Folic acid is good for fetal development better get some of that in the water and everyone knows that low dose aspirin is good for heart health …shovel a truckload of asa into the well.

Many of the people in the city are not using sunblock which could lead to an increase of skin cancer. Should we make the water coming out of the shower head have an spf 90?

I do not want the lawsuit to succeed as it would cost tax dollars to settle but hope the proper decision is made at the ballot box.

97% of all British Columbia residents either never had artificial tap water fluoridation or have voted to discontinue it! The stuff that is being added to our drinking water is a scrubber waste by-product from the phosphate fertilizer industry and is not the same as naturally occurring calcium fluoride. The Canadian Dental Association states on its website that fluoride can cause dental fluorosis damage to teeth, as proven by scientific studies. (See Q&A items #9 and #10).

It should be the individual choice of every person to decide whether to consume it in tap water or not or to simply buy fluoridated tooth paste or not.

People who have compromised thyroid and kidney function should not consume unregulated amounts of fluoride of any kind.

Prince George needs to join the rest of the province (97%) and vote it out as soon as possible.

Will it reduce my utility bills if voted out?

This fluoride issue has been around for years, the only thing that is consistant throughout the debate is that there is not any data that would indicate the number of people (if any) who have been harmed by fluoride.

Many thousands of people have been drinking this water since fluoride was introduced and don’t seem to have any side effects.

Soooo. As the old lady in the hamburger joint yelled. ***WHERES THE BEEF***

There are a lot of people on their own wells around Prince George how are their teeth vs bowel teeth?

Dental fluorosis isn’t harm Palopu?

It’s mass medication plain and simple and many don’t agree with it!

What is next, the City of PG responsible for vaccinating your kids?

Brenda all the letters behind your name does not make people fall for your bias opinion. I am against mass medication without consent. and frankly if my dentist is for this or believes fluoride in drinkingcooking water is good for everyone I will find another dentist. Thanks

It seems very irresponsible of our Health Autjority to support medicating a population so recklessly. Each individual drinks such varying amounts of water, it is impossible to tell how much flouride a person is actually injesting. Also, flouride was meant as a topical solution to combat tooth decay, it was not meant to be injested. Healthy kidneys can only flush 50-60% of injested flouride. What becomes of the rest? It builds up in your body over time.

“It’s mass medication plain and simple and many don’t agree with it!

What is next, the City of PG responsible for vaccinating your kids?”

Hell yes, let’s start vaccinating our kids! Much cheaper to have mass inoculation than pay the medical freight for caring for the sick. Any of you paying attention to the situation in the Fraser Valley? There is a serious outbreak of measles in the “bible belt” of the lower mainland. Coincidence? Not likely; cases of measles closely follows the prevalence of fundamentalism in this outbreak. In other words, the belief system of these folks (pro-Christian, anti-science) is responsible for the reduction in vaccinations, which is the principle factor contributing to the size of the outbreak.
The same superstitious nonsense is at play concerning fluoridation: fearful people who are ignorant of science with no understanding of the principles at play. These are the same sort of folks who burned witches in Salem and books in Berlin.

Brenda – contrary to your first paragraph as fluoridation being the most studied and PROVEN to be safe:

“There has never been a single randomized controlled trial to demonstrate fluoridation’s effectiveness or safety. Despite the fact that fluoride has been added to community water supplies for over 60 years, “there have been no randomized trials of water fluoridation” (Cheng 2007). Randomized trials are the standard method for determining the safety and effectiveness of any purportedly beneficial medical treatment. In 2000, the British Government’s “York Review” could not give a single fluoridation trial a Grade A classification – despite 50 years of research (McDonagh 2000). The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) continues to classify fluoride as an “unapproved new drug.”

Considering that we have thousands of people who have been drinking fluoridated water in Prince George for the past 60 years you would think that they could test a number of these people (most of who are still alive) and see once and for all what effect if any fluoride water had on their health.

This is a simple solution, so we should avoid it like the plague. Heaven forbid we should find that there are no ill effects.

Prince George would be the perfect area to do this testing.

