I agree with Zimmer.

There is no way that we can “loosen” in any manner the heightened security procedures that have been in place since 911. In addition, the threat of ISIL integrating their terrorist factions into the hundreds of thousands of refugees, must be considered without question.

Security must be heightened, not loosened, and in doing that, there is now way that 25,000 refugees can be admitted by end of 2015.

Keep in mind also the we have a North American security perimeter agreement with the US and if we violate that, the Americans could exercise their right to shut down the freedom of border traffic from Canada.

If the Liberals allow even one ‘refugee” terrorist into Canada, there will be some dire consequences for both the Liberals and Canada.

It sounds to me as though Zimmer lack’s faith in the abilities of those who screen and process refugee’s as they enter Canada. If this is truely his concern, wouldn’t the appropriate argument be to improve this, not limit or delay entry?

Frustrating to see elected officials that are unable to view Nationality/Race/Religion as separate from Terrorism.

Our country is more than capable of assisting refugees once they arrive in Canada, and that is exactly what we should do.

Really Bob, after the fact that Christy is saying some of the refugees could relocate to Fort St. John area – cheaper housing, more job opportunities etc. you should write her a letter or you could contact Christy.
Strange, it is the first time the constituents hear from you in the last 4 years! Where have you been?

Put Lynton Crosbys play book away . We didn’t buy it before October 19th . We’re not going to buy it now .

Maybe Zimmer should just stop talking… Isis will take responsibilty for any terrorist attack to make themselves look stronger than they are.. And it working.. There are many radical cells around the world all with their own agenda and their own twist on what ever religion they follow. There always has been and always will be.

I think as long as there is appropriate screening done by qualified people ( just like is done for any other immigrant coming to Canada) and they meet our requirements then they should be allowed in.

notsofast.. can you honestly say the during Harpers tenure not one terrorist has arrived in Canada.. no you cant.. there have been Canadians born and raised here who have gone to fight for the terrorists, and that was just a few years ago while Harper was at the helm.

Dont change the screening process for these refuges and make sure they have to meet the same requirements and should be no one complaining. But they will and its only because they cant handle that Harper lost..

I’m sure that the residents of Fort St John will not be overly excited, considering they already had a terrorist living among them.
As a true Canadian, I am a bleeding heart, but there comes a time when we have to smart about this.
I do not believe that our government can possibly screen the immigrants well enough to grant the security we need.
I do not believe they are currently screening enough. Perhaps the focus should be spent on investigating and preventing terrorism that currently exists in our country.

” I am also deeply concerned, along with my constituents, about our ability to assist these refugees once they have arrived in Canada.”

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I have to call BS on that. I would imagine that the number of people who really care about assisting these refugees is minimal. Most people are scared shitless at the prospect of having people from the middle east settle in their communities. All they know is what the media feeds them and quite frankly, that’s not a very flattering portrayal.

I believe that most Syrians are not associated with terrorism. I believe that most Muslim are not terroists.

I also believe that a small percentage of less than 1% of the refugees may have the potential of being terroists. That is still 25 refugees who potentially could be. Who is doing the screening.

What should we do with Canadian born, or citizen of Canadians, who has turned to join forces with ISIS. Those women out of Quebec last year. If they come back, what do we do with them. Do we arrest them as terrorists, strip them of the Canadian Citizenship. There should be harsh penalties for these people. I don’t want them back in Canada.

Secure perimeter argument .. The USA is also taking in Syrians, however only about 5,000 and over a year.

It is likely that the Syrians will be coming from countries outside of Syria where they have already been accommodated as asylum seekers – Germany has taken 200,000. They have now gone to the same policy as the other European countries which are not allowing automatic re-unification with others in the family.

I agree that 25,000 in what is left of November and December is extremely ambitious. Unless they already know how and where they will be accommodated that deadline will likely be expanded.

Cruise ships accommodate about 5,000 passengers, for instance. They have been considered for those types of evacuation purposes previously elsewhere in the world.

I would like to know some details before I would consider this more than just ambitious.

BTW, Hannover Stadium in Germany has been evacuated, presumably because of threats. An unfolding story.

This is escalating and it is not a reason to evacuate plans to handle asylum seekers by countries which can accommodate them.

I wonder how many Syrians refugees will live in Ottawa? or in Trudeaus home town.

