Cullen is blowing a lot of **Hot Air**

Wonder where he got the figure that two thirds of British Columbians are opposed to it.

Of course this pipeline is a political problem for the Federal Government, however at the end of the day, the Government has to make decisions in the **National Interest**, which I suspect in this case would be to build the pipeline.

With thousands and thousands of jobs relying on the oil patch, and with a surplus of oil and gas surfacing in the USA, we need to find markets for our oil.

The Americans are dragging their feet on Keystone, which would have been one way out of this dilemma, another would be a pipeline East, however when would that happen?? Rail to Prince Rupert/Kitimat is a possibility, however this increases the price in a competitive market.

In any event all we have is a bunch of **paper shufflers** in the opposition, and the current Government.

My guess is that Harper will go ahead with the project and take the political risks.

Palopu, I agree with you. We need to sell oil to the world, not just the Yankees.

37cents of every dollar in GDP is oil based. It impacts everyones lives.

I am sure Cullen’s stats may well have been based on the people he talked with.
Sort of like a poll, it gives an idea of those who actually get a chance to respond, not necessarily everyone.

I think it is pretty much a sure thing that this pipeline is going to be ramrodded through by our governments.
Do I agree with it, nope…will my vote matter, not unlesss I get a chance to have a say that is counted…and I doubt that will ever happen.

2/3 ya right Cullen. Who is your love affair with?

Palopu, do you realize the Skeena region is one of the last non industrialized major watersheds left. Leave it alone. I am all for business moving forward. I am all for the oil going to other markets. But this watershed is way to surreal, way to beautiful, and way too important for the gains of the immediate future.

If you support Northern Gateway, you are a very short sighted individual, no matter who you are. The world doesn’t need, we don’t need it, the Skeena doesn’t need it. Send the oil somewhere else.

I live in Terrace. What I have long sensed in talking with people (which I do a lot of) is that those who are opposed say so loud and clear, they think they have the support of everyone else in the community, and scorn anyone who is supportive. Those who are either on the fence or in support generally don’t say so unless they first feel you out a bit as doing so to the wrong person can bring certain condemnation. The anti-Endbridge crowd thinks they know best.
Personally, I lean toward support. I believe all the activity in our area is short term unless we get some of actual investment in the many resource projects proposed, and not just the talk of speculators.

and Croag more or less proved my point while I wrote that comment.

BCracer, yeah I agree that it will get ramrodded through, but I don’t think they are prepared for the civil disobedience they are going to get when they start it. It will be on a scale they have not seen before. People are choked about this!!!!!

Croag, some of us understand the investment is needed, we understand that Alberta and Canada as a whole need to find another purchaser for our resources in order to get fair investment. You should stop and think about how many people left NW BC in the past 10 yrs to take jobs in the oil fields; they did so because there were no jobs in Terrace, Kitimat, Rupert

theviewupthere???

why, why do you need the development. You have the LNG, you have the Mining, forestry is moving forward again. All great things, at a way lower cost if something goes wrong. Like I said you are looking at the immediate gain, and not the long term pain if something were to happen.

I want my kids and grandkids to enjoy that area that’s all. It would be terrible if something were to happen

How about shipping the oil east and quit bringing import oil to Ontario? Mining, forestry, and the LNG bonanza will save BC. No? Christy says so…..

Let’s refine Canadian oil in Canada.

Croag on May 29 2014 12:32 PM said in part (I don’t think they are prepared for the civil disobedience they are going to get when they start it. It will be on a scale they have not seen before.)
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Don’t expect me to support your drive for civil disobedience, your being delusional if you think people are going to risk their lives and jobs, along with the very prospect of fines and or jail for what? What if the petroleum companies decide to perform a little type of their own disobedience, by slowing up or stopping the flow of gasoline and diesel to these areas of civil strife, what you going to do then? ride a grizzly bear to your own private war… along with riding him looking for food from depleted store shelves.

Enbridge Northern Gateway in the national interest? Have the Conservatives all followed Rob Fords lead and are now smoking crack?
Here are some simple facts that even Conservatives should be able to understand.

