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First Nations Repeat Opposition to Northern Gateway

Monday, December 8, 2014 @ 8:24 AM

Prince George, B.C. – “We’ll do what needs to be done to make sure Northern Gateway is never built.”

That’s the message the Yinka Dene Alliance (YDA) is sending Alberta Premier Jim Prentice to mark the fourth anniversary of the Save the Fraser Declaration.

An indigenous law, the declaration is supported by more than 100 First Nations to ban tar sands pipelines and tankers from their territories.

As part of their message, the YDA is sending Prentice a map of timeline of opposition to the pipeline project, including the first communication between himself as a point man for Enbridge in its attempt to build support for the project among First Nations leaders.

Nak’azdli Chief Fred Sam is based in Fort St. James and says they plan to voice their opposition to the project through the courts but adds “some bands may have some blockades in the works.”

He says most of their opposition to the pipeline is based on environmental concerns.

“We’ve seen the devastation that oil spills have done to other areas in the United States, Alaska and those effects are still being felt.”

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First get it right, its oil sands not tar sands. Tar sands is used because it sounds ucky and that discredits their illinformed argument on the technical side.

Support the refinery and sell the finished product. Prices will shoot up again after Saudi Arabia stops playing games.

If you want to be picky seamut call it what it is “bituminous sands”. I like the name tar sands, it has a nice ring to it. Do you really think refining it here will not cause the prices to go up? The predicted 48.00 a barrel should put the Tar Sands out of business. Been a few layoffs in the good ole US of A already.

@NoWay, so you’re hoping for thousands of good paying jobs to disappear? I’ll bet you shop at Walmart, too.

The following is an interesting read, a bit long but worth the time:

http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/2014/07/vivian-krause-great-green-trade-barrier/

The tar sands were called the tar sands for a hundred years til David frum came up with harpers new name ” oil sands ” to make it sound more palatable . I would imagine he would like to change the name of the labrea tar pits to labrea oil pits . The smell test doesn’t play semantics . That’s for politicians . It’s not all bad news however . Richie brothers auctioneers inc. t.rba . Will make a fortune . They have been the silver lining after every alberta melt down . De ja vous all over again . Plus you will likely be able to pick up a pickup with truck nuts on the cheap.

No, the smell test is for whining hypocrites who depend on UNION jobs to prop up their rinky dink fledgling NDP. Without those working men and women paying dues into Dipper coffers, the whine and cheese party would be more irrelevant than it is now.

It’s interesting that the natives continue to fight the pipeline development. The sale of this commodity is and will continue to be a major catalyst in meeting the financial demands of the natives and all others “social development” groups that demand funding for dis’n’dat!
Unless of course that we, the tax payers, agree in principle to the notion that our taxes can rise to any level just to satisfy the those with their hands out. In other words, we have verrrry deep pockets! No?
And, don’t feed me that crap that only big business people are a drain on our economic well being. As for one sector, just look at all the NGO’s having to pay their (Chief) Executive Officers their big money.

Nuffsnuff1 you are wrong, social development is paid for with fairy dust.

yes we are concerned about oil spills…
and we have the right to be concerned…
the oil companies keep showing us that they can’t keep the oil inside the pipelines…
a spill in the usa
a spill on prairies,
a recent spill in Alberta, (probably same company)
if they can’t keep the oil in the pipelines on the flats, where there is little or no earth movement, why would we believe they will be able to keep it there in the MOUNTAINS ? ? ? ? ? and out of our rivers…..

Oil companies have been subsidized with billions of tax dollars to get to where they are today.

I oppose tar sands oil being shipped through BC for the export market. I also strongly oppose a carbon tax that kills productivity in Canada taxing energy consumption in a country where energy affordability is our prime source of competitive advantage and an essential requirement for life in the north.

I would like to see a progressive solution through a 1% tax on the year end income tax bill that is dedicated to subsidizing the infrastructure build out of competing clean energy sources. We have hydrogen technology today that makes the oil industry obsolete, but we don’t have the refuelling infrastructure to make it viable. Same with meters on homes that can sell back to the grid… It would be the end of hydro carbins in our economy over time through positive solutions. Maybe we need mobile units that can fast charge an electric car or refuel a hydrogen fuel cell car if it lands out of range as a short stop gap measure… Lots of great solutions starved of any seed capital to make it happen is the real story IMO.