Everyone – including refugee organizations, are saying too much, too fast. But Justin is starting to sound like Pierre. Once he’s decreed something, no amount of logic will dissuade him. Kind of like the other P.M. we just got rid of. This saddens me because I thought he was more open to ideas other than his own. After Paris, Canadians are unnerved, and their leader could be more sensitive to them and slow the process down so we are assured we are getting people who need our help, and will grow to contribute to our country. No one is going to scream broken promise. I just wish the Conservatives hadn’t of asked him to slow down, because for sure now he can’t do it.

One thing for sure, the media and the opposition parties will pay special attention to these 25,000 people. If just one of them commits, or intends to commit a terrorist act, J.T. will wear it into the next election and become a one term wonder. Because for sure, the bureaucracy that let him in, will say, we didn’t have enough time to screen properly, so yeah, some radicals slipped through.

So if there are 25,000 refugees, and 35 million Canadian. if evenly distributed across the country based on population. It is about 1400 Canadians, and one refugee. So Prince George will have about 53 refugees.

Sure hate to be the refugee that draws, Inuvik.

I think this will be another ambitious plan our new leader is going to be taking back.

Too many, too soon! It’s a simple as that!

Justin pulled a number, 25,000, out of his hat!

Then he pulled a timeline, by years end, out of his butt!

Now he is determined to stick to HIS unrealistic number and HIS unrealistic timeline in order to save face!

Sounds a bit like what a dictator would do, doesn’t it?

So far, Justin scores an F-! Can’t trust Justin!

hart Guy, you should be used to unrealistic numbers..Harper spewed them all the time.

Only 44 days left this year, and not a single refugee processed yet. Now with only 44 days left in the year, 25,000 refugees processed by years end equates to 568 refugees processed per day! That’s assuming that they start to process refugees tomorrow, which is highly unlikely!

568 refugees processed each and every day, including weekends until years end!

Who are the people that we think will be capable of processing 568 refugees per day, every day, INCLUDING WEEKENDS, until year end?

Somehow, I just don’t see our Federal workforce being capable of that much work in that little time! Work weekends? You’ve got to be kidding! 568 per day? You’ve got to be kidding!

Justin’s 25,000 by year’s end? You’ve got to be kidding!

P Val, it’s going to be so much fun listening to you as you keep trying to valiantly (perhaps desperately would be a better word) defend this twit!

You better quit your day job, because you are going to be soooooo busy!

That’s right PVal . I remember a Stevie fantasy . A balanced budget and surplus . Pure fantasy . The last time we had massive refugee effort was before the computer age . Trudeau doesn’t need to save face . Thats the imagration ministers job . He’s more than up for the challenge . The pm has bigger fish to fry at the moment . Five cruise ships could handle the movement the tricky bit is housing when the get here . If they were to us cruise ships they would come with housing in place while they are being processed .

Are we going to stop Belgians from visiting as well? They seem to be rather dangerous. Based on that one event that happened.

I understand that the refugees in question have already gone through the united nations screening, and are subject to the Canadian one prior to coming over.

After the second world war we let in thousands of Germans and Italians that we had fought against, they were our enemy, they killed our soldiers. There was a few Nazi war criminals amongst them. How good was the screening then, and did we have consequences because of it? Not that I’m aware of.

I would rather have these people working here than the TFWs. At least they will be paying taxes here, and spending their money here.

Ireland was in a religious war for decades, the IRA bombed and killed innocent people too. Did we hate all Catholics because of it? Of course not. Did we ban any Irish Catholics to immigrate to Canada? Of course not.

The refugees that will be coming to Canada are not the ones seen recently on tv landing in waves on anything that floats in places like Greece.

As gopg2015 said they will be coming out of refugee camps such as the massive ones in Jordan where they have lived for as long as four years having fled the early days of the Syrian civil war when Assad was dropping bombs and chemical weapons on his own people. Even if you owned a Syrian Pastry Shop and had a house full of fully automatic weapons and spent your evenings increasing magazines capacity it would not do much good against a jet dropping bombs and chemicals.

The people in these camps have been pre-screened by the UN so that should take a lot of the legwork of getting them clearance to enter Canada. Profiles of some of those people shows a well educated and professional group that would be an asset to this country once they get settled.

