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Bitterly Cold Weather on the Way

Saturday, December 3, 2016 @ 6:58 AM

Prince George, B.C. – We’re about to experience a rather drastic chilling of temperatures in the Prince George area and, in fact, virtually the entire province.

Following the third warmest November on record in our city we now have somethermometer5 cold weather on the way.  Environment Canada operational meteorologist Ross Macdonald says as of Sunday night “we’re going to see our first real push right through the province of cold, arctic air.  Certainly by the time it reaches the southern interior and even out to the south coast, it may even reach Vancouver, it will modify as it goes down there.  But it will be the same kind of push of air right from the Yukon and Alaska.”

Macdonald says “right now we’re hovering around zero or plus 1, plus 2 for you guys and portions of the Cariboo.  Your overnight lows have been minus 1, minus 2 but we’ll certainly see those fall too.  Typically this time of year we’ve got highs of about minus 2 so we’re riding about seasonal right about now.”

“But certainly come Monday we’ll be highs of about minus 15, minus 12 and then even colder, potentially, for the middle of the week there.  Highs may be only getting up to minus 20 there so quite cold and lows potentially getting as low as into the minus 30s.”

“This is going to be a really significant push of arctic air right through the province.  We see these from time to time in the winter time but this is the first real push this winter.”

Macdonald says the cold may even arrive before Sunday night.  “We’ve got a high on Sunday of minus 4 but we might struggle for that.  Depending on how quickly the front pushes down temperatures may actually start falling during the day but certainly by Sunday night we’ll see double digit overnight lows and it’ll struggle Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and probably won’t break above minus 12, so we’re certainly going to be in it Monday to Wednesday there.”

In terms of precipitation he says “there’s not a lot of snow coming with this transition, at least initially.  The trick is always when we’re punting this cold air out and how quickly it moves out.  That transition from warm to cold usually does have some precipitation so sure enough we are looking at late day Wednesday and especially Thursday as being the day where we’re going to see some snow come across.  Temperatures will start to warm a little bit so we will see some snow that day.”  He says snowfall amounts will be relatively light, a few centimetres.

Macdonald says there will be a little moderation of temperatures on Thursday “but looking into the really long range it looks like we are into a colder regime so there’s the likelihood that those colder temperatures kind of come back with daytime highs not getting above minus 10 might return next weekend.”

“Our long-range computers models are kind of pointing at certainly quite a cold start to the month of December in your area, which is quite the contrast from last month with our third warmest November on record for Prince George.  No, it’s a bit of a yoyo right?  We’re going the other way now.”


“Typically this time of year we’ve got highs of about minus 2 so we’re riding about seasonal right about now.” No, that is not typical temperatures for this time of year… that is typical temperatures for the month of October about 15 to 20 years ago.

The temperatures we are about to get are typical temperatures for this time of year, what we were typically getting 20 years ago! Heck, last year on December 8th we even had a thunder shower come through Prince George, now that’s not “typical” or “normal”!

    BH, thanks for clearing up things up! It’s really nice to know that if I ever need to find out what is going on with the weather, I no longer need to bother checking with Environment Canada or any of their operational meteorologists. I just need to check with you, the expert on everything! So much more simple, haha!

    Apparently you aren’t very good at historical record looking BH since records have been kept of weather in the region in the early 1900’s Prince George has experienced 32 green Christmases meaning little or no snow on the ground during December including 9 in the past 20 years that I have lived here. November 1917 is one of the warmest months on record for the region with a warm spell that kept snow off the ground until late December

    Also it is not uncommon for the region to experience this type of weather of freeze and thaw cycle and happens more often than people can think

    Some basic research will save you from foot and mouth disease

      such a stupid comment. Some of us have walked to school in the 60’s and 70’s in bitterly cold temps, after shoveling our walks and driveways. Can’t compare it to today.

BH then you must be ecstatic about the coming cold spell.

It only takes seconds to debunk your post

ht tp://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/bc-79_metric_e.html

Oh and it is not unusual to get thunderstorms over the winter, not many but does happen.

Now take a deep breath and go into your safe room.

Are you going on records or do you just think you remember?

