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Look At All The People Who Are Calling The Kettle Black

By Ben Meisner

Friday, August 29, 2008 03:45 AM

I have left the matter of Supt Dahl Chambers alone as you have noticed for a couple of reasons;

One: I know him, (and he knows I have no favorites)  

and two:  people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

It seems however that the whole matter has boiled down to the fact that Chambers has a relationship with a woman he works with, matter of fact they live together.

Geez… lets’ start there, my friend over at the Citizen, Dave Paulson knows well that there are existing and previous relationships ongoing at the newspaper.  Let's see, isn't Dave Paulson married to someone who  also works at the Citizen? . Chambers has a common law relationship, perhaps there is a difference, but the Supreme Court dosen't think so. 

If you’re going to hammer Chambers keep in mind that you should have your turn at the chopping block.

Running a poll to see if the community wants Chambers to go, was the last straw. Would you expect Chambers or, “His Friend”, to sit at the computer putting "no votes" in for their dismissal?  That Poll, designed to stick the knife in a little further, was cheap, at best.  With the exception of the five peolpe directly involved, no one else could make an informed choice because so far,  the public has only been given one side of the story.   Even if Chambers and his other half  voted "no" they would be out numbered by the "Yes" votes  from the other three in this story.

Then there is Betsy Trumpener at CBC.   I like Betsy , but by God I can find tons and I mean tons of live-ins, after dark and every other kind of relationship known to man at the Corp. Anyone  who works there and who claims to be a reporter would know and understand that.

Now let’s look at City Hall, and to his credit Mayor Kinsley has said Chambers does a good job, end of the matter. Geez…. There are so many relationships at City Hall or husbands and wives working under the same roof that they would be hard pressed to go after that one. But wait a good reporter would have taken the time to check at City hall to see if Chambers had asked the City hall Brass if his working with her was okay. He did,  and they said it was okay.

Now the RCMP in this city has husbands and wives, “relationships” working together, so it would seem only natural that the CBC and the Citizen would take a poke at them as well. Well that is of course right after they have cleaned up their own house.

Folks, about half of the marriages in Canada end up on the rocks, look around and before you criticize anyone make sure you're not standing on melting ice.

Now if I were to write the other side of the story and the not too public relationships that exist, (many of course not sexual in nature, but with all the same trappings)  there would be a number of people offering up explanations at home tonight. 

Now to the matter of Chambers being hard on the staff, speaking harshly to them… Geez, I worked for the Citizen for nine years. On more than one occasion when I dropped my off my column, the publisher (now he would be the boss wouldn’t he) told me what an "A-H----this employee was, or what he told this person yesterday (which was in no way flattering). At least three of those publishers, come to think about it, all four I worked for, would have qualified to write letters of apology under the RCMP act.  I also would like to confess and that is why I haven't dealt with the issue earlier,  that I have had a propensity to tell the odd employee to stuff it (well not in those words) I also have told the odd employer to do the same. Thank God I wasn't working for the cops beacuse I would have never made it past constable.

Then there is my friend Bruce Strachan.  Who is calling the kettle black, Bruce?

The nuts and bolts of this dust up are this; do we have better policing in this city than we did four years ago?

Now that’s the question you should address yourself with.  Do we have fewer hookers on Queensway?  Do we have fewer crack shacks, do you see cops doing more crime patrols than waiting on Foothills to nab someone for a speeding ticket?  If you answer yes, it’s better than before, that’s the nuts and bolts of what it is all about. So when it comes to calling for Dahl Chambers to leave, lets be careful about  what we are  wishing for.

I said at the outset, I know I live in a glass house,  my marriage broke down.  I work with my new wife and I am damn proud to say that. So please understand my nature.

Now if some of the people involved would have a look in the mirror they would realize, if they can get their mind around it, that they too have been living in that same glass house.

The full facts in the issue at the police station have never come out. The public  has  been  given selective facts from one side of the story.  None of the  "victims" has filed a wrongful dismissal suit. 

So those who  now  profess to be the "bastions of good behavior and character" might be  well advised that it is time to let it all go. 

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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Some years back, your relevations might have been shocking, but hardly much of a blip today in this liberal world.

I don't see how this situation "all boils down to the fact that two people are living together"...

IMO I don't think that has anything at all to do with the workplace behaviour of Mr. Chambers.


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Times change. Leadership is by example. Belittling employees is a bad example. Not removing such leaders is a bad example. Not removing such leaders condones the practice.
It is too bad Ben Miesner has put his editorial in the class of gossip rags.
Slamming others for doing investigative reporting, taking the time to point out facts, is not gossip.
Personal relationships were not presented in other articles, only the fact that Supt Chambers bullied and harassed employees over a substantive period of time. It was investigated by the R.C.M.P. and confirmed.
The fact was, he was found guilty of workplace harassment.
What does Ben mean "the full facts have never come out".
There were two intensive investigations by the R.C.M.P., and it is the facts of these investigations (not gossip) that are relevant.
This has nothing to do with who he lives with, and no one cares, it has everything to do with work place harassment!
Thank Ben, well written...and to behonest not the stance i had anticipated you would take.

