Our process oriented concern is that the University Act is being flouted to rush the appointment of individuals friendly to the Liberal government,” added Robinson. ……. From day one you could smell Christy all over this appointment . What a stench !

My, what an amazing sense of entitlement these people have. They didn’t get their way so they’re throwing a tantrum is basically what it boils down to.

It should make for some entertaining, yet uncomfortable ceremonies, when 7 out of 10 students won’t shake the chancellor’s hand.

He has no impact on their education, or day to day lives. Maybe someone should tell the entitled university kids, that this is how the real world works. You see, I can’t stand the Liberals, or Trudeau, but I have to wake up every day and deal with it. Suck it up, graduate, get a job.

Hey LeroyJenkins, “Entitled University Kids”? What the hell do you know. What about the young adults, such as my daughter work and go to UNBC and pays her own way? Entitled? What about hard working, dedicated, focused AND most importantly, wanting to have their voices heard when they know something isn’t right, such as this appointment of Mr Moore?

James Moore is in, end of story.

Leroy the liberals mentioned in this article have nothing to do with the federal liberals . The bc liberal party is liberal in name only ( #LINO ) . They are in fact the reminants of the socreds and reform party . They should not be allowed to call themselves liberals , it’s disingenuous to do so .

What about hard working, dedicated, focused AND most importantly, wanting to have their voices heard when they know something isn’t right, such as this appointment of Mr Moore?

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They know it isn’t “right”? What the hell makes them so special that they think they can tell the rest of us what is right or not? They didn’t get their way and like petulant little children they are throwing a hissy fit.

There are lots of things in this world worth standing up for, this is not one of them. Moore’s appointment is not going to affect anyone’s education.

Hey Axman. “Petulant little children”? Don’t be an ignorant jerk. And by jerk, I mean a$$hole

What would Socrates do ? Retorical, does unbc have a philosophy department ? If so , why ?

So let me get this straight. If you are a conservative, your out. Universities have become the bastions of censorship across the country when they should be the breeding ground of free ideas. Most of the people who founded UNBC and established the bursary foundation where Conservative. That’s how it got built. Do you think the likes of Todd Whitcoomb could have done it. Would they even have tried? They just reap the benefits after the fact and go about turning the university population
into narrow minded, left leaning, sanctimonious elitists.

Our company sent a lot of dollars up there before they even broke ground and I was there.

Feel sorry for any future UNBC graduate.

That goes on to be successful in life.

Gets involved in politics along the way.

Then one day the board of governors for UNBC.

Decide to select you for Chancellor.

The faculty of the day did not like your politics.

Then you have put up with teapot tempest.

Me thinks the faculty have to much time on their hands.

Time to move forward, or leave.

Funny thing, I don’t recall any of the unbc students or faculty commenting on this issue on 250 news. It seems to be mostly town citizens that have no vested interest as a student or faculty would.

So, why such vehemence if you have no vested interest?

Curiouser and curiouser

Taxpayers ….. Loki

Heaven forbid that Canfor, or Husky Oil or another large corporate entity represented in Prince George name a new person to their Board of Directors, someone who the Union or the local employees disagree with!

Just imagine the local outrage, protests in the street, town hall style meetings with the new Board Member being burned in effigy!

Or, more than likely, workers doing what they normally do, going to work each day and collecting a paycheque!

Doing what they normally do, except when the workers are our highly educated and esteemed educators up on the hill!

How exactly will this appointment affect any of them, even in the slightest? Time spent teaching would be time better spent than this incessant whining!

Much ado about NOTHING!

“Most of the people who founded UNBC and established the bursary foundation where (sic) Conservative.”

It was a community initiative, not just right wingers. many centre and left wingers took part as well.

I would ask, though, if it is “much ado about nothing” as Hart Guy says, why the rightists are so insistent that he must remain as Chancellor. If his being Chancellor is “NOTHING”, why make such a to do about keeping it. Just appoint someone else and the issue will die as nothings tend to do?

Posted on Wednesday, February 3, 2016 @ 12:55 PM by Vikingnuck with a score of -10

Hey Axman. “Petulant little children”? Don’t be an ignorant jerk. And by jerk, I mean a$$hole

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I can see where your daughter gets her bullying mentality from.

