It was 65.9 here in Ottawa a couple of days ago. I had to do a double take to make sure I wasn’t seeing things, LOL. Back up to the mid 70s now.

72.9-6.67=66.23, the true cost after subtracting the carbon scam.

58.9 in Edmonton and 1.23 a gallon in Texas. We are still being gouged in BC. Good thing for Costco gas or we would be paying more.

Its fuel taxes that are gouging us.

NMG, if you Easterners would stop importing Saudi and Venezuelan oil ay world prices and instead allow us to build a pipeline to ship you Western Canadian oil, you must even get lower prices, AND you would be helping the Western Canadian economy, you know, the one that sends equalization payments your way! ;-)

Give Justin and Denis Coderre a call! Let us know what they have to say about that, ok?

Hart guy.. Any pipeline, east west or south will not lower the price.. Can’t believe you actually think that.. Makes way more sense now why you love Harper. How clueless..lol

P Val, wouldn’t it make more sense to supply Canadian refineries with Canadian Crude?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to purchase Canadian crude for Canadian refineries with dollars that stay in Canada, instead of purchasing foreign oil and sending our dollars out of country?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to support a major Canadian industry so that it can continue to provide for family supporting Canadian jobs?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to support Canadian jobs that provide good incomes that are in turn taxed to provide taxes for Government which in turn provides the services that “we” demand?

Or, should we just keep on supporting Venezuela and the Middle East?

I guess that the clueless people that think that we should, are probably the same clueless people that support Justin!

People like you P Val, haha!

It would have made sense to ask Stevie those questions when he had the power.

By the way P Val, the elections over and as you say Harper lost!

So, now and for the balance of this term, we get to hold your idiot Justin to task for being the complete moron that he is!

His accomplishments(?) so far?

– Abolish the First Nations Transparency Act, an Act that finally allowed taxpayers AND the average First Nations member to see where their money is being spent!

– Give tons and tons of money to Foreign Countries as part of his promised infrastructure spending. Funny how most of us thought that he meant infrastructure spending IN Canada!

– Completely blow his unrealistic refugee immigration promises

– Get relegated to the kiddies table at meetings with Foreign Government representatives, if he even gets an invite in the first place

– Accept Union Donations and then move to roll back responsible legislation put in place to finally get some control over the extremely unrealistic sick day provisions that exist in our Federal Public Sector compensation packages

The list goes on and on! So far, it doesn’t seem like Justin has done this country any good! I suspect that things will only be getting worse with this clown!

Hang on to your wallets, can’t trust Justin!

Hart guy.. Wouldn’t this and wouldn’t that,.. Blah blah blah.

Wouldn’t it be better to process all raw logs in Canada.. Duh..yes
Wouldn’t it be better to build refineries in Canada ..duh yeah
Wouldn’t it be better to not use the US dollar as a reference point for ours.. Duh. Yeah
Wouldn’t it be great if Harper didn’t silence the scientists over global warming..duh yeah
Wouldn’t it be great if Harper didn’t add over 160 billion to our national debt..duh yeah

Wouldn’t it be great if all the Harper lovers weren’t just plain DUH.. Um. Yeah

As as a con you can’t stick to the topic.. To easy to make cons look stupid so they must always deflect..

Trudeau is spending 8.4 billion on indigenous Canadians… $248 a yr per Canadian
4 billion on homeless in Canada $115 per yr per Canadian
3.64 billion on our vets ( yes the ones Harper abandoned) $104 per
1.2 billion over 6 yrs for the refugees.. Or $6 per Canadian per yr..

Not to bad ..me thinks.. But since cons don’t think… Just look at the facts.. Not your usual spewing of nothing :)

Why don’t you guys just exchange emails and get it over with already. So sick and tired of trying to follow a subjects debate and then you two clowns hijack it and rant and rave at each other like a couple of school children. F’n idiots.

“Wouldn’t it be better to process all raw logs in Canada.. Duh..yes” ~ Except there’s no foreign market we can demand take all the lumber. And that’s a lot more than we can use ourselves.

“Wouldn’t it be better to build refineries in Canada ..duh yeah” ~ Except by the time anyone who tried complied with all the current regulations governing refineries the prices of any products coming out of them would be way more than they already are. Who’d buy them?