Military bases across the country can offer housing for about half of the refugees till more permanent places can be found. I do think that rather than having most live in the major metropolitian areas these people should also settle in smaller groups in communities across the country as will help them assimilate to the Canadian way of living.

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” Did we ban any Irish Catholics to immigrate to Canada?” No just the ones with the white collar and a “thing” for kids.

Why don’t we convert all those ships containers into living space for the refugees. There is an entire block in Richmond of these containers.
Cheers

Ataloss, you responded to P Val’s comment by saying that “Trudeau doesn’t need to save face” and also “The pm has bigger fish to fry at the moment”!

That made me laugh, considering that Justin has now arrived in the Philippines for the APEC Summit! While the real Leaders are meeting for serious meetings, I’m sure that Justin will be busy taking more “selfies”!

I heard Justin on the Noon News today, stating with regards to the G20 meeting:

“I have uh, reassured my allies and Canadians that uh, yes we will be doing more!”

He stated “my allies”! Did he mean “our allies”

Sounds a bit narcissistic of him to be speaking of “his” allies, when in fact he, as the leader of our country, should be speaking in terms of “our” allies!

If you think that we had a one man show with Stephen Harper, well you ain’t seen nothing yet!

Trudeau’s an embarrassment, to the nth degree!

RIOTINTO ALCAN used a cruise ship to house their temporary foreign worker while they worked the KMP in kitimat because it was cheaper than doubling the camp or housing in town . Another great advantage would be vetting time while in transit . Big plus for all those nervous nellies .

We can do this. We should do this. Since Zimmer blocked me from his social media sites though, I guess he doesn’t care much about what I think. The feeling is mutual.

Do you know what APAC is HG ? Lucky for the PM he won’t have to look at Tony Abott . Two for two eh Lynton ?

“I would rather have these people working here than the TFWs. At least they will be paying taxes here, and spending their money here.”

This is wrong. Taxation in Canada is based on residency. TFW’s are resident in Canada for tax purposes, so they pay into the CPP, EI, and tax, if they make enough to pay taxes. And yes, likely anything they don’t spend, they send back to their homeland.

Now when TFW’s come in, they are sponsored and are ready to work, and cannot become a burden to the taxpayer – if they can’t work, they’re kicked out, and any bill’s we get, the sponsoring employer must pay.

Refuguees – may or may not be ready to work. Depends on whether they speak English/French well enough, whether they are ill or not, whether they are willing to do menial labour – some of these people were skilled in their country, and might take awhile for them to be willing to pour coffee. Many of them will have mental health issues – how could you not with what they went through.

So comparing TFW’s as some sort of vermin vs refugees – without a doubt, refugees will be sucking on the Canadian teat the second they come into the country. Now hopefully we have enough resources to acclimate them to our way of life, and hopefully they don’t spend a bunch of time in court trying to change our laws to adapt to their way of life.

As for the Germans and Italians we let in after the war – the war was over. They’d lost, they knew they lost, and they had no appetite to keep it going. Any Nazi’s that snuck in, spent all their time hiding who they were. They didn’t strap on suicide vests and blow up innocent civilians. The war fought with the Germans, Italians, the soldiers wore uniforms and fought in plain site, ISIS hides among the population, and does not directly engage you. If they did Russia would’ve wiped them out already.

The war with ISIS is on going, the risk is real that ISIS will implant agents into the refugee camps, and it is a real risk some of them will end up here. And when you hear the horror stories of Canada Border Services on just regular day to day duties, expecting them to process 500 plus people a day – seems unrealistic.

Think how angry you get when a parolee goes on a rampage – a parolee vetted by a parole board, analyzed and treated by professionals, been observed for years, and still, they get it wrong. Now how are you going to feel if someone blows himself up after a Canucks game, because J.E.T. was in a big hurry to keep a promise.

Ataloss, why on earth would you be asking me if I know what APAC is? Who cares??

Justin is attending the APEC Summit!

APEC Summit Ataloss! APEC, NOT APAC!!

Ataloss, do you know what APEC is, haha!

No HG ! Please tell us what you know of it . Why is our PM having such a long meeting with the POTUS ?

