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October 27, 2017 9:01 pm

Pacific Northwest LNG Given the Green Light

Tuesday, September 27, 2016 @ 6:07 PM



Prince George, B.C. – The federal government has approved the $36 billion Pacific NorthWest LNG project.

It was announced this afternoon in Vancouver by Environment Minister Catherine McKenna.

The approval comes with 190 conditions, including the  establishment of monitoring  committees which will  include First Nations people.

The government had until October 2 to render its decision. The provincial government has already given its approval having expressed its enthusiastic support since the 2013 provincial election.

A final investment decision on the project has not yet been made though by Malaysian owned energy company Petronas.

The project would move natural gas via pipeline from northeast B.C. to a terminal on Lelu Island near Prince Rupert for export to Asia.

It has the enthusiastic support of Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies Conservative MP Bob Zimmer ”

“I am very pleased with this decision which brings this important project for our region one step closer to becoming a reality. We will now await Petronas for their final investment decision.  The Pacific NorthWest LNG project, which has gone through – and passed – a highly rigorous environmental review process, will create thousands of high-paying jobs in British Columbia and in Canada, billions of dollars in tax revenue, and will help to reduce global pollution.”

Just yesterday, MP Zimmer presented a pro-LNG e-petition with over 1,900 signatures in the House of Commons.

“In presenting the petition,” he said: “The petitioners call upon the Government of Canada to support residents, families, communities, and businesses of Canada by saying yes to liquefied natural gas and approve B.C. LNG projects such as Pacific NorthWest LNG; to establish a clean energy global leader by providing access to much need LNG resources to markets in areas such as Asia, assisting in the reduction of global GHG emissions; to reduce the federal deficit through significant contributions of federal, provincial, municipal governments via taxes and royalties related to LNG; and last, to help stimulate the economy and put Canadians back to work in rural communities, such as my own and the ones in northeastern British Columbia, with the approval of B.C. LNG projects.”

Earlier this year neighbouring Skeena-Bulkley Valley NDP MP Nathan Cullen told 250News he opposed the project noting his greatest concern lied with its location and the way the science was conducted for the federal review.

“More than 130 scientists came out just recently in an open letter describing the many faults in the way that the science was done which was paid for by the company (Petronas) and while I remain supportive of LNG broadly, this specific project has raised concerns for years.”

He said the science is important “considering the project in its current form threatens wild salmon in the area which he says represents $140 million at least to this region every year.”


Big deal, Petronas still has to do a full project review before making their final investment decision… and there is NO WAY this Malaysian is will to risk $36 Billion when LNG prices are in the toilet.

What I find more interesting is our Federal Liberal Government’s commitment to honor our green house gas emission reduction target, as per the Paris Agreement. Carbon dioxide emissions will reach 5.3 million tonnes a year from the LNG plant, according to the draft report, not including another 6.5 million to 8.7 million tonnes produced from natural gas collection and transportation.

“This will increase the B.C. and national emission totals by 8.5 per cent and 0.75 per cent respectively, based on 2011 levels,” said an early project assessment.

*Scratches head* So how is Canada going to meet its green house gas reduction commitments?

    and there is NO WAY this Malaysian “Corporation” is “willing” to risk $36 Billion…

      Well it just got de-risked big time..

    Hey JDolt – Booyah.

    You were an idiot with too much time on your hands last might and you’re an idiot with too much time on your hands tonight. Stop being small minded, parochial Luddite – natural gas is an excellent replacement fossil fuel globally until new energy technologies catch up, which they will.

    First it’ll be a move to 4G fission nuclear power, with inherently stable reactor cores and heat exchangers, which are already operating safely throughout the developed world. Then it’ll be medium scale hot fusion tokamak reactors but that’s still about 30 years out. In 50 years it’ll be LERN reactors supplying the planet with inexhaustible, clean electrical powe . If you have to Google the terms tokamak, or the acronym LERN then you shouldn’t be making comments on global energy demand and supply.

      My dyslexia is kicking in. Make that LENR reactors.

      Whor; its not dyslexia, your problem appears to run much deeper, possibly genetic.

      ht tp://tinyurl.com/zwk78bb

      Meh, this comment was intentional, since the moderator seems to give some on here a pass on the name calling!

Well JGalt, after seeing all of your high and mighty, know it all, “I’m so much smarter than the rest of you” comments in yesterday’s “Zimmer Introduces Pro-LNG Petition” thread, it’s clearly obvious that you really aren’t as smart as you think that you are!

I’m surprised that you are still here! Upon hearing this announcement, I half expected your head to explode!

Gee, I hope Ataloss is ok!

Petronas presently have two floating LNG plants under construction.

1-Petronas FLNG-1 (Satu) Plant (Malaysia) should be completed this year.

2-Petronas Floating LNG-2 Plant (Malaysia)

I would not hold my breath waiting for a decision to build the plant in Prince Rupert as the world market is flooded with LNG and will be for sometime to come.