“Wouldn’t it be better to not use the US dollar as a reference point for ours.. Duh. Yeah” ~ Every country uses the US dollar as a reference point to their own currency. Like it or not, it’s the world reserve currency.

“Wouldn’t it be great if Harper didn’t silence the scientists over global warming..duh yeah” ~ So any ‘scientist’ who writes a fictional book about a future world with deleterious effects from global warming can claim he’s got credibility to help sell his book because he’s a ‘scientist’ employed by the Canadian government? Suppose some other ‘scientist’ wrote a fictional book that the people we now call First Nations weren’t here first after all, that there’s evidence that other people that resembled modern day Europeans were here before them? Could he make out he should be believed because he was a ‘scientist’ employed by the Canadian government?

“Wouldn’t it be great if Harper didn’t add over 160 billion to our national debt..duh yeah” ~ Sure, but if he hadn’t a lot of Canadians would be a lot further in debt personally than they already are, and a lot more would have gone bankrupt and lost everything.

“Wouldn’t it be great if all the Harper lovers weren’t just plain DUH.. Um. Yeah” ~ Duh, er, and um, seem to be our new leaders favorite words. He can’t seem to say anything publicly that’s more than one sentence long without using them.

Gee Bent, sorry to upset you so much!

So, how low do you think gas prices will go, not considering any effect from a carbon tax that Justin may or may not impose?

How low do you think they will go, with our economy in the toilet and nobody able to afford a car anymore!

How low do you think they will go and why?

Cheers!

NMG, if you Easterners would stop importing Saudi and Venezuelan oil ay world prices and instead allow us to build a pipeline to ship you Western Canadian oil, you must even get lower prices, AND you would be helping the Western Canadian economy, you know, the one that sends equalization payments your way! ;-)

Give Justin and Denis Coderre a call! Let us know what they have to say about that, ok?

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For what it’s worth, I don’t have an issue with the energy east proposal (assuming it is done responsibly of course) and the existing pipeline is reasonably close to my house. I think it would be very beneficial for us to have more integration in our domestic energy industry and to stop being so reliant on a region of the world filled with constant turmoil. Heck, I’d even be willing to pay more at the pumps if it resulted in a more sustainable economy here and in Western Canada. No issue with that at all, we’re all in this together, or at least we should be.

There’s only one condition. If we built it, we also have to build another pipeline going west so that you guys can get good french fries, poutine and maple syrup. You are sorely lacking that :)

I find that this article at the G&M is a good summary of the Canadian refining capacity as well as the upgrader capacity in Alberta

theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/oil-patch-faces-a-refining-moment/article25965077

Seems that those people in a position to effect change are in favour of refining in Canada before exporting the oil and most certainly in putting the bitumen though upgraders close to source before sending it though pipelines no matter where it goers.

The only thing that will continue to be a problem are current low prices of crude as well as the high energy content required to extract the oil from the bitumen. Once that problem is solved or the supply of crude in the world draws down, we should be able to export an upgraded product south to be further refined.

So research $ are required in addition to subsidizing the costly extraction of oil at this time.

Producers are saying that they do not want to leave it in the ground because they want to bring it to market before some of the alternate energy sources become significant contributors. They feel the window is closing.

Socredible and others ……

Famous Harper quote: “Well, look, uhm ….” … we’d like to see, uh, mexico…”; This is the teck fund, uhm …” … “uhm. I think its a big threat, uhm”

youtube.com/watch?v=bZDvlCipyNM

Even Mansbridge goes to “uhms” ….

Be honest to yourself and listen carefuly and count the number of “looks” and “umhms”

To be fair, Mansbridge interview of Trudeau.

Listen for 5, 10 whatever number of equal minutes with the Harper interview and the Trudeau interview.

Count the uhms, the looks and any other speech peculiarities you wish and then make a fair and honest comparison ….

Give us your counts.

youtube.com/watch?v=lkMa8UcABnA

How low will it go? Well there is a limit…and we are pretty much there now. The bigger question is how fast will the prices rebound when oil hits $70 again and how HIGH will the prices go. A lot of us recognize that in the long run they are not going to lose money as they can just charge us whatever they feel like in this country. There is no protection for the domestic consumer.

What, someone actually listens to mansbridge!