Fear is what it is all about and lack of information. This was J.T. that made the promise to bring in all 25,000 refugees before the end of the year and after what just happened in Paris , he better address Canadians fear. I think Jobs will be a issue , they keep saying there is lots of Jobs here in the North , maybe they should let us know where. Maybe the southern part of the province would be a good place to send people , they have the orchards and you could speak any language in the fields.

The HUGE difference I have over you hartguy when it comes to harper/trudeau is I have proof of all the stupid things harper did.. you are just making stuff up.. but then again before the election in which your boy LOST I constantly used facts and figures that where true and you didnt have anything to say. I have over 10 years of stupidity to pull from and you have 3 weeks ;)

Why is Justin having such a long meeting with Obama?

Hmmm, let’s see! Perhaps it’s taking Obama longer that he thought that it would take to get Justin to understand that if Justin wants to be taken seriously, then perhaps Justin needs to understand that Justin needs to start acting seriously!

Grow up, be mature, stop with the “selfies” crap because as you said Ataloss, Justin has bigger fish to fry!

Justin made a feeble attempt at earning a living as a half-baked drama teacher! “Acting” is obviously in his blood, but it not something that we need in a PM! We need actions, not acting! We need someone that can seriously understand what the job entails. It’s too bad that so many were fooled by the acting of a drama teacher!

Gonna be a long 4 years!

P Val and Ataloss, for you from the Washington Examiner:

The free world has lost its leader. In the absence of a vigorous American foreign policy, Canada’s Stephen Harper supplied his own. For the better part of a decade, he energetically championed Western interests. He was serious about fighting terrorism, keen on free trade and prepared to deploy proportionate force in defense of freedom.

His defeat in last week’s Canadian general election will be felt far beyond that sparse, chilly country. When other Western leaders fretted about Israel’s 2006 Lebanon war, he gave his full backing to the Jewish state. When others dithered over Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, he led international condemnation. Obliged to meet Vladimir Putin at a summit meeting, he was admirably curt: “I guess I’ll shake your hand, but I have only one thing to say to you: Get out of Ukraine.”

ht tp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-free-world-has-lost-its-leader/article/2574696#.Vi4PBSoMLzE.

We had a leader! Now we have Justin!

Just shows how desperate you are HG when you use anything from the Washington Examiner..

“, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau delivered a blunt message during a brief chat with Russian President Vladimir Putin: back off Ukraine. We remain committed to the fact that Russia’s interference in Ukraine must cease; that we stand with the Ukrainian people and expect the president to engage fully in the Minsk peace process,” he said.

Oh oh… just like Harper did.. now what HG..funny thing is harper may have said it..but Russia is still in the Ukraine.. so Harpers comment meant nothing as Harper did nothing but flap his gums..again.

Election’s over guys. Can we stop the leader swinging contest?

I agree axman… time to move on.

P Val. Your prejudice against Harper is showing again. The proof you refer to is your interpretation of truth. Personally I don’t agree with much of what you say, or think, primarily because you suffer from an extreme case of tunnel vision, and seem unable to think outside the box.

Anyone with half a brain and a butt would know that Trudeau made the so called commitment of bringing in 25000 refugee’s by the end of the year during an election campaign. Had he lost the election that commitment would have disappeared into thin air. The fact that he won the election it now causes him some problems.

Trudeau should be man enough to reduce the number of refugee’s and extend the time line to get them here. That would be the mature thing to do.

If he continues to try and get it all done by years end, he will confirm what many people think, and that is, that he is a fool,.

Lets see how this unfolds.

Palopu.. enjoy the lovely day outside :)

I am willing to give Trudeau some time to settle in and get his bearings as PM before passing judgment and not just because I am still happy that Mulcair was booted down to third party status.

The liberals ran the best election campaign by far and who would have thought a positive one could get a party elected in this day in age. What he has done since taking the oath is follow through on promises made during the campaign, again a rarity as in many elections the promises made are forgotten as soon as the last ballot is counted.

The deadline for the refugees entering Canada could easily be extended past year end maybe have them chosen and in the pipeline by year end but only come here once everything checks out.
BTW ski51 I think you will find that the work done to clear people will be done by embassy staff overseas and not by the guy who stamps your passport as you get off the plane although I am sure I have been in lineups at Pearson with 25000 in front of me:)

If I remember the numbers correctly I read that Canada has 6 planes in the middle east of which only 4 are flying at any one time so it would be no big loss if they returned home.