He’s busy trying to book a ticket to Mars with Musk!

Anyone heard about the 4.6 magnitude earthquake up in the Ft. St John area a couple of years ago? Investigations revealed the cause of that earthquake was “fracking”, something that was disconcerting because industry claimed that if there was any fracking induced earthquakes they would be minor ones (under 2.5 on the Richter Scale).


“Oklahoma is the most earthquake prone state in the continental US. What’s more astonishing is that nearly all of Oklahoma’s earthquakes are man-made. They are being triggered by the biggest and most important industry in the state: oil and gas production. Before 2009, there were, on average, two earthquakes a year in Oklahoma that were magnitude 3 or greater. Last year, there were 907. That’s right, 907.”

Yes HG, some of us still have a brain, some of us instinctively know what is in our, and our children’s, best interests!

    So whats the result of these earthquakes? Some believe these quakes may have lessoned the risk of a big one.

    Just a fact you have missed, fracturing itself does not generally cause quakes its the introduction of waste water.

    hope the project goes ahead. Dam did you feel that quake, no quake just Suzuki’s head exploding.

    BC is a naturally seismically active part of the world – always has been, always will be. The incidence of low amplitude, low energy ground movements associated with hydraulic fracturing is extremely low, anywhere that fracking is done. And don’t forget Dolty that earthquake energy is measured on a base 10 logarithmic scale. Your alarmist talk of magnitude 3 earthquakes is ridiculous.

Don’t take it personal JGalt I’m sure some of the people commenting and expressing their tinfoilf hat disbelief with overwhelmingly agreed upon science would have been the ones arguing the earth was flat even when proven wrong.

    Then show the science, oh wait. Ever hear of ENSO?

I’m Professor Bumbledumb from the Univerity of the Internet. I encourage my students to abandon all efforts to use the scientific method and rational thought in order to identify and solve problems of global significance.

Instead, I encourage reading unsubstantiated junk science in the backwaters of social media, and immediately reposting or re-tweeting it without any intelligent consideration to ‘educate’ the next person.

Anyone that chooses to question the YouTube paradigm of ‘the more hits the better’, and actually knows what he or she is talking about, should be immediately labelled a Neanderthal, knuckle-dragger or ‘con’.

Remember students, thinking is really hard work – best to let the Internet do the thinking for you.

“A draft assessment of the LNG project, whose major partner is Malaysia’s state-owned Petronas, was released in February by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency. The agency found that the project was “likely to cause significant adverse environmental effects,”

Carbon dioxide emissions will reach 5.3 million tonnes a year from the LNG plant, according to the draft report, not including another 6.5 million to 8.7 million tonnes produced from natural gas collection and transportation.

“This will increase the B.C. and national emission totals by 8.5 per cent and 0.75 per cent respectively, based on 2011 levels,” said an early project assessment.

Huh, I guess the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency is now considered a source of “unsubstantiated junk science from the backwaters of social media”. Oh, but that’s right, WhOR has two degrees, and 30 years experience in the industry, all sources outside of his massive Neanderthal brain is considered “junk science” folks.

    Simple, close Burrard Thermal which contributes 7% of BCs co2 emissions

So now if Petronas signals the go ahead (unlikely at this time)BC adds a huge volume of CO2 emissions to the atmosphere making it virtually I’m possible to reduce green house gas emissions to the levels the feds have agreed to. Yet in BC we continue to pay a carbon tax on the natural gas we use to heat our homes. It would seem the carbon tax has now been relegated to be a cash cow for the liberal gov’t.

I also wonder in light of a looming election if this approval is not just a ploy to improve the liberal chances of re-election and to add substance to Christy’s LNG dreams.

    Maybe read up on the carbon tax in BC, difficult for a revenue neutral tax to be a “cash cow”

    I thought the consensus on this blog was that the BC Liberals were on par with the federal Conservatives not Liberals, why would Liberals want Conservatives voted in? Anything to make it about the election next year I suppose for Dippers

      Christy Clark has been a Federal Liberal since at least 1996. She worked in Ottawa for a Federal Liberal Cabinet Minister in the John Chretian Government.

Let them spend their 36 billion on an asset that will become redundant about the same time as tha last dollar is spent . I like seeing Malaysia plug more money into a Rube Goldberg machine that is crushing itself under its own weight . It’s actually comical how desperate they are becoming . They can’t find anything but more and more extreme energy . they can’t charge what the real costs are because they would crush the world economy and then sell nothing . The biggest smoke and mirror operation the world has ever seen . And people vote against their own self interest out of shear stupidity thinking they are going to get something out of it . Poor , poor rubes .

    The poor denier rubes constantly want to make the argument about climate change or ideology or some other goofy stuff . It’s about the money . It’s about thermodynamics. It’s about the laws of physics . The fossils have reached the limits of thermodynamic efficiency . Now even the Kochs through their Exxon ads on TV are pretending to be a high tech fuel . The height of comedy . They even include an Alien space craft which looks electic to make their very Bizarre claim .

