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Storm Water Utility Not Likely Until Mid 2015

Monday, September 8, 2014 @ 4:21 AM

Prince George, B.C. – The storm water utility,  aimed at raising funds  for an aging  storm water drainage system  infrastructure,  is not likely to be  finalized by the current Mayor and Council.stormwaterutilityem

Staff have been working on  coming up with a new  funding  formula,  one that would make it fair to all taxpayers, since  last May.  That was when the Finance and Audit committee called on staff to come back with a formula that  was  not as complicated. “Council said it needed to be  a simpler rate structure” says Gina Layte- Liston of the City’s Public Works Department “So administration has had to go back and look at how we can simplify that  structure  while still getting what is needed out of the utility.”

Reports to  Council  indicated the  utility would need about $3.8 million dollars  to  keep the more than 330kms of pipe, 1088 kms of ditches,  and  nearly 12 and half thousand culverts, in tip top shape.  Layte-Liston says  the  need for a special  utility to deal with storm water  issues is simple “We are finding the operation and maintenance budgets are not high enough to deal with all the maintenance and  operations.  But also, with our capital projects,  all of them are in the same pot as all the  other projects, where  if we have the utility it will sort of separate that out and  spending  from a storm water utility can only be  spent on storm water.”

So, if you are taking those  operations and capital projects out of the general operations  funds,  will that mean that side of the annual tax bill will be reduced accordingly? Layte-Liston was non committal on that  question “I can’t speculate on that,   that would be a Council decision.”

Originally, it was  proposed that  properties with  lots of impervious  areas ( roof, parking lots, driveways patios etc.) would pay more.  The  initial rate structure would see  single family dwelling’s  pay $100 dollars a year, Heavy Industry $5.5 thousand,  Large retail (with large parking lots) $10.5 thousand a year, and a downtown business pay  about $800 a year. But there were many “what ifs” presented to the City,  what if the homeowner uses rain barrels,  what if a business has it’s own catchment pond, what kind of  discounts would those circumstances  provide?

The initial plan  called for a credit system to be applied to  those properties which had special systems  installed in their properties to reduce the amount of run off  “there are a number of ways that over the  years people have been decreasing the amount of run off from  their properties” says Layte-Liston.

The  proposed utility has been under a lot of heat, as  the public has referred to it as “the rain tax”,  but Layte-Liston says that’s largely because  it is a complicated  issue that  is more difficult to explain to the public  “It’s not just about the rainwater that’s coming out of the sky and onto a piece of  property.  There’s many different things involved with the storm water system.  We have  large number of kilometers  of pipe in the ground, we have a large infrastructure system.  We have  the watershed that they (the run off ) go into, so all of our storm water system in Prince George  goes out to creeks  and rivers and streams so that is part of the infrastructure.  So when the rain falls and the snow melts and any other type of precipitation occurs, that stuff has to be dealt with.”  “That stuff is not just rainwater, but could include much more such as the soapy water that  runs off a driveway when  a person washes their  vehicle.

“There are  other communities throughout British Columbia and Alberta that have flat rate structures where everyone is charged the same amount” says Layte-Liston.  “There’s a full variety, you can go from  flat  rate structure that everybody gets one, right to  a, considered to be more complicated than what we were looking at, where every single home  looks at the impervious, or hard surfaces  on the piece of property and that’s something Edmonton does.”

She says while staff  thought they had presented a  middle of the road rate structure to Council  it was clear  “Even that can be difficult to communicate.”

Yes there is a municipal election just around the corner, but Layte-Liston says the development  of this  utility and its implementation  are not being delayed until after that vote “There is no delay , we are not putting it off until Spring , there will be that time taken to be working on it so it can come out in the proper way that finance and audit wanted  to work it.”

The new rate structure is still  under development, but  will not likely be  ready in time for it to be approved, a new bylaw developed  and ready to roll for the first of January.  It is more likely the rate structure will be presented to Finance and Audit  in the new year,  and the  utility in place for the late summer billing that is due in September.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

You know that you are in trouble when a high paid employee refers to Storm Water run off as **stuff* and makes reference to **soapy water from washing a car**

We need the City Administration and Council to explain in detail where the Storm Water problems are, and the cost to have them brought up to a reasonable standard. We know that during the spring run off and during the heavy rain storm a few weeks ago that all the water disappeared almost immediately and there was no significant pooling of water anywhere in the City. So why the big panic about putting in a Storm Water Utility.

Could it be because the Winter Games Levy is due to expire in 2015 and the City is looking for a way to keep the $3 Million annually that we presently pay for the Winter Games. Thus implement a **needed** Storm Water Tax, and keep the $3 Million per year, and then take the money that is presently in the budget for storm water, and transfer it into General Revenue.

Anyone who thinks this is not an attempt to generate more revenue for the City is just fooling themselves.

Unless they have facts and figures to back up their assertions, then they should not get this tax.

This is a good item to go after those who are running for Mayor and Council, and see if they know what the hell they are talking about. Somehow I doubt it.

You think this is bad, just wait until the City slaps water meters on people’s houses like they’ve been hinting at for the past few years.

As part of the Hart Highlands sewer project we questioned why we were paying City employee wages when their wages come out of the general tax base that we’ve already paid into. We were told that the wages for these workers comes out of the sewer utility which we don’t pay into because we don’t have sewer. So…if we follow that same logic… we don’t have storm drains – therefore we don’t pay into it!

All these expenditures used to be paid for out of our taxes. Now it seems the city wants a separate utility for everything from snow removal to storm drains. This begs the question; what are they doing with all the tax dollars collected, besides Green’s excessive salary increase and the $90,000 / year secretary she needed (that other mayors apparently got by without). I think are tax dollars are being mismanaged, and why do taxpayers have to pay for reports and studies performed by city staff? The are paid to do these jobs already.

Appears that they don’t have a budget for infrastructure maintenance. Appears that the City is unable to manage the finances of the City. Why would they need a Storm Water Utility. If they stopped spending tax dollars on airy fairy ideas like big police stations and dreams of a PAC.

If they showed some responsibility in spending tax dollars all that they needed to do is increase the mill rate for additional funds but that is something they don’t understand.

After leaving Prince George we have found that were we live now the taxes are higher then what we paid in PG. Gus was always telling us that

cities of similar size had a higher mill rate then PG and I have to now agree with him were ever he is. And I do feel that we are getting more for our tax dollars .
Cheers

Once they see how much the winter games will cost us then they will try to cover it with this stupid tax

Rain water tax brought to you by the same great people at city hall who spent 40 million on a cop shop, spent 15 million putting pipes in the ground so they could buy units of energy from Lakeland Mills that no doubt cost far in excess of natural gas, winter games tax levy, and of course the hidden agenda for a PAC.

Look at Ospika Blvd between Range rd and Tyner. Paved two years ago. Repaired last year and now once again repaired and looking like a patch work quilt. Someone should be taken to task for the shoddy workmanship and not expect the taxpayer to pick up the bill in a couple of years for paving once again.

Do any of us believe the spin from city hall. Not likely.

This is what happens when you have bottoms in chairs just going through the motions. Finance and Audit
needs an audit….

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