The wild card here is if France invokes Article 5 of the NATO charter, then some of the decisions on how this country partipates will be decided at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

One scary thing I did see today that the French are going to issue it’s citizens nerve gas antidote in case there are attacks of agents like sarin gas.

I wonder if the mother of the Ottawa terrorist last year still works as a screener for immigration Canada. If she couldn’t spot the terrorist in her own family,then one has to wonder….

I like the idea of using cruise ships so they have time to be vetted by multiple screeners and some time to be oriented to Canadian social standards. Things like courses on western views of proper behaviours around women.

my2bits: “I understand that the refugees in question have already gone through the united nations screening, and are subject to the Canadian one prior to coming over.”

You are 100% correct! It does not take a lot of time to screen and approve a family of 4, 5 or 6 members and that would count as one effort!A lot of these refugees are families! They are living in camps, some of their children have been born in the camps. They have been waiting for a very long time to find a new country to live in!

If Harper had not blocked their acceptance for such a long time Canada would have admitted a large number of them already!

STOP blaming Trudeau!

Usually with immigration one can be approved while overseas, but the screener at the airport can still turn them away on any suspicions, so technically they are screeners as well.

Also as it pertains to the planes… Much much cheaper for Canada to send trainers then costly planes dropping million dollar bombs. Less collateral damage as well.

Also better intelligence so better policy when operating from the ground level rather than 30,000 feet up. In a quagmire like the Middle East having some intelligence on the ground to sort out all the lies can be helpful.

“The deadline for the refugees entering Canada could easily be extended past year end maybe have them chosen and in the pipeline by year end but only come here once everything checks out.”

Apparently (according to the CBC) all the directives (marching orders) to the various Liberal ministers have been posted (full text) on the website. The one concerning 25,000 refugees allows for months to achieve the goal! Not 8 weeks, but months! Notice the PLURAL! This is the first time that this has been done in the new spirit of openness!

Look it up for yourself! I am OUT of this thread, which has far too many resentful posts by those who do not want to accept the outcome of the last election! Go ahead, make yourself miserable for the next four years!

P Val, you posted the following about what Justin said he said to Putin:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau delivered a blunt message during a brief chat with Russian President Vladimir Putin: back off Ukraine. We remain committed to the fact that Russia’s interference in Ukraine must cease; that we stand with the Ukrainian people and expect the president to engage fully in the Minsk peace process,” he said.

Ok, so Justin tells us that this is what he told Putin, but in actuality what did he really say to Putin??

Easy to tell us how tough he was, without any proof of how tough he was, haha!

But P Val, you keep on believing Justin! As for me, I don’t trust Justin!

Prince George. It was the Liberal loving, ndp hugging people who made themselves miserable for the past four years, why would you not want those who supported the Conservatives to do the same??

In any event the Conservative supporters do not have to do or say anything, because the Liberals under Trudeau will shoot themselves in the foot over, and over, and over, until there is nothing left but a stump.

C-51 Anyone???

PrinceGeorge, you state:

“Apparently (according to the CBC) all the directives (marching orders) to the various Liberal ministers have been posted (full text) on the website. The one concerning 25,000 refugees allows for months to achieve the goal! Not 8 weeks, but months! Notice the PLURAL! This is the first time that this has been done in the new spirit of openness!”

So, tell us, why is Justin still pushing for 25,000 by year’s end? In spite of calls from quite literally thousand upon thousands of Canadians to slow down the process, especially in light of the recent attacks in Paris, Justin has yet to alter this 25,000 by year end stance!

Many of us are not opposed to the bringing in of legitimate refugees! All that we ask is that the pace of the process be reduced so that they can be properly vetted! Are we asking for too much?

I find it rather hard to believe that the Government of Canada would rather risk letting terrorists into the country, than to modify an existing plan based on recent events and detailed briefings from experts on these types of issues.

And yes, the mandate letter says:

“Lead government-wide efforts to resettle 25,000 refugees from Syria in the coming months”

It makes no mention of December 31st.

Interesting that while so many are calling on Justin to “slow down”, former Liberal Cabinet Minister Ujjal Dosanjh offers his opinion regarding Justin’s recent actions and decisions:

“Justin Trudeau wrong to end ISIS combat mission, Ujjal Dosanjh says

Prime minister sending wrong message to allies after Paris attacks, former Liberal minister says.