It’s 4:20…PP……….

Dow7501 you nailed it.

Notice how UNBC seems to be a remake of pleasantville.

Can’t say I could recommend anyone attending the serfdom up the hill right now, all ye who enter these doors please check your free thought and ideas at the door when entering the Borg.

Should have been an appointment by the NDP I suppose.

When will the Canfor room be renamed to Unicorn room?

Yeah Seamutt…. the water is poisoned at Canadian Universities. Hey Seamutt, Trudeau and Notley mentioned climate change today….are you near any sharp objects ? Hey Seamutt….what are you doing in Canada ? Thought for sure you would be down south helping Cruz or Trump on the campaign trail.

Is James Moore right for this ceremonial but highly symbolic position?

The answer has nothing to do with entitlement of students or faculty. They have a stake in this, as do we all as citizens and taxpayers.
The parallel to Canfor or Husky naming an unpopular director is weak; only shareholders and to a lesser extent employees are directly affected in that case. At the uni we all have a stake.

And saying “James Moore is in, end of story.” doesn’t make it so. This story has some legs. Convocation might be interesting.

My take on this is that as a polarizing, former front-bench politician in a government that made decisions based more on ideology than data, and in fact was anti information, Moore does not well represent the ideals of an institution of learning and is probably a poor choice for the position, and this is going to hurt the university if he doesn’t step away.

CL

Seems to me that the faculty has carried this issue to far, and are now the ones that want to sensor free selection or free speech.

I notice in the picture where they are all holding up signs, that unlike hard working union types, these guys hold up signs while sitting on chairs. Hmmmmm Perhaps they are just lazy.

In any event the decision has been made, and if the lefties want to continue the fight they may very well find themselves looking for funding from their lefty friends. I sincerely doubt that any lefties have made any meaningful contribution to this University, and if anything they have bled it dry with their demands for high wages, and benefits.

Make no mistake. This University is in financial difficulty and needs all the help it can get. Somehow I cant see any help coming from the left.

Hart Guy wrote: “….incessant whining…”

And, of course, you would not be whining, would you be?

Too bad your only constituency you have for doing the whining on the other side is some anonymous people on sites such as this.

Why don’t you attach yourself to a public group that can do whining on the other side … oh, I suppose you would actually determine that to be “supporting” rather than whining.

POV …. that is all it is. Different POV. Nice that we have those and are allowed to have them. Why create battles around them?

How far is this constant battling going to go one of these days? Are we going to end up having ISIS-like reactions for this petty chit? If this society does not cool it a bit and discuss alternate viewpoints in a civil way, we could end up that way.

Digitus having a tantrum. I guess facts upset his/her narrow ideology.

Facts seamutt ? Tell me again how the world hasn’t warmed for 85 years.
I’m amazed you can spell “facts”

Palopu wrote: “Somehow I cant see any help coming from the left.”

You are travelling down a path which is one we do not need to travel down and most people probably do not want to travel down. You are on the path to create Universities as being political entities as in right versus left, socialists, communists, democrats, whatever.

First of all, Universities are funded by the federal and provincial taxpayers as well as research organizations which in turn are funded in that fashion. Then, of course, they are funded by about 25% by those who attend the institutions. On top of that, in Canada, they are funded by the low wages/stipends received by doctoral and post doctoral researchers compared to those with the same backgrounds being employed by private as well as public industries who pay 2, 3, and 4 times the amount of dollars received by those who continue to research at low remuneration.

Second, where do you get the notion that the right provided more funds to universities than the left?

In small town Prince George this is an issue. In the big scheme of things it doesn’t mean as gopg2015 said **chit**

Small things amuse small minds. Lets get on with the business of living and let this issue die a natural death.

According to the local news Chancellor’s are political appointments only in British Columbia and Alberta.

Looking forward to Ezra Levant doing a show on this, interviewing the lefties behind this blatant attack on a UNBC grad. who did well.

Goog2015 did you miss the part that the faculty and students are upset that Moore was a conservative, that is their so called non politacal issue !