Let’s add ritalin to the soup, all kids have adhd don’t they? No? Well let’s add it anyway it will calm everyone down!

Palopu, not debating the fact that fluoride on your teeth prevents tooth decay but I do have a problem with mass medication!

Why would ANYONE argue FOR the fluoridation of our water. Are their teeth so much more important than the concerns over peoples health by ingesting this crap? If it doesn’t harm you, so be it, still doesn’t need to be in our water. Get your fluoride from brushing your teeth or your dentist and leave the rest of us with safe drinking water. Another stupid thing is how the city has the same water for everything, the same water that comes out of your tap is the same water that irrigates everything in town. What a colossal waste to have the same pumps and water source for both.

Dear Brenda, usurper of choice, slurper of toxic waste. If you LOOVE fluoride SOO much, please DO GUZZLE that lovin cup, instead of just soaking your teeeth, next dentist visit, SWALLOW, deaR GIRL. Because THAT is YOUR logic and reasoning. See, if you DO EAT IT, at least YOU have a CHOICE! You have NO RIGHT to deny others the same.

The ClearTech MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) found on the City’s website identifies the chemical fluoride purchased by the City as a chemical used for Water Fluoridation and Wood Preservation! Who wants that in their tap water?

It is also polluted with mercury, arsenic and other poisonous substances as it is only of industrial and not pharmaceutical grade.

No toxicity test has ever been done by the FDA certifying it as a safe medication for human use. It is used for hardening ceramics, for an ingredient in pesticides and rat poison and many other industrial uses.

One Canadian city after the other is discontinuing its use (Williams Lake, Kitimat, Calgary….plus about 40 others) as have all CFBs (Canadian Forces Bases) who refused to accept fluoridated water starting in 2008.

The obvious question is: Why, if it is so utterly beneficial and totally harmless!

No testing required Palopu, if there were tangible benefits to adding this to the water there would be clear and irrefutable evidence that the dental health of PG residents is significantly better than a similar community who does does not add floride. After 60 years it should be very obvious.Have not seen anything like that,have you?

So instead of posting what is essentially industry boilerplate maybe Brenda could provide real world facts and figures to support her case.

Till then…. I like what comes out of my tap to contain one H, 2 O’s and maybe a little CL to kill the bugs.

Harm….I have compromised thyroid function, symptoms arose same time fluoridation was restored, the system had been “in need of repair” thanks to mayor Kinsley for that. absolutely NO FAMILY HISTORY of thyroid problems. coincidence? I do NOT think so. PG reportedly has a high rate of thyroid dysfunction. requiring supplements for LIFE. coincidence? fluoride has been used medicinally to repress overactive thyroid function. This is one of the basic effects fluoride has on people. It suppresses thyroid function. Thyroid controls metabolism. heart rate. energy levels. etc. That is called HARM. got that, pooppooloopy?

->blarg

HERE IS A FUN FACT kiddies! there has been a long-established recognized link between Fluoride and-you guessed it- C A N C E R – thats right. search it online yourself. if you can handle the TRUTH. have YOU ever said, “Boy, there sure is a LOT of CANCER around anymore!! I bet it has SOMETHING to DO with the ADDITIVES in our food!” well, bunny, what about the WATER? Cancer is HARM. jeeez louise. did he hafta drop the ” C ” bomb? yes. YES. I FREAKEN DID.

blarg those pirates down under are working on providing 100% coverage of fluoridated water in municipal supplies and are in the high 90s to 100% in some areas already. Do you drink bottled water, these contain high levels of fluoride and are not required to be labelled. Check out lab tests by health Canada – they found most contained the stuff in large quantities

blarg, blarg, BLARG

GLLARB. Are there any people in Canada who live in an area that does not have fluoridated water, that have compromised thyroid function???

I suspect that you didn’t check that out did you. Hmmmm Wonder why. Could it be because if you found them, then your theory would be blown to hell???

Have a nice day.

Anyone who wants a good read should go to the library and borrow the book “the fluoride deception” by Christopher Bryson. This book will change how you view the fluoride issue.