“I hate war but I hate ISIS more,” Ujjal Dosanjh said in an interview Tuesday with Andrew Nichols on CBC News Network. “What message are we sending to people across the world? That Canada is willing to walk away from the actual war to bring about peace? If that’s the message, I think it’s the wrong message for Canada.”

This, from a well respected former Liberal Cabinet Minister!

ht tp://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-wrong-fighter-jets-isis-1.3322713

Trudeau has done great job so far, gave the cbc 150 million dollars for god knows why, got the pipeline cancelled, spent lord knows how much money on Sussix Drive, ruined our BC aerospace industry, 25000 refugees will not cost us anything, however dealing with a 1000 or so terrorist will be great business for our funeral homes. And dumb Harper did not even take all the pension money he had coming to him, how he avoided a great depression is beyond me.

Hart Guy, have the bombing efforts to date been successful in stopping ISIS?

NMG, I’m not sure, although I hope that they have had an impact!

What I do know for sure is that doing nothing will definitely not be successful in stopping isis!

I love how these people try and cloak their cowardice, bigotry and xenophobia into concern for safety. I can’t believe these people get paid what they do to “lead” us.

NMG, I’m not sure, although I hope that they have had an impact!

What I do know for sure is that doing nothing will definitely not be successful in stopping isis!

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I agree there, we definitely have to do something. I’m just not sure that what we’re doing right now will get it done. I’m not even sure if doing more of what we’re doing now will get it done.

Sadly, ISIS wants us to bomb them. The more we bomb them, the more nut bars they can attract. It feeds directly into their recruiting efforts.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s looking more and more like it’s going the way of even more force than what is currently happening. Let’s hope the powers that be know what they are doing and that they aren’t just reacting out of vengeance. I think there is a serious risk of making this situation far worse than what it currently is, as sad as that is.

NMG, I agree!

Sadly there are no easy answers to this entire conflict!

This even applies to the refugees! I believe that the vast majority of Canadians want to help, but how on earth to we help in an expedient manner, while at the same time doing proper security screening? And we MUST do proper security screening, even if it unfortunately slows down the process!

They will do the necessary screening and then they enter Canada. Whatever the number will be by Jan 2016 it doesn’t matter.
Unlikely they will achieve 25000 by January but it doesn’t matter Its whatever number can be accomplished and screened properly by that time. It will probably be 10 – 15 thousand by that time.

So Zimmer you will get your wish, less than 25000, I’m pretty sure of that.

Zimmer’s request is irrelevant and he should do his homework and think before asking the government to reconsider.
What is to reconsider?

This is what we voted for in Peace River – Prince George?
What an embarrassment.

Oh don’t worry, Justin is arranging to life the ban on Mexican’s visa requirements to enter Canada, so he’ll get his 25k unemployable immigrants one way or another. Even the most diehard Liberal voters are starting to disown their king, after a couple short weeks.

If the Government can bring in 25000 refuges in a proper screened process , by year end, what is Zimmer Requesting exactly?

Does anyone have a problem with the process ensuring the well being of the people within Canada?

Is the concern safety of the process or safety from the refugees?

From the many comments of this board I get the feeling most don’t want a lot of refugees settling in our communities regardless of safety.

unemployment rate plummeting and we want to bring in more unemployed people? if they are fluent in the English language and have a good comprehension of the English language ok. if not no, stay on your side of the ocean. we do not need more unskilled, welfare recipients.

The terrorists in France have Syrian connections. There has just been an antiterrorist operation in Paris and one of them blew herself up, a women.

Looks like these terrorists have been operating in Paris and moving around Europe. An operation like theirs is hard to hide so just how many Muslims new something and never said a thing? The Muslim community has to stand up more against terrorism if they want to be looked at with out suspicion.

Trudeau if you rush the intake and something happens sourced from these people the blood will be on your hands just for some stupid political agenda.

Zimmer has got it right.

JoeyT bobbz is just pandering to his base and hedging his bets so if the slightest thing goes wrong he can say I told you so . Also the French have confirmed that the Syrian passport found in Paris was a fake . Speaking of bad passports . One of Stevie’s going away presents for us was screwing up the Canadian passport system . Which now must be fixed by people that know what they are doing .