How is this “Scandal” still going on? If I don’t like someone on the board of directors for my work, I just shut up and continue working, If I let every person bother me nothing would get done. People just need to learn what the word No means, I thought they teach English up there? Guess not.

The most recent information I have about the official position of the UNBC students is that coming from the survey NUGSS did and made public on January 27, 2016 by the local media. There was a survey done which indicated that 70% were opposed to the Moore selection.
Can you please point me to a credible source, whether a society, a union, a trusted spokesperson for the general student population, etc. which indicates “… that the faculty and students are upset that Moore was a conservative.”

In general, university students who have learned some of the basic principles which they ought to bring forward to their future endeavors do not oppose people based on their religion, colour, gender, political affiliation, etc. In other words, they do not oppose categories whatever they may be. They support or oppose ideas, especially ideas which potentially or actually influence such things as social structure.

The following quote was provided by a media outlet:
“This is not a fight between Liberal, NDP members, Conservatives. It’s people fighting for the values of this university — values this individual and the party he served spent a great deal of time attacking and undermining,” said Michael Murphy, a political science professor and university senator.

For you to characterize that the faculty and students are upset because Moore is a conservative is disengenuous.

Digitus, you are off topic, see ya Friday.

gopg2015. Most University funding for research etc; comes from business. Most business in Canada is owned and operated by the right wing. Left wing (successful) business’s are as scarce as hens teeth.

As an example we did not have this controversy when they selected Iona Campagnolo, or Peter Bentley to be Chancellors.

You might also think about the names attached to the Salvation Army Building, Cancer Lodge, CN Centre, and just recently the Coliseum, to give you some indication as to who makes major contributions.

Perhaps you could give us some examples of contributions from the left.

Gus, you clearly haven’t been following the blatant bigotry that breeds in todays universities. Pro Israel speakers banned, pro life groups banned, on and on. If you really think that these universities are a learning nirvana driven by fairness and tolerance, well, your a lost cause. Further more, Moore was a conservative cabinet minister in a Conservative government that didn’t worship the climate religion among other things. It doesn’t take a mental giant see the connection between that government and these students and some faculty. Do you think saying that isn’t the case will fly? Is every one stupid in your eyes?

“Digitus, you are off topic see ya Frday”

seamutt, aren’t we talking about your hatred of the educated, educators and educational institutions ?

So the real issues are
1. Banning of pro Israel speakers
2. Banning pro life groups
3. On and on.

If the first two are the real issues, then as far as I am concerned they should not be banned. Neither should those having opposite points of view on those and similar matters. That is against the principles of a university as one of the places which should promote free speech BUT NOT hate speech, no matter what the POV is.

That does not deal with the topic at hand.

BUT, we could ask the question then whether an avowed pro lifer or avowed anti Israel individual should be nominated as a University Chancellor. I say no. What purpose would it serve other than to divide an organization which does not need such complications.

A discussion about issues at a university is one things, appointing someone who is known to have been part of a group who are trying to control Universities against the Acts which are currently in place is a totally different matter.

ammonra, why are the lefties so insistent that he must not remain as Chancellor?

ammonra, you asked: “If his being Chancellor is “NOTHING”, why make such a to do about keeping it. Just appoint someone else and the issue will die as nothings tend to do?”

Why make such a to do about not keeping this appointment? Why should they appoint someone else?

As you said, the issue will die, as nothings tend to do, haha!

canislupus, you state: “The parallel to Canfor or Husky naming an unpopular director is weak; only shareholders and to a lesser extent employees are directly affected in that case. At the uni we all have a stake.”

Tell me, how do you have a stake?

I’m a taxpayer, my taxes help support the uni! Do I not have a stake? Do all taxpayers not have a stake in the uni?

As a taxpayer and along with other taxpayers, supporting the uni with our tax dollars, I expect the staff at the uni to do their job. That’s it! I expect them to leave their personal biases at the door and do their job in a manner that is not seen as nothing more than indoctrinating their students with their own personal ideology! I know, I know, I’m a dreamer!

gopg2015, I suggest that you take a moment and read dow7501’s comment at 8:19 p.m. again! I couldn’t agree with him more!

gopg2015, you stated: “In general, university students who have learned some of the basic principles which they ought to bring forward to their future endeavors do not oppose people based on their religion, colour, gender, political affiliation, etc. In other words, they do not oppose categories whatever they may be. They support or oppose ideas, especially ideas which potentially or actually influence such things as social structure.”