I knew this article would bring the zealots out of the wood-work frothing at the mouth. This lady is correct and does not, unlike the anti-fluoride gang, promote outlandish claims or use “well respected” lies.
Fluoride works and is cost effective.
Milk has vitamins added, salt has iodine. All these additives are taken in vast amounts are poisonous. The more vulnerable will suffer if we vote to save a couple of cents. If you repeat a lie enough times people will believe it to be true…..who said that?

dear pooppooloopy. Unlike yourself, I didnt even try to get your post name close. lemme clarify your point. people who
pass gas here and in other regions do so in spite of water fluoridation, so lets eat beans for every meal. That about covers it? (hah!) See, theres this THING called “the SUCK UP GENE” not everyone has it, some people ACTUALLY have a “question EVERYTHING GENE” and abhor sucking up to the status quo. Put a couple letters behind my name, and, VIOLA! you’ll be running defense for some real wacky ideas. Health experts recommended SMOKING to releive stress, and assist relaxation. They promoted THALIDAMIDE for expectant moms to releive morning sickness. When baby popped out sans appendages, or with “flippers” did those quacks get fired? nope. they slinked off quietly, as did their breathless defenders (see SUCK-UPS) the moral to this story is, DOCTORS ARENT ALLWAYS RIGHT, or HONEST. but, hey, KRUSTY NAILED IT! I have been trolling around for centuries, burning books and witches and MOSTLY having a VERY NICE DAY. Thank you VERY MUCH, POOPPOOLOOPY! love ya buddy! You to KRUSTY. play nice. Cander CAN be BEATEN! just like us bokk/witch burners WIFE! -all this talk about battered women. I like mine raw.

choice, dear reader. if, IF fluoridation is SOOO safe, WHY does the CITY of PG Mayor and staff have legal protection from any court action arising from fluoride harm? WHY have 97% of towns/cities/municipatities ceased to fluoridate? Why is any dissenting voice to this practice SOUNDLY REJECTED? why is FREEDOM of CHOICE such a terrifying thing in a supposed DEMOCRACY?
I didnt even KNOW what DENTAL FLUOROSIS was, till my family doctor TOLD me that is what the marks were on my son’s teeth.
This GARBAGE the city puts in our water supply is NOT clinical-grade like the dentist uses. but, hey. it matters NOT to the committed suck-up. not a whit. “frothing at the mouth” indeed. it’s all TEXT. Harmless words on a blog. good thing. I sure wouldnt wanna get frothy slobber on my typing finger. gross. Take a chill pill, O contented FORCED MASS medicated one. continue to question NOTHING. there there. muffin. dont be afraid.

Garbl. Seems you have made up your mind, so be sure to vote in the referendum, and of course others will vote to keep the fluoride.

What are you going to do if you lose the referendum???? I win either way because I have been drinking this water all my life and will continue to do so with or without fluoride,.

As far as I’m concerned its a non issue, and doesn’t deserve a lot of time and discussion.

http://healthydebates.com/15-facts-people-dont-know-fluoride/

10. Fluoride Is NOT APPROVED By The FDA
As the FDA has long recognized, fluoride is not necessary to human health or development. When used to prevent disease, therefore, the FDA considers fluoride to be a drug.

FDA has never approved a fluoride supplement as safe and effective.
FDA has rejected two fluoride supplements (Enziflur & prenatal fluoride)
FDA gave false information to Congress in 2000 by stating FDA “never rejected” a fluoride supplement.

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I think Brenda has an obvious bias in her point of view. She backs it all up with hypothetical scenarios, but doesn’t cite a single controlled study, nor does she give any credence to legitimate well documented concerns with the side effects of this mass medication. From her perspective there is absolutely no side effects… or if there are the collateral damage is acceptable in her assessment. To me its a sign of a reckless abuse of her position of authority.

Heck Brenda will not even admit that fluoride is a medication… and the concerns that come with a blanket mass medication program.

Brenda assumes only potential health benefits… but ignores the link of fluoride to the leading cause of death in Canada.