The upcoming “cold snap” is indeed a weather anomaly over these past years. I heard it is now the Spruce Beetle that is now becoming a problem due to: “Recent weather patterns, including warm springs, dry summers, warm winters and windstorms (resulting in more tree blowdowns) have contributed to the current increase in spruce beetle populations in this region.”

ht tp://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/environment/air-land-water/land/forest-health-docs/spruce-beetle-docs/spruce_beetles_factsheet.pdf

The above facts come from a BC Government website / source! I believe it is time Forest Companies operating in this province, and across Canada, (Canfor, West Fraser, Interfor) start calculating the damage to our fiber supply (forest resources) these warmer winters and weather have been causing via pest outbreaks. Quantify that damage to the wood supply and recover those costs from the fossil fuel industry, as it is the use of fossil fuel industry products that is causing the; warmer springs, drier summers, and warm winters.

Something similar was done in the 1970’s when science linked, with 97% certainty, the smoking of cigarettes to lung cancer. Despite the Tobacco Industry hiring its own scientists, in an attempt to discredit the science and misinform the public, both governments and individual smokers with lung cancer were successful in suing the Tobacco Industry for the increased health care costs associated with the use of their products.

Queue the fossil trolls…

    Why is this a weather anomaly? I take it you are not very old.

    Forest practice has a lot to do bug kill. If bug kill is only related to temperature then how come all the forests are not dead down south?

    Ever hear of Pacific Decadal oscillation, esno, AMO,?

    The PDO cycle up and down is about 60 years and we are now entering its cool phase. Also the sun is less active, so better buy some fossil fuel sourced thermal under wear as you will be seeing a downward temperature trend over the next few years.

    In the seventies the scare was the coming ice age.

Isn’t this cold spell supposed to happen end of Dec like it always does??/ We seem to be a month a head of time in everything this year

Nov 30 2015, -16C was a cold hunt. Cold snap in Dec, Jan, 2 in Feb, but who can forecast? never know.
Just get them frozen longjohns off the line in time to thaw.

It’s not just the warmer climate increasing the population of pests such as the mountain pine beetle, and now the spruce beetle, forest fire frequency and intensity has been increasing as well. “B.C. Premier Christy Clark says wildfire seasons like the one the province is currently experiencing will become more common because of climate change.” “Climate change has altered the terrain. It’s made us much more vulnerable to fire,” said Clark.

ht tp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-fires-christy-clark-blames-climate-change-for-wildfire-increase-1.3162956

The cost for fighting these huge wildfires, and the damages they cause (Ft. Mac, Slave Lake, etc.) are increasing every year, time our provincial and federal governments recouped some of the costs for fighting those forest fires and the damages they are causing. In other words… it’s time for the fossil fuel industry to nut-up!!!

    In 1919 the Ft Mac area had a fire 5 times larger. I am glad you believe in climate change BH as climate is always changing or do you deny that.

    Did you know the earth’s surface temperature has been decling since the Holocene maximum 8000 years ago. Hey did you know the earth was warmer then than now, and the fauna flourished.

      “Natural variability can explain much of the temperature variation since the end of the last ice age resulting from factors such as change in the tilt of the earths axis. Over the past century, though, global average temperatures have “risen from near the coldest to the warmest levels” in the past 11,300 years.”

      “Given the uncertainty inherent in estimating ancient temperatures, the scientists conservatively concluded that the last decade has brought global average temperatures higher than they have been for at least 75 percent of the last 11,300 years. The recent increase in global average temperature is so abrupt compared to the rest of the time period that when the scientists make a graph of the data the end of the line is nearly vertical.”

      article by Michon Scott

      Totally agree. For this area, it really has warmed up. -50’s in the 60’s, now it doesn’t get further than -30.
      Up and down like a yo-yo over thousands of years. Nothings changed except folks perceptions.

      Digitus actually not true there has been no abrupt rise in temperature. Temperature has been almost flat for the last twenty years despite the rise in beneficial c02.

      The hottest eva mantra is actually about 1/100 of a degree well in the borders of natural variation. Do not confuse the recent mild temperature with global warming. Our temperatures are greatly influenced by the ocean, PDO, ENSO. Remember there are scientists then there are rent seeking scientists, we have a bunch up the hill.

      Ever hear of James Hanson well he is the one who kicked off the c02 is bad and we are all gonna fry mantra. Well none of his predictions have come true and he is even backing off his extremism. Back in 2006 he said we only have 10 years, well its been ten years. Have you fried yet?

      No, I haven’t. Do you mean James Hansen ?

      In an interview on CBC television on March 2/2015 Dr. Hansen stated “the solution to climate change has to be a rising price on carbon and then the really dirty fuels like tar sands would fall off the table very quickly.”

      Wow ! So just last year this guy was talking carbon tax and recently arrested for protesting and is called the father of climate change. He just changed in the last year ? You might be thinking of a Breitbart version or Wattsupdoc version of this guy.

