its going to get built. Who are we kidding. This government has the will, and the province needs the power.

May not need the power to day but this is about forwarded thinking and 7 years down the road with increased economic activity and growth in other areas we will need the power.

Why cant we wait until the report is released instead of prematurely to leave us guessing as to what the report is all about.

We don’t need the power its all about exporting it to the good old USA
Cheers

The province does not need the power.
BC Hydro needs the power to sell to the USA.

It is shuck and jive and more corporate welfare on taxpayer dime.

jinx

Dam it.

“BC Hydro needs the power to sell to the USA.”

You say it like it’s a bad thing.

Any time a business moves away from core activities, it is a bad thing.
This is a former crown asset that was privatized, and is now trying to do everything except what it was originally created for, to generate and distribute electrical power top the province of BC.

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Loki: “Any time a business moves away from core activities, it is a bad thing.”

Like any business, they are there to make a profit and to adapt to the ever changing marketplace. Staying inflexible and stuck in the past is a sure way to failure.

Loki please explain further? How is supplying power a more away from its core? Did I miss something.

Our load is increasing this plant is required. As for selling excess power to the states or Alberta some understanding on how the grid operates is required. There is enough generation available so in case one major source of generation goes down there is enough available generation to keep the lights on. Without site c there would not be this reserve. That means we have generation available to sell.

Also this generation is required to backup the IPP’S and wind farms as they do not generate firm power. So in other words the taxpayer gives private power big subsidies and buys their power at much higher rates than Hydro can generate it for. So therefore we have private power and public power to back them up and people wonder why our rates are climbing.

How is supplying power a more away from its core?
Did I miss something.(?)

The other half of my statement.

to generate and distribute electrical power to the province of BC.

You and me have a difference of opinion on this matter. Neither one of us is willing to budge. So we are and will have a merry go round on this subject.

I am curious though, why are you such a strong proponent for this and other ecologically hazardous projects? You are a very strong supporter of heavy industry and mega projects. You often spout off about the need for economic development. Plus, you also denigrate anything that has promise of being alternative to the status quo such as railing against IPP with the weak excuse that it costs more than dam hydro.

It seems to me that you have too strong an interest and argue too vehemently to simply be “just” a citizen.

“We” cannot continue to operate with prewar ideological. Those ideologies were never a positive thing except for those that directly benefited. For everyone else involved, they tended to be quite harmful and even hurtful.

I am looking for a better world for all in my life time. Filling the bank accounts of those that already have way more than enough while others starve does not fit my ideal and I find it very objectionable.

BC Hydro is so far is debt it will never get out. Suggesting that they are there to make a profit is bogus. Any surplus funds go to the Government.

We have sufficient power to look after our needs for generations to come, without ever building Site C. Site C is just a huge project to generate electricity to export to the USA.

Canfor produces most of the energy it uses in its pulp mills. There are many other co-gen projects around the Province. We have less industry in BC to-day than we had 10/20 years ago, so to suggest we need more power for industry is pure baloney. Rio Tinto Alcan produces it own electricity and will have surplus power available for selling to the Yanks, or to supply the mines on Highway 37.

We could if we chose to, produce electricity from LNG, however we chose to sell it to the Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, and Americans, so they can use it to produce electricity.

Site C is another huge con job by the Liberal Government, and it never ceases to amaze me how quick some people jump on the Government band wagon. Usually without doing any analysis of the information that is available before making a decision,.

You provide a lot of bold statements (opinions), Palopu, but never reveal where you’re getting your information from. Care to share?

JohhnyBelt.

Just start at Prince Rupert and work your way East and you will see that many many industries have long gone.