1- Canada imports far more oil than Northern Gateway will export, and at world prices. The only national interest served by Northern Gateway is that of China.

2- A bitumen spill off the West Coast of Canada has been estimated at up to $12 billion to clean up, let alone the devastating financial repercussions on the fishery and tourism.

3-There is no way to clean a pipeline spill into a river during winter. By springtime, how far will the bitumen have spread under the ice- Vancouver?

4- There is not enough manpower or finances available to build all the proposed pipelines to the west coast. We should concentrate on those with the biggest benefit to BC, namely the LNG pipelines.

5- Joe Oliver and Harper have been talking s*it about Northern Gateway opposition for a long time now.From calling opposition to it “ecoterrorists” to setting Revenue Canada onto various nonprofits, rational, logical thinking about this project is in short supply at Conservatives HQ, and it will cost them big time next election

I sure hope all this talk about co2 is hogwash for our sake anyway, the present government seems to think so. But then why do we pay carbon tax on gas? Makes you kinda wonder who the government(for the people by the people) is working for anyway and who gets all the carbon tax money.

We need to refine our own oil/resources right here in Canada ………….. we should not be shipping raw bitumen to China so they can turn around and sell refined product back. The Alberta Oil Companies need to invest a little further and build refineries where they are taking the oil out of the ground. I support Black’s idea of a refinery; but not on our coast. Build it in the Peace … near where all the refineries are. It’s was less dangerous to ship refined product; and refined product is shipped all over Canada and everywhere else everyday, anyway. No to a pipeline designed to ship raw bitumen.

R5: “We need to refine our own oil/resources right here in Canada “

It would be nice, but the cost of doing business here is too high. We’re competing on a global scale and we’ve priced ourselves out of the market… which is why Canada hasn’t built a refinery since the 80’s.

The Harper Government and Enbridge are just like rapists; they won’t take “NO” for an answer!!!

“It would be nice, but the cost of doing business here is too high. We’re competing on a global scale and we’ve priced ourselves out of the market… which is why Canada hasn’t built a refinery since the 80’s.”

I bet we could do it with TFWs and a few labour law violations – ya know, until they form a union ;)

So Johnny’s reason to sell out Canada is because corporations can make more profits with labor arbitrage doing business overseas. Way to sell out your country there Johnny.

Americans have had to delay Keystone because an inspection of the Southern route found that more than half all all welds failed their tests. Now it might jeopardize the whole project. A project Trans Canada said was going to be to the highest world class standards.

Meanwhile we already have overseas schools accredited to train welders for Northern Gateway. Christy Clark was in the Philippines to make the announcement a while back with no less than three colleges in the city of Cebu alone that were accredited for training welders for BC pipelines.

A 50% or greater weld failure rate for Keystone with American welders and yet we will expect better from overseas TFW’s?

He Spoke I’d like to call you on your claim that 37% of GDP is oil and gas related. That is total bunk unless maybe you are talking about Fort Mac.

Facts are that in Canada and the US more than 50% of GDP is now finance related… not based on producing anything, but rather speculation of finance.

So you are trying to say that all the rest of the economy, fisheries, agriculture, forestry, manufacturing, tourism, health care, and entertainment only account for 13% of the GDP. Pure hog wash.

A quick search would prove that statement bunk.

Eagle: “So Johnny’s reason to sell out Canada is because corporations can make more profits with labor arbitrage doing business overseas. Way to sell out your country there Johnny.”

I didn’t sell anything, just made an observation. Sorry you didn’t like it.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/twenty-years-after-the-protest-what-we-learned-from-clayoquot-sound/article13709014/?service=mobile

The Native and others will stop Northern Gateway. If this project is forced down our throats there will be protests and blockaids that will be mind boggling. People will be arrested, people will go to jail but the pipeline will be stopped.

