So… stack some more in there.
make it miserable for the convicts

This is a bald faced lie. We are often told judges are soft on crime and never send anyone to jail, so there can’t possibly be anyone in there when judges never send anyone there – or, maybe we just don’t have enough jails, and who really wants to pay taxes to build and staff them. Flogging seems to be working for Saudi Arabia – is that constitutional?

Stack them in there double deep and then have them beat in each other 24/7.

Make jail a deterrent,not a comfy place to stay during the winter where you get 3 meals, dental, medical, cable TV etc. Criminals have it better than most seniors while in jail. Disgusting.

The gaol is not a comfy accommodation. I think there is a misconception to believe that it is a bed of roses. Sure our system is leap and bounds ahead of other countries around the world, but from what I have seen and built, it is a gaol.

As far as the rights the prisoners have, that you can blame Trudeau.

The unfortunate thing about being a client at the gaol, the client becomes in care of the province. If you deny them access to Medical and Dental, and if they die because of it, than the Province is liable for the death of that client under care. Who is the Province, you and me paying for it. Thus we need to provide them with a reasonable level of amenities.

So the issue is TV, the gaol controls to programs and the idea I assume is to keep idle minds busy. Thus why not have programs which enriches them. after all it is ignorance that brought them into gaol, if there is a chance for a morsel of knowledge, it may change them when they get out.

Yes many of these offenders return, but we never talk about the ones that made corrections to their lifestyle.

He Spoke is correct in his comments, so I’d like to know which of you “corrections experts” have spent a single minute in PGRCC past the reception desk? I thought not. Trust me, as someone who’s worked in that place, you do not ever want to do anything that will get you an invite as a guest of the queen in that place.
Give inmates every program in the book, especially education and job readiness skills, and maybe, just maybe when they come out they might find employment and start thinking of themselves as part of society instead of being on the outside, looking in and wondering how to take advantage of their next criminal opportunity.

Too late to be spending money on them in PGRCC. The money would be better spent on youth education and programs so they don’t become an adult in PGRCC. Life is about choices. They chose a cell over a bedroom !

I agree with Krusty. With the exception of certain convicts, we have to accept the fact that these people WILL be released from jail at some point in time. If you don’t treat them as human beings when they are in prison, what makes us think they will act like human beings when they are released back into the public?

I’d also put forth that there is a big difference between treating someone like a human being and “spoiling” them. I simply don’t buy into the view that prisoners “have it good”, nor should they. It’s prison. They are there to be punished for crimes they have committed AND to be rehabilitated. In order to accomplish that second goal, there has to be a conducive environment.

Stop sending people to jail on stupid petty crimes then, When i was in there some old man 65 years old came in cause he got into a arguement with a pizza delivery driver and pushed the guy, Got 30 days in jail. Like realy you think some 65 year old man who pushed some 18 year old delivery driver who was getting rude with him really deserved to go spend 30 days in jail, COME ON MANNN

Emcee, so you take this guys story verbatim? Get real!

Krusty and NMG are right. Did I just type that? Yes I did. Jail is no holiday people. Rehabilition is zero. Gangs, fear, if there is a TV you won’t pick the channel. No one wants to be there. I get the punishment thing. They owe society. But there is no upside into turning them into cornered animals. They will come out. Much worse.

Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 @ 4:54 PM by EmceeDusty44

Stop sending people to jail on stupid petty crimes then

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Stop sending non repeat offenders to prison for non violent crimes. Let them make amends by serving their sentence in the community.

He spoke, our system is not ahead of anyone.. We do everything in the world to make sure the criminals aren’t responsible for their actions, blaming parents, upbringing,not making the football team, missing their fav tv show etc. Yet when on the stand at trial their past criminal record aren’t allowed to be mentioned, but they can talk all about history of the victim all they want. There have been countless studies proving that past behaviour is a excellent predictor of future behaviour, many companies hire using thesse techniques. As for courses to enrich their lives.. Waste of time and money, forcing anyone into counselling, enriching programs don’t work except it’s a tool that the criminal can use to say they are making themselves a better person.. That’s why so many criminals find God in jail..looks good on their parole application.

PVal, some of what you say is simplistic nonsense, the rest just plain wrong.
Of course past behavior can be used to predict future behavior, something that has never been the subject of “countless studies” because it’s self-evident. But that’s why they have prison programs: so that they can make alterations in the behaviors of the felons because there are many studies that indicate that these programs actually work. The Canadian corrections system is costly compared to the US system partly because of the programs, but on the other hand, our rate of recidivism is far lower, again partly because of the programs.
There is also evidence that counselling even for inmates who don’t want it, does produce results. The exception to this is in the case of psychopaths, but they are not the majority of prisoners.
Finally, yes, you can under most circumstance’s, bring up the record of the accused (unless it’s a juvenile record)and no, you can’t “talk all about history of the victim all they want” unless there is something germane to the proceedings (see the O’Connor decision for details on the precedents).
The one thing I agree with you about is them “gettin’ God”, which is to be expected given how rudimentary their thinking tends to be. After all, they did get caught and went to jail.

Krusty, spend some time in our court system then maybe you will see what I am talking about. Since my fiances ex constantly has run ins with the law I have spent a lot of time in court and have seen how the criminals are treated and know what I am talking about.

So how do any of these comments address the over crowding issue?

Close the gym and install cots and bars

If its about none violent crimes, then I don’t think jail is an appropriate place for them.

Find a remote place up in the Mackenzie mountains or out on an Island in the North Pacific somewhere and make them learn the life skills to survive by working together and doing their chores to keep the camp up and running. Make them longer sentences for avoiding jail time. Make them work hard every day so they don’t want to go back, but they come out with a sense of accomplishment for achieving something far greater than just time served. If they show attitude, relapse, or show any violent tendency… then things get more difficult and those ones end up in a jail with all the other violent offenders sharing a bunk.

PVal, sorry to hear about your family situation, but your anecdotal observations involving your fiancé’s ex do not represent the entire state of the correctional system.
I kind of agree with Eagleone’s suggestion, which is similar to what one 1st Nation is doing down on the south coast, namely creating and running a work camp where Aboriginal offenders can gain skills and be guided by Elders in their rehabilitation. Seems to be working as the ratio of repeat offenders is dropping. The only issue is the added expense of running a prison on a remote island where escape is impossible, meaning that you can maintain security without walls and bars. If it meant that these folks would stop inflicting grief on the rest of us, as a taxpayer, I’d support the idea.
Keep in mind that a “correctional” system is meant to reform, whereas a punishment system is meant to simply punish because society wants revenge. The major problem with the latter system is that the punishment follows so long after the bad behavior that the individual can no longer make any connection between they did and what was done to them as a consequence. Teaching people skills and giving them something to be proud of is far more effective.

Bring back the chain gang. nobody wants their friends to see them chained on humiliation row. get Them cleaning the ditches and sloughs around town. sure they would need more guards while out but the fear of being recognized might make these “thugs” and “gangsters” think twice before they commit a crime. This will never happen as it is against their civic rights. inmates (or clients as the jails health care workers have to call them) should lose their rights as soon as that gave l swings. but that’s just my opinion

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“Krusty and NMG are right. Did I just type that? Yes I did.”

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I feel like we are on the verge of an epic breakthrough, LOL :)

And you’ll hear it again Krusty and NMG are right!

Punishment is an ancient method of corrections and will never work. crime is part of our social network that our politicians don’t care about all they see is profit and to hell with humanity.
Cheers

Now if I can steer you gently to the right………