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Association of vascular fluoride uptake with vascular calcification and coronary artery disease

http://journals.lww.com/nuclearmedicinecomm/Abstract/2012/01000/Association_of_vascular_fluoride_uptake_with.3.aspx

Nuclear Medicine Communications:
January 2012 – Volume 33 – Issue 1 – p 14–20
doi: 10.1097/MNM.0b013e32834c187e

Objective: The feasibility of a fluoride positron emission tomography/computed tomography (PET/CT) scan for imaging atherosclerosis has not been well documented. The purpose of this study was to assess fluoride uptake of vascular calcification in various major arteries, including coronary arteries.

Methods: We retrospectively reviewed the imaging data and cardiovascular history of 61 patients who received whole-body sodium [18F]fluoride PET/CT studies at our institution from 2009 to 2010. Fluoride uptake and calcification in major arteries, including coronary arteries, were analyzed by both visual assessment and standardized uptake value measurement.

Results: Fluoride uptake in vascular walls was demonstrated in 361 sites of 54 (96%) patients, whereas calcification was observed in 317 sites of 49 (88%) patients. Significant correlation between fluoride uptake and calcification was observed in most of the arterial walls, except in those of the abdominal aorta. Fluoride uptake in coronary arteries was demonstrated in 28 (46%) patients and coronary calcifications were observed in 34 (56%) patients. There was significant correlation between history of cardiovascular events and presence of fluoride uptake in coronary arteries. The coronary fluoride uptake value in patients with cardiovascular events was significantly higher than in patients without cardiovascular events.

Conclusion: sodium [18F]fluoride PET/CT might be useful in the evaluation of the atherosclerotic process in major arteries, including coronary arteries. An increased fluoride uptake in coronary arteries may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk.

So if it calcifies your arteries, penal gland, and thyroid… then one would think this would be something to consider when comparing it to some hypothetical aged person that is incapable of brushing their teeth because they are ‘living below the poverty line, and have changes in fine motor skills’.

Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to have someone come by once a day and brush the teeth for these hypothetical victims of no fluoride in the water, rather than put all the rest of the population at risk from the leading cause of death.

Blagr Largb arghlb barf. (blarg)
Dear eagle one. Kudos to you. Can i have your babies?
UNFLUORIDATED BABIES of course.
Just kidding. Im Married. yes. dear palopu. my mind IS made up. Its a desire to further my own selfish agenda. I REALLY want to see if my thyroid will return to normal function, once Fluoridation ceases. Also, my abdominal bloating and unpredictable explosive bouts of diahrea. Boy, will that be nice when that stops! Soon I will be able to afford a REVERSE OSMOSIS filter. problem is, that removes all the beneficial minerals in Prince George’s otherwise clean healthy water, as well as the poisonous, toxic waste fluoride. heres the rub. the number of citizens who are susceptable to and sensitive to adverse health issues caused by fluoridation are not reported. Their symptoms are treated, but the root CAUSE is never questioned. Thats modern medicine, and thats why anyone should seek a second opinion, including QUESTIONING the status quo. bye, poopy. and Pizzaman, and Krusty. see you at the referendumb vote.

If I will be permitted to do so, I would like to add a bit more to my earlier comments as the discussion has become quite emotional. That was predictable as more and more people are becoming more informed about water fluoridation and how they are being forced to take something into their bodies, that being a substance that they are becoming more and more concerned about!

That sentiment will increase as time goes by and more information becomes available from scientific studies conducted by reputable scientists at highly respected institutions such as Harvard, etc.

The issue will not go away, even if there is a referendum!

Canada is only 37% fluoridated, B.C. is getting close to the 100% free level. I am astounded by the insistence of Health Authorities to buck the national and global trend which is one that eliminates it from tap water and allows consumers to have a choice. I really resent having my personal rights so blatantly ignored, including my right to refuse any medication or medical treatment which I have not given explicit consent to!

Nevertheless, I am very hopeful that they will change their tactic in the interest of not losing even more credibility with those who still give generously to local health initiatives such as the Spirit of the North foundation, the Cancer Society, the SPCA (animals are harmed by fluoridation as well) and so forth!