Cullen is so out of touch with reality, elections are won in Ontario and Quebec – the result is complete before those in BC even out down a check mark on a ballot

I think JohnnyBelt has a point there: it is too costly to refine here, and we all know that the oil in the ground will disappear or maybe go bad or something if we don’t do something with it right now. It’s like milk and has an expiration date. Drill it, pump it, sell it raw – just like every other resource in Canada. Screw the future, I say!

There is currently a regulatory filing to connect the east coast to Alberta oil. It won’t happen over night. The conservatives, to their credit, streamlined the hearing proceedings, much to the wailing of the anti-everything crowd. Hopefully it won’t take decades like the Mackenzie Pipeline process.

cutbanks: “I think JohnnyBelt has a point there: it is too costly to refine here, and we all know that the oil in the ground will disappear or maybe go bad or something if we don’t do something with it right now. “

Hoarding our vast resources isn’t the answer. Our economy largely depends on resource extraction. Where do you think our high standard of living comes from? It’s not fairy dust.

What? Who says we deserve anything? Especially a high standard of living? We are taking about resources from the planet that have taken millennia to form and we are choosing to consume them in a few generations. And that’s hoarding?

I’m very concerned about the future my children and grandchildren are facing on this planet due to the greed of some of you humans. You are the scourge of this planet.

And yet your standard of living depends on those resources you despise so much. You must feel incredibly guilty.

Dragonmaster if you want to protect the resources for kids future, How about telling Cullen to stop Jet setting all over the country telling everyone about protecting the environment , Me thinks the guy speaks with a bit of a fork tongue.

JB states; “And yet “your” standard of living depends on those resources you despise so much. You must feel incredibly guilty.”

What about our children’s, and their children’s, standard of living JB? This isn’t just our resources, it should be theirs as well. But no… a few on here want it all for themselves, dig it all up now!!! Who cares about the future, right?

You’re right, Peeps. We should eschew all of our luxuries and go back to living in caves… you know, for the grandchildren. You go first and let us all know how it goes.

OK peeps, keep it in the ground, but that means no more money for teachers. Hmmmm. Conundrum.

A couple of examples of opinions with the blinders on, not believing there is any other part to the economy other than the oil industry? No forestry, no fishing, no agriculture, no manufacturing, and no otherwise ingenuity left to mankind. Common now, really, is that your argument? Really? Its a weak argument.

Just so we are all clear here the Northern Gateway Pipeline is not about domestic supply, but rather for off shore exports.

One could say our dollar could go down (or just not go up further than it already is) so that we have more of them to pay for imports with if we don’t export oil… although then our exports in other areas of the economy would rise.

Canada has no energy shortage so that is not part of the equation, but dollar values could be part of an equation. I think going back to living in caves certainly is an example of hyperbole not connected to reality.

Re: civil disobedience and demos over Gateway. These foreign funded anti-pipeline goofs will get a real surprise this time when some Pro-Canada supporters show up. Be fun to kick some tree hugger ass. They don’t need or want jobs but the overwhelming majority of the Canadians in this area do.

“It would be nice, but the cost of doing business here is too high. We’re competing on a global scale and we’ve priced ourselves out of the market… which is why Canada hasn’t built a refinery since the 80’s.”

“Meantime, Cullen says he has had a lengthy conversation with David Black about Black’s idea to build a refinery in Kitimat,”

Apparently this Black fellow has found that the cost of doing business in Canada isn’t too high? If he can build a refinery in Kitimat, they can build one in Ft Mac

Why do people call this an oil pipeline, its exporting a raw product and why export the raw product because China wants to refined it in their country and great jobs for their people plus all the by-products and we continue to allow it to happen because oil companies say the cost is to high and we believe them… suckers

Its the major oil companies that want to export this oil to China for refining. Not just the Chinese.

The new world order will be in Asia. Countries like Canada will be nothing more that hewers of wood, and carriers of water.

Not much difference between a TFW and the rest of us. We are all foreigners in Canada. Some people think that just because they got here a few hundred years ago, they have more rights than those who are in the process of arriving. Hmmmmmm.

Sorry the companies in question majority of the companies shares owned by the Chinese Government.