And you know all of this how??

They support or oppose ideas? Actually, they are following that mantra that each of us has the right to our own opinions, so long as our opinions align with theirs!

Back when I went for my post secondary education, debates within groups were healthy and boisterous affairs. Today, I suspect that debates might be more of “I agree” and “yes I agree” and of course “I agree as well” instead of “yes, but what about this instead of that?”

gopg2015, you will note that I am stating that “I suspect” that this is the way that things are! Unlike you, I offer an opinion, instead of facts that are not always the facts!

Gus, you miss my point completely. I’m not saying pro lifers should be chancellors or any fringe nutbars. Moore is a UNBC grad, an ex cabinet minister and part of a government that governed this country for 9 years.I was trying to burst your bubble that Universities are bastions of unadulterated learning. They have become politically correct, intolerant breeding ground of left leaning activists. We are seeing this in spades with this embarrassing witch hunt of Moore.

The anti Moore crowd claims they weren’t consulted. I’d like to know if they were consulted on previous appointments. I’m guessing no. If I’m right, than this is pure intolerant politics.

gopg2015, I managed to get my hands on an audio recording of a debate that took place up at the uni, a debate where all were invited to support or oppose ideas. I can’t play the recording here, so I will just type some of it for you:

Student B – I agree with what Student A said!

Student C – No, I agree with what Student A said!

Prof – I think that we should all agree that both Student B and Student C agree with what Student A said! Do you all agree?

Student D – Well, I agree more with Student A than the rest of you agree with Student a!

Student E – No you don’t Student D! I agree with Student A the most, more than any of you agree with Student A. Professor, wouldn’t you agree?

Student A – I agree that all of you agree with me! Anyone disagree? Didn’t think so!

gopg2015, sorry, haha! That wasn’t the actual dialogue as I didn’t actually get my hands on a recording! Just fooling with you! Thought it might help to ease the tensions over this Moore issue!

Wouldn’t you agree! ;-)

“Gus, you miss my point completely”

Since you are the one who made a point, only you can judge whether I missed it or not.

The question then becomes, why do you think I missed your point.

You sent a communication. I read it.

Is it my fault I did not get the point? Or is it your fault because you did not make your point very well.

I think Hart Guy understands the dialogue quite well.

I do agree with your sense of humour, Hart Guy. ;-)

So gopg2015 if I walk through the uni wearing a t shirt saying skeptic, all I will get is smiles, ya right what dream world do you live in?

Dow the indocrination starts in kindergarten.

I think too many people are focused on the personality aspect of all of this and I just don’t see it at all that way.

I see this as an issue of a broken process. Universities are supposed to be sovereign entities and the position of figurehead should be one of collaboration between all stakeholders; which in this case includes the faculty, senate, and students.

The BC liberals changed the board appointment process to one of a political appointment… the political board went solo using their authority to impose the appointment, and those that weren’t consulted on the choice and don’t agree with this choice find themselves ignored.

This issue will likely grow in the months ahead as the movement to separate politics from the university governance grows. I wouldn’t be surprised to see changes made to the political appointment process for the board of governors come out of this.

In a democracy some things form the foundation, including:
– a private ballot
– an educated public
– a free enterprise market place
– rule of law
– equality before the law
– independent universities able to separate political agenda’s from science and free and open debate.

This issue goes to the heart of the philosophy of a functioning democracy. As such I can only see the conflagration around this issue growing.

These righties are amazing to me . It’s okay for Christy to appoint university leadership . Hmmm . By the same token I guess it’s intirely appropriate for the central committee in China to appoint all of their priests and other religious leaders . They also have to approve their school leadership at every level . Christy has learnt a great deal from those dozens of visits to China .

Well said eagle . Democracy used to be a thing worth protecting in canada . 11 years of cons undermining of our democracy has damaged our institutions but not as much as the brains of the righties .