Back off! Reconsider! Give ethics, morals and freedom of choice a chance, please!

Make no mistake, the anti-fluoride movement is very effective in spreading huge amounts of fear and mis-information to overrun anyone from the 97% of the scientific community in favour of fluoridation (I picked 97% because it’s a favorite number of the resident alarmists on this site).

Effective levels of fluoridation carries far more benefits than risks. We have 50 years to show for it. The anti-fluoridites have no data and no sick people, and lots of stories.

Don’t take my word for it. Take the word of the scientific community. Don’t be fooled for fear mongers and alarmists.

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Health Canada statement on fluoride in drinking water (June 23, 2011):

“Health Canada continues to strongly support water fluoridation as a safe, effective and cost effective public health measure to help prevent dental cavities.”
“The safety and efficacy of water fluoridation has been frequently studied and continues to be supported by current science, and the beneficial effects of fluoride in the prevention of dental cavities have been well documented in scientific literature. “
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/ftr-ati/_2011/2011_82-eng.php

From the US Dept. of Health:
“One of water fluoridation’s biggest advantages is that it benefits all residents of a community—at home, work, school, or play,” said HHS Assistant Secretary for Health Howard K. Koh, MD, MPH. “Today’s announcement is part of our ongoing support of appropriate fluoridation for community water systems, and its effectiveness in preventing tooth decay throughout one’s lifetime.”
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2011pres/01/20110107a.html

From the CDC:
“For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century. “
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation

From the World Health Organization:
“Water fluoridation in low fluoride-containing water supplies helps to maintain optimal dental tissue development and dental enamel resistance against caries attack during the entire life span. Fluoride in drinking water acts mainly through its retention in dental plaque and saliva. Frequent consumption of drinking water and products made with fluoridated water maintain intra-oral fluoride levels. People of all ages, including the elderly, benefit from community water fluoridation.”
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/oralhealth/en/index2.html

From the Water Fluoridation Controversy Wikipedia page:
“The weight of the scientific evidence have found that at the dosage recommended for water fluoridation, the only clear adverse effect is dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of children’s teeth during tooth development. This effect is mildly cosmetic and is unlikely to represent any real effect on public health.[8] Despite opponents’ concerns, water fluoridation has been effective at reducing cavities in both children and adults.”
“Opposition to fluoridation has existed since its initiation in the 1940s.[1] During the 1950s and 1960s, some opponents of water fluoridation suggested that fluoridation was a communist plot to undermine public health.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy

Another good page which debunks a lot of the claims made.
“You’ll also hear the claim that fluoridation has been banned in Europe. This is also completely untrue. In Europe it’s more common to fluoridate salt instead of water, thus bringing the same benefits via a different delivery method.” …
… “Let’s turn our eye onto one such community, Arcata, an idyllic coastal hamlet in northern California, that recently won this battle after a divisive and painful fight in the newspapers and in city hall. A principal champion of the science behind fluoridation is Kevin Hoover, editor of the Arcata Eye newspaper. In answering the flood of anti-fluoridation scare tactics, Hoover said:
There are no known victims. If there was a problem with municipal fluoridation, wouldn’t we have at least a few people who showed some signs of harm after 44 years? All the anti-fluoride people could say was that the victims are “undiagnosed,” but not why. They produced no victims, just lots of dubious statistics and horror stories with no provenance.”
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4058

Canadian Cancer Society:
On the basis of current evidence, it appears unlikely that water fluoridation increases the risk of cancer, including osteosarcoma, in humans. At the same time, we know that there are many benefits to water fluoridation, especially for people who have less access to dental care.

http://www.cancer.ca/Canada-wide/About%20cancer/Cancer%20myths/Fluoride%20in%20water.aspx?sc_lang=EN

I wonder what the effects of alcohol have on the human system. We know that feeding alcohol to animals can kill them. Are we to believe that it is not detrimental to the health of humans???

Down with the demon rum.

Soda pop, sugars, fructose, are probably the worst things that people can ingest, and are certainly not healthy and can do damage to humans.