      DI here ya go

      ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/03/shock-the-father-of-global-warming-james-hansen-dials-back-alarm

      No, no, no, seamutt. You need to find some information that comes from a legitimate source. Not that basement blog brought to you by an am radio weather forecaster that twists things people say into what you want to hear. I bet you’re boycotting Kelloggs products because they pulled their advertising from Breitbart. Find a site that is not paid for by the Homeland institute.

      And, really its confusing. First you (seamutt) post that the earth has been cooling for 8,000 years. Then you post that the earth has been warming, but not in the last 18-20 years. So which one is it ?

    So if the beetle infestations are caused by a warming climate, why do they still have pine and spruce trees in the southern part of the province where it’s always been much warmer than here?

    Why did the massive pine beetle infestation start in central BC and move to the warmer south rather than vice versa?

    Why do you take Christy’s word as gospel on this topic of which she knows nothing, but despise everything else she says?

    Why weren’t the pine and spruce wiped out 1000 years ago when it was considerably warmer than now?

      You must be addressing someone else’s post.

Totally agree with you there seamutt. And who the hell ever came up with the world being round anyway, probably some wacky left wing think tank. :)

The scientific reality is that on virtually every claim — from A to Z — the promoters of manmade climate fears are falling short or going in the opposite direction.
? Global temperatures have been virtually flat for about 18 years according to satellite data, and peer-reviewed literature is now scaling back predictions of future warming. ? The U.S. has had no Category 3 or larger hurricane make landfall since 2005 – the longest spell since the Civil War. ? Strong F3 or larger tornadoes have been in decline since the 1970s. ? Despite claims of snow being ‘a thing of the past,’ cold season snowfall has been rising. ? Sea level rise rates have been steady for over a century, with recent deceleration. ? Droughts and floods are neither historically unusual nor caused by mankind, and there is no evidence we are currently having any unusual weather. ? So-called hottest year claims are based on year-to-year temperature data that differs by only a few HUNDREDTHS of a degree to tenths of a degree Fahrenheit – differences that are within the margin of error in the data. In other words, global temperatures have essentially held very steady with no sign of acceleration. ? A 2015 NASA study found Antarctica was NOT losing ice mass and ‘not currently contributing to sea level rise.’ ? 2016 Arctic sea ice was 22% greater than the recent low point of 2012. The Arctic sea ice is now in a 10-year ‘pause’ with ‘no significant change in the past decade’ ? ? Deaths due to extreme weather have declined dramatically. ? Polar bears are doing fine, with their numbers way up since the 1960s.
Have climate change skeptics lost the climate debate?

No! Climate skepticism enjoys huge popularity in polling data, and every time a climate bill has come before the U.S. Congress it has failed to pass. There never was any real climate debate! One of the key reasons climate fear proponents don’t want to debate is what happened during a pivotal highprofile debate in 2007 in New York City, where skeptics were voted the clear winners against global warming proponents.
NASA’s Gavin Schmidt appeared so demoralized at losing that debate that he announced debates equally split between believers in a climate ‘crisis’ and scientific skeptics are probably not “worthwhile” to ever agree to again. And climate change promoters listened, with debates becoming rarer and rarer.
In fact, instead of engaging in debates, prominent climate activists now call for jailing skeptics. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., declared he wanted to jail his climate skeptics. “They ought to be serving time for it,” Kennedy said in 2014. And Bill Nye — ‘The Jail-The-Skeptics Guy!’ — entertained the idea of jailing climate skeptics for “affecting my quality of life” in 2016, while

    Another cut paste job from Wattsupdoc. The bugs bunny website for basement blogging wannabe weathermen.

Bitterly cold? Yeah whatever.

What I don’t get is what’s in it for you folks who insist on denying climate change? Rejecting the obvious? What’s in it for you? How do you win? Where is the value and virtue in making fun of science?

    196 countries took the scientific evidence seriously enough to agree in Paris that mankind’s contribution to climate change must be reduced.

    Those who keep denying that the burning of vast amounts of fossil fuels over the last century contribute anything to the greenhouse effect are in the minority.

    They do not deny that climate change is happening, they just claim that mankind does not contribute anything whatsoever to global warming.

    Why? Vested interests? Smoking used to be allowed in hospitals as experts were claiming that smoking was harmless and the sporty thing to do. Those socalled experts were in the pockets of the tobacco industry. Who knows how strong lobbyists for other interests are.

