Raise tuition and raise taxes!

The one thing we need is educated people… why are there so many cuts to education?

You’re trying to divvy up an increasing ‘insufficiency’, (of money itself, in it’s relationship to the price values of goods and services expressed in money). That’s why there are so many cuts, not only to education but to all manner of other things that we’re more than capable of fully providing ‘physically’, but can’t do so ‘financially’ under the current set-up. Raising taxes or tuition will be found to be no more of a solution than trying to cut costs to the bone, and beyond. Make what’s insufficient in its totality fully sufficient ~ is that so hard? ~ we’re only playing with ‘figures’ that are supposed to be a numerical reflection of the ‘facts’ ~ and it’s those actual ‘facts’ that really matter. In short, make the ‘accounting’, because that’s all money actually is, just accounting, accurately reflect reality. All other attempts to solve these problems by all other methods already tried and failed will be found to be totally useless.

P Val … why would government and business pay for something that they can get for free from somewhere else?

If funding cuts to programs like ‘dental assisting’ and ‘dental hygiene’ were a real issue to northern employers, this conference would be sponsored and led by dentists and dental clinics from across the North and not CUPE. I am not being critical of CUPE for raising the issues; however, the existing professional community is the only group (IMHO) that may have a chance of influencing the current governments funding model.

This is from the UN declaration of human rights that canada signed .

Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Paragraph #1 merit does not equal dollars .

Stalls, well anyone who has a child in elementary school knows there is nothing free.. First day the kids get a list of all the supplies they need.. Some of theses items go for the entire classroom.. So we are buying supplies for the school.. Again due to cuts. Nothing free at all.

Next time try voting something other than Liberal.

CUPE organizers state that our education system “has faced more than a decade of drastic cuts, funding shortfalls and unfunded provincial mandates in universities, colleges and the K-12.”

So, are they saying that CUPE members have faced more than a decade of drastic cuts to their wages, funding shortfalls in their benefits package and unfunded provincial contributions to their pension plan, or are they saying that the cuts are affecting the end user, the students??

And the union haters show up.. Hiya hart guy..lol

Redneck Guy is quick to put it all on CUPE members. But seems very comfortable with BC Hydro taking as much from the education system. Our system is broken plain and simple. The first step to fix it is to ban all corporate and union donations to political parties.

Anotherside: “If funding cuts to programs like ‘dental assisting’ and ‘dental hygiene’ were a real issue to northern employers, this conference would be sponsored and led by dentists and dental clinics from across the North and not CUPE.”
Well, apparently you didn’t attend the forum on March 27th at the college where 20 presentations were made to the board and probably every dental clinic in the city sent someone to speak against the cuts to the dental programs, which are routinely over-capacity.

Hart Guy: “So, are they saying that CUPE members have faced more than a decade of drastic cuts to their wages, funding shortfalls in their benefits package and unfunded provincial contributions to their pension plan, or are they saying that the cuts are affecting the end user, the students??”
CUPE’s wages have not been cut but their numbers most certainly have. This most definitely affects students who are at effect with cuts to services whether it’s the sanitation of the buildings or the time and thoroughness of the staff who performs the intakes of students on an academic level. At the college, this also includes academic advising, who gives students information on which courses or programs to take plus necessary prerequisites, but also disability support services, admissions, and other essential services such as International Education and Aboriginal Resource Centre.

Please folks, pay attention to what’s going on in the educational system in our community. Our viability as a community depends on investment in education, training, and preparing youth for the workforce of the future.

Krusty: If you are going to ‘cut and paste’, then I would suggest you include the most important sentence in my post. In all fairness, you had a 50/50 chance.

The second sentence was:

“I am not being critical of CUPE for raising the issues; however, the existing professional community is the only group (IMHO) that may have a chance of influencing the current governments funding model.”

This government is not going to listen to a union that while perhaps maybe is well intentioned also appears to be protecting their members. (as they should). Do you think the Liberal gov’t is going to give a hoot about CUPE’s point of view?

Now, if the professional dental community were to get organized and bring real heat to the politician’s feet, then perhaps, there might be a different reaction by the government. Just showing up to a public meeting or giving lip service to a union sponsored conference isn’t going to cut it.

This government hates unions.. clark proved that when she was education minister and illegally ripped up the teachers contract.. which cost her millions in fines and court costs….well really it cost us tax payers.

the liberals goal is to make a two tiered education system..the ones who can afford to send their kids to private schools..and then underfunded public schools for the minions.. two tiered health care… two tiered class system..

Funny one there PVal – which of the two tiers is better? The public one that gets more funds or the private one that works with less? Private gets half of the funding per kid and parents pay 3-400 more per month which still works out to less than publis $. So private works with less dollars and no facility grant yet you say the public school system that has more kids to fund them is “underfunded”?

Anotherside: Apparently you didn’t read my second paragraph about the forum on the 27th where the dentists do put pressure on the CNC board. But, yes, I agree that they also need to put pressure on the government.

I think that I hurt P Val’s feeling! How dare I make a negative comment about unions! Shame on me, right P Val!!

Sorry P Val, but it CUPE wants to whine and complain then they should be prepared to hear more than just their point of view!

I have absolutely no problem paying taxes to support our education system, or our healthcare system, or any other necessary department, system or program. However, I take issue with the constant whining for more money when most of the “more money” usually seems to end up as pay, benefits or retirement package improvements for our hallowed overpaid public sector!

CUPE talks about chronic underfunding over the past decade! CUPE has absolutely no interests, none whatsoever in the concerns of the taxpayer. CUPE’S sole purpose is to benefit CUPE members! Ok, so how much have CUPE member’s salaries, benefits and retirement plans increased during the past decade of chronic underfunding? This is a fair and reasonable question, a question that CUPE and its members and supporters would rather we don’t ask!! Right P Val???

F150, it was only in the past week or so that I posted a link to a report on excessive salaries at BC Hydro. Perhaps you missed it! I do agree with your comment that our system is broken plain and simple! Obviously you are unaware that I have been steadfast in my very long held opinion that we are long overdue for a complete review and rationalization of our Government and the services our Government provides. I believe that this must encompass all levels of Government, Federal, Provincial and Municipal and I have consistently stated that this must be done from the very top to the very bottom!!

I want, demand and deserve the very best value from my hard earned and sometimes hard to come by tax dollars! According to P Val, CUPE and the like, that makes me a bad person! I can live with that! It doesn’t hurt my feeling at all, not one tiny little bit!

P Val, maybe if you grew a pair, your feelings might not get hurt so easily! Just a suggestion! ;-)

Not one feeling hurt hart guy :). I knew you would show up shinning about unions as you always do..

Btw every year the liberals have cut approx %2.75 per child they pay the schools.. Damn unions ;)

And whining about unions too ;)

P Val I know the list of charges to k -12 is ever growing fees , etc . It’s not free but knowing that federal , provincial govs . And school boards are breaking international law and The Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 26 by charging money for educating our children . Shame on canada and anyone that has not read them . There are only 30 articles . It takes less than 30 minutes to read . Bill 51 also goes against not only our constitution but also the universal declaration of human rights . We live in a rouge nation . Most don’t even know it .

P Val, I guess if it’s ok for you and your pro-union cohorts to come onto this site to promote your left wing ideology and to condemn anything and everything to do with free enterprise, conservatism, free thinking, drive, initiative and the will to both succeed and prosper, then perhaps it’s ok for me to come on here to counter your rants!

Fair’s fair, right, haha!