Down with sweets.

etc; etc; etc;

That’s the thing that gets me about many of the anti-fluoride people on this site… the outright peddling of fear, mis-information, and lies to push their misguided agendas.

Blarg is a particularly bad offender in this thread. And the sad thing is, people like blarg somehow get their dishonest messages across, preying on people’s general distrust.

I have asked PG to post his/her *unbiased* scientific studies which show *effective* fluoridation is a health hazard and he/she hasn’t. I wonder why? I have posted links from Health Canada, the Centers for Disease Control, the World Health Organization, Northern Health, and the Canadian Cancer Society just to name a few.

The anti-fluoride people want to believe there’s a boogeyman. There is no boogeyman. They’ve effectively sold their fear and BS to much of BC. Hopefully, PG doesn’t follow suit, just because ‘everyone else has’.

You thought I was GONE! the PRINCE GEORGE poster completely avoids concepts like CHOICE and a RIGHT TO CHOOSE, and precisely as with Thalidamide and smoking, the highly verbouse academics who CHAMPION such OUTRIGHT garbage, cant pull enough PHD credentials to bolster their argument, because THEY NEVER, EVER, EVER ADMIT that they are WRONG. That simple unavoidable truth undermines their credentials and credibility. hey POINDEXTER! anyone can suppress facts, tell outright lies, and even use deceptive studies that have been funded/backed by pro-fluoride “experts” but the FACT IS that there are now NO WAY TO SUPPRESS the PEER REVEIWED studies that are NOT funded by manipulative agencies that have EVERYTHING to gain by CONTINUING the DECEPTION. The INTERNET is a FANTASTIC resource, and It IS WISE TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, and FOLLOW THE MONEY. If FLUORIDATION is SO SAFE, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN DENTAL FLUOROSIS? THIS UNSIGHTLY CONDITION IS CAUSED BY FLUORIDE ATTACKING/DESTROYING THE VERY ENAMEL THAT the PHD’s want you to beleive is PROTECTING YOUR TEETH!
Every DENTIST PHD BUREAUCRAT in the WORLD can make BOGUS claims in favor of fluoridation till their very ar$e$ bleeed, they STILL HAVE NOT THE RIGHT to FORCE MASS MEDICATION without the INFORMED CONSENT of WE PEOPLE. This is democracy When It WORKS. These guys try to instill FEAR that the most vulnerable will become at risk. HORSEFEATHERS! NAME ONE VULNERABLE PERSON! Fact is, the academics dont give a CRAP about disadvantaged or VULNERABLE persons. They MAKE THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER OFF THEM, but they SURE DONT “DO DINNER WITH THEM!” and, in summation, THAT is where the BEAR $h!t$ in the buckwheat! Whens the last time YOUR dentist took you to lunch? Your Doctor? your prof? Gimme a break. They dont like the STINK of common folk, but they sure like getting paid to sneer at us.

“one H, 2 O’s and” .. I believe that is 2 H’s and 1 O? Isn’t it funny how the people against it are spreading fear and misinformation, but those who are for it, deal in nothing but facts.

Again, YOU avoid the very specific SIMPLE CONCEPT of FREEDOM OF CHOICE. people have a CHOICE whether to consume SUGAR/SALT ALCOHOL Im no scientist, and it wouldnt matter WHAT study could be posted, because the PRO FLUORIDE folks LOVE to villify/demonize anyone who rattles their cage. I really dont CARE how STUPID you THINK I /WE are. YOU DO NOT GET to QUELL MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE, or, MY RIGHT to have a dissenting veiw. AND. YOU SNOOTY ALARMIST ELITISTS are EVERY bit as ADEPT at slinging MUD. YOU LOSE! WHAT gives YOU the RIGHT to DENY me CHOICE? the difference between GOD and YOU, god never pretends to BE YOU! and I NEVER confuse the LIKES of YOU for GOD!

FACTS ARE, the PRO CAMP is TERRIFIED of the RIGHT of the INDIVIDUAL to CHOOSE!