      Where do you source this stuff? Just amazing.

      “The fossils have reached the limits of thermodynamic efficiency”

      Say what, please explain?

      Hope you are sitting down

      WUWT Awarded Top Science Blog Status, beats RealClimate, NYT, Guardian, HuffPo

      ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/09/28/wuwt-awarded-top-science-blog-status-beats-realclimate-nyt-guardian-huffpo/

      “We’re talking about potentially doubling the efficiency of solar cells,” says Prakriti P. Joshi, a Ph.D. student in Zhu’s lab who is a coauthor on the paper. “That’s really exciting because it opens up a big, big field in engineering.” Adds Zhu, “This shows we can push the efficiencies of solar cells much higher than many people thought possible. ……. This is what I am talking about . Is there any possibility that an ice car could double its efficiency . It’s already an explosion internally . You can’t get a bigger bang out of it but solar , wind , wave etc are and have been improving efficiency exponentially.

Organic foods are now the trend, right well fossil fuels are organic so what’s the problem?

Now one has yet shown a provable correlation between fossil fuel use and climate.

For those worried about c02 a plant food, well in 18 days China produces the same output of co2 as Canada in one year, then factor in India, Malaysia. Plant life just loving it.

    You really are brain dead. Yes, CO2 is a plant “food”; however, rising CO2 levels are a good indicator that plants cannot absorb and convert all of the “plant food” that is being generated. A person doesn’t even have to be a scientist or interested in science to realize that. All they need is moderate intelligence to process some basic information.

      Greenhouses elevate their co2 over 1,000 ppm to 1,500 ppm through co2 generators. It is used to improve plant quality and increase production

      Canada cannot do anything to stop rising co2 levels, that is a fact. Even if we go cold turkey and even stop breathing to produce zero co2 emissions Canada wide just the increase alone in China this year will make it all for naught – that is how much we matter in the global “greenhouse” gas emission scale. Our land base and surrounding oceans sink far more co2 than we produce as a nation, we are sinking extra co2 from other countries as well, perhaps we should be charging them instead of giving them billions of dollars every year to combat their “greenhouse gasses”

To meet the rising natural gas demand projected in the IEO2016 Reference case, the world’s natural gas producers increase supplies by nearly 69% from 2012 to 2040.

ht tp://www.eia.gov/forecasts/ieo/nat_gas.cfm

Does the oil and gas industry have too much influence on politics in Canada?

“Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau’s now-former campaign co-chair has been advising TransCanada since last spring, a company spokesman has confirmed. What’s more, Dan Gagnier, who stepped down from the Liberal campaign on Wednesday, says the party knew about the work.”

“The Canadian Press reported that Gagnier sent a detailed memo to energy company TransCanada earlier this week, advising officials there how to deal with a new government following Monday’s election. Trudeau told reporters on Thursday that that was inappropriate.”

Do we have yet another government that is in the oil and gas industry’s pocket? It would seem so!

    Yup . Even the Alberta NDP are getting all oiled and gassed up . But like I’ve been saying for years . It really doesn’t matter what us Canadians do . The vast majority of the population of the earth live in places that don’t produce oil or gas and they are moving into renewable at a staggering rate . The market for the fossils diminishes daily . The jig is up . Funny how the fossils useful idiots are so against renewables . It’s the renewables that are keeping oil/gas prices down and that’s only going to excelerate as more renewables come online daily .

      The jig isn’t up..not quite yet anyway.

      Until you can power a commercial aircraft with a reliable fuel source that has a low weight to power ratio that wont fail under extreme temperature fluctuations, fossil fuel or carbon based fuels is here to stay.

      You also cant ignore the fact that oil based products will still be required in plastics, lubricants and explosive applications.

      There are billions of dollars chasing electric aviation world wide . Look up electic aircraft in Wikipedia . It’s a long read as there are so many doing it . As for plastics (polymers) and Lubracation . Not one of the organic materials that exist in the fossils are not growing today . So that’s also a silly argument .

      Wikipedia oh now I understand.

      You still have a problem understanding energy desity.

      Got my laugh for the day, almost a snort… thanks Ataloss

      Renewables are keeping the price of oil and gas down, gotta remember that one.

      News 5 minutes ago, OPEC agrees to cut production by almost a million barrels a day and the price of oil surges 5%, maybe they didn’t get your memo?

@Ataloss..lol.not even an argument..It’s the reality of the current situation. How did your groceries make it from the seed to your pantry..?

Read and weep

ht tp://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/ontario-liberals-scrap-plans-for-dollar38-billion-in-renewable-energy-projects/ar-BBwH4T8?li=AA54rW&ocid=spartandhp

Another read and weep

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/09/28/entire-state-of-south-australia-has-power-black-out-because-of-flawed-climate-change-energy-policy/

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