1.Watson Island (Pr Rupert) Pulp Mill
2.Eurocan Pulp and Paper, Kitimat
3.Sawmills in Terrace
4.Clear Lake Sawmill
5.North Central Plywood
6.Rustad Bros.
7.Netherlands Overseas Mills
8.Upper Fraser Sawmill
9.The Pas Lumber (River Road)
10. The Pas Lumber Sawmill in Bear Lake.
11. Abitibi Newsprint Mill in MacKenzie.
12. Major Coal Mines in Tumbler Ridge.
13. BC Rail Electric Railway from Ansac to Tumbler Ridge.
14. Kemess Mine
15. Other mills set to shut down, like West Fraser mill in Houston and Canfor’s mill in Quesnel.

I’m sure there are many more mill closures, and industry closure, however you get my drift.

I am not aware on any new industry that has opened in North Central BC with the exception of Mt Milligan Mine.

So perhaps you (JohnnyBelt) could give us some insight at to where all this power went, and what industry will be using power from Site C. If you are going to use LNG plants as an example you should keep in mind that they could if they wanted to generate their own power by burning Natural Gas.

In any event have a go at it.

Palopu.

Of those 14 industrial installations, how much power were they using as compared to total output? You conveniently don’t give any hard numbers.

Chargers from new iphones alone will gobble up all the power from those closed industrial facilities.

I don’t need hard numbers. Common sense tells you that pulp mills, sawmills, electric railways and other industry use one hell of a lot of power.

If you cannot come up with any new industry that is using this power, then you might as well admit that most of it is being exported to the USA.

There has been no change in the population in the Interior for the past 20 years, so we can assume that we use about the same amount of electricity that we always have (domestically)

There is probably a big increase in domestic use in the lower mainland, however nothing that couldn’t be handled by the surplus created by co-generation plants, like the one in Williams Lake, or the power that is now produced by Canfor in its three pulp mills, or from some of the IPP’s.

Have a nice day.

Palopu well your common sense is wrong and Loki you prove no knowledge on IPP’S. I am not a fan of The Tyee but go over there and do a search on IPP’S, interesting information. Were do you expect power to come from.

Palopu Hydro is in debt because of being used as a piggy bank. Sorry power consumption is increasing just look at all electronic devices in a home compared to saytwenty years ago. Have a nice day.

seamut. Name a few electronic devices in a home to-day compared to 20 years ago if you can. Twenty year ago I had and electric stove, frige, washer, dryer, television, plug ins for vehicles and outlets for power tools etc; Basically the same as I have now. I probably use less power, and pay more.

I agree that Hydro is being used as a piggy bank by the Government.

Power consumption is BC is actually down.

Expressed in GWhs (what BC Hydro sells) total volume of domestic (inside BC) sales went from 52,440 in 2006 to 50,233 units by
2010. After five years at the 52/53 levels, demand dropped away sharply in 2010.

This should give you some indication that domestic consumption is not rising at a rate that would warrant Site C.

Palopu: “I don’t need hard numbers.”

Ah. So in essence you’re throwing a bunch of BS against the wall, hoping for some of it to stick.

I agree with the other posters that the average home nowadays consumes more power than it did in the 70’s. We simply have more ‘stuff’ that depends on electricity to run. We have more TV’s, more electronics, gadgets, etc. Maybe your home hasn’t changed much since the last century, but most everyone else’s has.

Also the population has almost doubled since the 70s -which means double the fridges, stoves, tvs, washers, dryers, plug ins for vehicles, etc.

The population of BC is not going down so there will be a need for more power regardless if any LNG is built.

Earliest date of power production right now is 2022 – so they can’t really wait and see what happens

Sorry load has increased and is projected to increase from 1.7 to 2% per year. Your figures are old. Also the lead time for in service which at earliest is 2024 so you are saying your crystal ball is better. There has to be a reserve factor built in for maintenance, unplanned outages, water availability and this reserve is narrowing and is projected to be critical before site c is on line.

There is a rather large PDF available on the requirement for site c I suggest you look it up, tear it apart and march right down to the hydro office and tell them its BS.

If you want to see pie in the sky planning Germany, England, Spain, Portugal and the mess they have. Germany alone power rates have increased 300% trying to play green and are now building coal fired generating plants as fast as they can to catch up at a huge cost.