COME ON PUSSIES! FREEDOM OF CHOICE! WHERE DO YOU STAND? WHAT GIVES YOU the RIGHT TO SUPERCEDE my BASIC HUMAN RIGHT to dissent, to CHOOSE, to EXPRESS MYSELF? WHAT IS FUNNY HERE, is HOW I ROCKED YOUR BOATS! I COMPLETELY GOT YOUR COLLECTIVE GOATS.
what A TROLL AM I! I disagreed with the self obsessed snoot-pack. HOW DARE I!
ONE SIMPLE PROPOSITION has you SOILING your very diapers in unison. FREEDOM. CHOICE. DISSENT. BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
-a very nice day indeed.

-crickets-

Sorry PRINCE GEORGE POSTER for the above. I meant Johnny purplehead. PRINCE GEORGE POSTER definitely gets the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. oh, Canaduh.

re: blarg. I rest my case. See how much of a lather these people get into when faced with science?

see. the pro fluoride guys scatter like COCKROACHES when the TRUTH about their very NATURE gets ILLUMINATED. they actually think they can win hearts and minds by avoiding the REAL ISSUE here. and by badmouthing a regular sort of guy who LOVES FREEDOM and the RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
Who wants to be feinds with the likes of them? only others of them, cuz thats the only kind they can stand. they wouldnt respond truthfully to a simple question if it would save their life. “they wount dignify it with an answer”

You havent seen any lather, johnnie purplehead. Just keep avoiding the question, cherry pick your vitriol.
People who cant HANDLE REALITY hide behind bogus scientific studies, ONLY the deceptive ones that back their fragile agendas. You cant handle the truth. And rights and freedom scares the crap out of you.

Johnny you forgot the CFR and Agenda 22 in your list of pro fluoride globalists….

Maybe you are just unable to understand the natural right of a person to decide when they will or will not be medicated… did your parents ever tell you not to swallow the toothpaste?

Keep talking, blarg.

As for a worldwide conspiracy between the world’s major health organizations, it is simply more fear and BS spreading, made to make you fear the non-existent boogeyman.

Hopefully, PG residents are smarter than that.

Why thank you Johnnie, dont mind if I do, See there, you go again. Did I ask what YOU think about conspiracy theories? NOPE. Nooo, Johnnie purplehead. adjust your tin foil hat. Why do YOU think theres a bogeyman? were you (and i certainly hope not) tampered with as a young lad? If so, Then I see why you cling to such childish phantoms. in your imaginative world, all studies, especially those funded by special interest groups, with pre-set outcomes are fantasy. only studies that support your strange world view are valid.
and, you go to ANY LENGTH to avoid the QUESTION that I ASK EVERY PRO FLUORIDE NITWIT that ever sucked wind into their delusional selfs. WHAT possible thing could PREVENT YOU from ANSWERING WHY YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO OVERRULE MY RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF CHOICE?

I think Prince George Residents ARE smart enough to come to their own conclusions.
They dont need Brenda Matson or Todd Whitcombe to “think” or make such decisions for them. And I dont hide behind any doctorate to further my agenda.
And I dont CARE if the Champions of fluoridation get much deserved egg on their faces.

http://www.ilikemyteeth.org/fluoridation/fluoride-critics/

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Opponents Claim:

“Fluoridation is a ‘freedom of choice’ issue. People should choose when or if they have fluoride in their water.”

The Truth:

Fluoridation is a public health measure where a modest community-wide investment benefits everyone.

The Facts
•Fluoride exists naturally in virtually all water supplies, so it isn’t a question of choosing to get fluoride. The only question is whether people receive the optimal level that’s documented to prevent tooth decay.
•It is completely unrealistic to make water fluoridation a person-by-person or household-by-household choice. The cost efficiency comes from a public water system fluoridating its entire supply.
•Maintaining an optimal amount of fluoride in water is based on the principle that decisions about public health should be based on what is healthy for the entire community, not based on a handful of individuals whose extreme fears are not backed by the scientific evidence.”

Good night, blarg.