Eagleone read this, there is no need for a 1% tax

http://www.cfact.org/2014/05/14/big-greens-untold-billions/?utm_source=CFACT+Updates&utm_campaign=708b62c1f9-Big_Green_s_billions5_14_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a28eaedb56-708b62c1f9-270066341#

Where does the hydrogen come from? What powers the production? Can a transport truck run on batteries? How long will a charge last in a Canadian winter? Batteries have been under development for over a hundred years, not much progress, something called physics gets in the way. Those evil society building fossil fuels will be around for awhile yet.

Want the smallest ecological footprint for abundant energy, build newest generation nuclear. Hey China, India and Russia see the light.

Hydrogen comes from chemistry and or electrolysis and can for the most part be produced at home, or through shunting from other generation sorts. It’s the infrastructure deficit that holds back a clean hydrogen economy. Germany and Japan will be the leaders in the new economy of energy. Transport trucks can run on natural gas but that requires infrastructure as well. Why do you need to focus on batteries when it will be such a small part of a sustainable hydrogen economy?

As for nuclear… That is just suicide for the planet IMO.

Wouldn’t it be an interesting experiment if all the anti fossil fuel folks on this site, looked arosund their houses and tossed out everything that had a fossil fuel component. Get rid of their cars, only take electric buses, dont fly on planes, dont use anything that would have been made assisted by something that came from fossil fuels. So why dont all you oil naysayers give it a try. Let us know how it turns out for you.

Oooops..can’t take electric buses because lubrication is needed for the moving parts….sorry

Doofus…that would be pretty stupid.

You really should update yourself on nuclear. Germany is building coal plants as fast as they can since stupidly shutting down their nuclear for no rational reason.

Posted on Monday, December 8, 2014 @ 3:10 PM by gimmeabreak

Wouldn’t it be an interesting experiment if all the anti fossil fuel folks on this site, looked arosund their houses and tossed out everything that had a fossil fuel component.

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You misunderstand them. They want all the luxuries of an oil based society; they just don’t want anyone else to have the same. :)

Actually oil is the largest primary source of energy in Japan. They are also planning on reinstating nuclear power after upgrades.

Nuclear generation in Japan represented about 26% of the power generation prior to the 2011 earthquake and was one of the country’s least expensive forms of power supply. Japan replaced the significant loss of nuclear power with generation from imported natural gas, low-sulfur crude oil, fuel oil, and coal that caused a higher price of electricity for its government, utilities, and consumers. Fuel import cost increases have resulted in Japan’s top 10 utilities losing over $30 billion in the past two years. Japan spent $250 billion on total fuel imports in 2012, a third of the country’s total import charge. Despite strength in export markets, the yen’s depreciation and soaring natural gas and oil import costs from a greater reliance on fossil fuels continued to deepen Japan’s recent trade deficit throughout 2013.

Eagleone; Why on earth would you want h2 produced in a mass quantity in your home? Given the elements propensity for leakage as well as a massive explosive range it would sheer stupidity & recklessness to intentionally produce h2 for home use. As for industrial suppliers, the amount of energy required to produce h2 for the general population is just not cost effective, the technology is not there yet.

What’s wrong with h2? They used it to fill balloons with it and fly around… uh, maybe that’s a bad example.

Oh the humanity..

Nobody would sell them helium to fill their “balloons”.

Doofus…. sooo funny…

Wonder if those that have threatened violence would be branded terrorists with corresponding severe penalties. Could be likely.

I totally respect those folks who are opposed to projects like this. In all fairness to everyone, the benefits that are forfeited must also be accepted by all those folks who are recipients of government handouts.

You want to control the economics of our country, you must also accept the consequences. Less jobs, less money, less economic development for our province. I have no problem with this as long as everyone accepts the consequences. (Equally)

There are no free rides in my world. Produce something of value that someone else needs or wants and is willing to pay for. That’s a great starting point. It’s called a JOB. Either get one or create one.

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