      PG okay there must be proof then, hundreds of billions spent where is the proof. The verifiable testable proof, that is how science works or is supposed to work. Show the proof it must be out there somewhere.

      Considering all the other climatic variables how come only life giving c02 is supposedly the only cause. Follow the money, follow the money paying for trips to climate meetings all over the world. Hey did any of the rent seekers up the hill travel to the party in Paris and/or Marrakesh? They seem mum on the subject.

      Oh mans contribution to life giving c02 is only 4% of total, 4% now let that sink in for a bit. Also Canada’s contribution is only 1.6 % of that 4% yet our dear leader, the admirer of murderous dictators wants to impose a carbon tax with no proof or statement of effect.

      Proof show me the proof!

    mudgeman, it’s fair to say that a lot of us are not denying “climate change”! The climate is always changing, always has, always will!

    What we deny is the effect that “man” has on climate change. There are a lot of people, making a LOT of money off of their man made global warming claims. I’d be more inclined to believe what they say, if and it’s a very big IF they were not making big bucks out of this and IF they actually lived their lives as IF man actually was the cause of climate change!

    Don’t you find it interesting that the phrase “man made global warming” has been replaced by the phrase “man made climate change”?

    But we don’t deny climate change. Why do you folks insist that we do?

    What we deny is that human contributions are causing dangerous climate change, and we base that on the science.

    Why do you folks use the word “science” but never actually check out the science of the matter? Lots of people (including scientists) just assume the warmists are telling the truth and don’t ever bother to check it out for themselves, or read what the “deniers” are actually basing their claims on. Scientists who do check it out switch to the denier side, because that’s what the evidence supports. I can cite names for you to research.

    Here’s a website with a video exposing the way the data is manipulated to make it fit the narrative. Watch it and learn how you’ve been duped:

    ht tps://www.desmogblog.com/steven-goddard

It’s good that they have climate change to deny . It takes they’re minds off what’s really going on . Like meanial labour , robots. Our huge leap forward in energy efficiency . Driverless autonomous vehicle delivery systems . Why do you think you are hearing sounds like universal guaranteed income ? I can hear it now but net flicks killed block brothers in two years . Have you seen the 5000 $ rebates from Victoria ? It goes up to 74k for the Catilac .

    “universal guaranteed income” is as much a misnomer as “man made global warming”, Ataloss. It is perfectly true that ‘robots’ and other forms of technology are going to make many current jobs completely obsolete at an even faster pace in the future. And incomes dependent on employment are going to shrink in their totality. But a “universal guaranteed income” is no more a solution to that than a “carbon tax” is towards curbing man made global warming.

    BOTH are simply socialistic efforts at money re-distribution, which will only end up leaving more and more people with even less purchasing power than they have now, and only able to live ‘on terms’ set down by those who control money itself. What is really needed is adequate money DISTRIBUTION, to all, regardless of whether they’re rich, poor or in the middle, always sufficient to properly make the financial system fully self-liquidating as each successive cycle of production becomes final consumption.

Cevforbc.ca ……. The list is in the PDF .

seamutt, thanks for the interesting post about James Hansen, the Father of Global Warming, dialing back the alarm on Global Warming!

I couldn’t help but notice that neither BeingHuman nor Ataloss have responded! I suspect that they might just be trying to ignore it!

There is however, a very slight chance that they didn’t see your post, so I’ll assist you by re-posting your link. Perhaps this doubling up of our efforts might catch their eye, but I kind of doubt it because I don’t think that either of them likes me very much, haha! ;-)

ht tps://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/03/shock-the-father-of-global-warming-james-hansen-dials-back-alarm

Ataloss, er, uh, um Stockaloss, here’s a good read for you on the lack of demand for electric cars!

“The CEO of Ford just perfectly summarized the biggest problem for electric cars”. The reason is simple: consumers don’t want electric cars.

It’s the D-word — demand. And demand isn’t there.” 

ht tp://www.businessinsider.com/ford-ceo-biggest-problem-for-electric-cars-2016-12?utm_content=buffer93257&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-ti

And I can’t help but wonder why Elon Musk is working so hard on his battery storage system and solar panels. Perhaps he’s worried that he is unlikely to deliver the Tesla Model 3 on time, if it doesn’t bankrupt him first!

“Why A Hedge Fund Manager Thinks Tesla’s Model 3 May Put Elon Musk Out of Business”

ht tp://fortune.com/2016/12/02/tesla-model-3-stock-elon-musk/

How many Tesla shares did you say you own? Sell! Sell! Sell!

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