Last I checked we weren’t being force fed alcohol or soda pop by the city putting it in our drinking water Palopu! We get to choose to abuse our bodies ourself but in the case of fluoridated water we don’t get that choice. It’s not about fear JohnnyB its about a drug being administered to the masses for a dental desease. The process is wrong whether you beleve it is good for you or not!

IN SUMMATION. the Fluoride in Prince George’s water is NOT “NATURALLY OCCURRING” at all. it is a chemical waste product that is neither pure or of clinical quality from its source. As it is added via artificial MAN-MADE implements,
there is NOTHING “naturally occurring” about it. Johnnie has purposely avoided the question with smug, arrogant but highly incorrect assertions. As substances that are accepted as toxic, like LEAD and ARSENIC, are ALSO NATURALLY OCCURRING, they do NOT qualify as beneficial for human consumption, nor are they added to out food/water supply and described as “health measures” but wait. the impure INDUSTRIAL WASTE fluoride that the CPG adds DOES actually contain both LEAD and ARSENIC! THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL of CONSUMPTION of Fluoride or lead or arsenic for human beings. as little as 1 part-per-million can have adverse effects for those predisposed to other affective ailments. No one is trying to remove CHOICE from the pro-fluoride pack of ninnies. They certainly can afford to acquire that for themselves, and if they be truly altruistic as they pose to present themselves (b.s.) they would form a CHARITY AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO FLUORIDE TO THOSE WHO FEEL THEY REQUIRE IT! INSTEAD, THEY GET ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY AND DECREE THAT ALL CITIZENS MUST FINANCE THEIR PET CHEMICAL EXPERIMENT, AND DRINK IT AND LIKE IT AS WELL!
fact, FACT IS, THE PRO FLUORIDE CAMP ARE BULLIES. THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE US TO CONSUME THEIR TOXIC WASTE, OR TO PAY FOR IT, NO MATTER HOW TRIVIAL THEY CLAIM THE PRICE. they HATE that fact, and they would sooner place vipers up their very rectums than admit the error of their methodology, reasoning, and argument. goofnight Johnnie purlehead. you arrogant bully.

AND FURTHERMORE….the “naturally occurring” description is a deception. MERCURY is “naturally Occurring in some water sources, and it is strongly recommended NOT to ingest that water, or the fish from that water, as with Williston Lake. The poisoning is excruciating, tortured lingering death.
I recall watching Nat Geo coverage of a population of native indians who ignored mercury poisoning warnings. The beach was lined with writhing, moaning, contorted people, locked in inescapable poisoned death throes of Mercury…It was horrible to observe. The BIGGER the fish, the more concentrated the Mercury content. By Johnnie’s definition, this “natural occurrence” qualifies it as healthy food source. what fatally skewed logic.”Maintaining an optimal level of fluoride in the water” translated. deny citizens their right to choose at any cost. Not like your ever going to have to look them in the eye when these trusting people find themselves prematurely in the Cancer clinic huh? Johnnie. No skin off your butt. oh. blarg is being alarmist and using scary fear tactics. Mercury poisoning is real. It is accumulative and it is avoidable. Fluoride is very similar.

decisions about public health are not decisions that should exempt the public.
Public Health executives are UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS. they never should be permitted to write or enforce laws that they write. They NEVER ought to be granted omnipotence to dictate or decree public policy without oversight or consultation. This is an extremely dangerous situation.
It denotes the death of democracy, and the rebirth of dictatorship. The CITY representatives ARE duly elected representatives who are by all means, supposed to follow democratic protocol, and defend democratic principle. That means, WE the PEOPLE should never be denied information about any policy or procedure that effects us or our well being.
OPEN AND ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT.
hence, a referendumb. Allready the pro Fluo gang are aligning their ducks. and diddesnting voices are being ridiculed, mocked, and portrayed as alarmist and fear mongerers. deny CHOICE at any cost, after all, they do it on the PUBLIC PURSE. They can not even fall back on their own resources to back their brand. nope. They WILL EMPLOY PUBLIC FUNDS AGAINST TRUE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. because THAT is their way. that is EXACTLY, PRECISELY, how LOW class that they are.