As for the rest of the people who i'm sure are going to post on here and stomp their feet and shake their fists, their faces red as they latch onto something else to prop themselves up with...you know one side of the story, ONE. You don't know the other, I don't know the other, only those involved do. However, I wouldn't expect that you'd care to know now would you...what you're giong to chose to hear is the negative (which we all know, is what feeds the beast) and you revel in it. Thrilled to death that a public figure has been given a cross to bare.

On a side note: Those "accusations" of his behaviour...i used half of them this morning, i'll use the other half by this afternoon....there's one in particular i'm using right now.

That being said, it would be interesting to turn the tables around and air the other sides dirty laundy wouldn't it? I know some of you personally, and know for a fact that you wouldn't think it'd be such a good story now would it? Maybe it'd be fun for the rest of the mob to watch...but i doubt it. There's no class in picking apart a persons relationship like this.
I have always said that there are three sides to every story.
Your side, my side, and the truth.

As you stated Ben, only one side has been published.
As to him "harassing" the employees, I do not know any of the parties involved or the actual events that took place, but I know how many employees today feel that the boss has no right to enforce directives or policy.
Yet that is exactly what the big kahona is supposed to do.
These harassed employees likely have their noses out of joint because he made them do their job.
As to his relationship with another city employee, I would much rather see this unstructured relationship than have him sneaking around with a perverse behavior.
Every human needs some lovin' now and again and he has a highly stressful position. He needs to have some down time and stress relieve. At least it is the socially excepted variety of male and female in a somewhat committed relationship.
Such a controversial issue. Marriages and relationships inside the work place is becoming more common. What shouldn't be common is harrassment in the work place. Really, that's what this whole issue about.Supt Dahl was investigated, not Dave Paulson nor anyone else, by several people under Dahl's command. According to the reports, it wasn't so cut and dried as verbal abuse. Supt Dahl is a high profile individual in this community and at some point must know his behavior will at some point be questioned. It was. And rightfully so. The bottom line to all of this is : Harrassment, intimidation, bullying, whatever you choose to call it in the workplace in not acceptable. Period dot. Dahl's behavior was WRONG no matter how you care to dissect it.
He was in a position that requires tact, diplomacy, management and people skills. Apparently these are lacking, requiring some direction in this area. Suppose Mr. Chambers was subjected to inappropriate behavior (which may very well be true), he still should have had the common sense to handle it in a mature manner without resorting to making "masturbatory gestures" and name calling. Seriously. This is more than simply telling someone they are an "a-hole" or to "shove it". And the fact remains, the accusations were found to be valid - that is the story. Oh, and the fact that the report was supposedly swept under the rug by City Council. This behavior is not just “telling someone to do their job”.

Someone in a position such as this should have effective management skills - which he apparently does not. Name calling, sexual gestures, harassment of any kind does not encourage a better work ethic or enthusiasm for the job - in fact -it does just the opposite and anyone with half a brain and some efficient management skills and training would know this.

I don't think the relationship is really and issue - at least I never got that impression in the articles I read. Having said that, it was found to be a conflict of interest and having his partner given this position, especially considering the circumstances surrounding it, was in pretty poor taste, no matter how it is viewed - and again, someone in a position like Mr. Chambers, as well as Colin Kinsley should have been able to foresee what an uproar the entire scenario would cause.

I do agree that the entire story was most likely not made public, but the reporting was based on an actual report / investigation and the end result of it. Perhaps Mr. Corrigan was a total jerk – but it seems as though if this was indeed the case, he got his in the end with the “restructuring” of his job and his forced retirement.

Just my humble opinion.
sunnyone has it right. Dahl was reprimanded by his superiors and a note was put on his file. This wouldnt have happened unless he was found to be harrassing his staff. That is the end of this issue, the RCMP do not plan to take any further action.

The other issue is nepotism and it certainly appears that nepotism is alive and well at City Hall.

Websters. Nepotism: favourtism shown to relatives, especially in appointment to desirable positions;
I just have one thing to add - and I speak from experience on this one. It is very difficult to file a "wrongful dismissal" suit against the City. Next to impossible. Upper management is not stupid, they work very carefully with their restructuring, all the while referring to the collective agreement to make sure there can be no recourse through the union. I know of a couple of people who had their jobs "restructured". For months the restructuring was taking place, yet they had no clue about it. The union was of no help whatsoever because management made darn good and sure they couldn't. The costs associated with filing a wrongful dismissal suit, without much hope of winning it is huge, and with only pension income (which is at a reduced rate due to having to retire early), it just isn't an option.
I was under the impression this was a story about workplace harrassment and inappropriate behaviour, and not about his relationship with someone he works with.
I thought so too MrPG... hmm... seems to me that Ben is caught between a rock & hard place on this one and this is why we have received his response in this manner, on this issue. My opinion on the whole shameful mess is Chambers needs to take responsibility for his inappropriate behavior by getting some stress counselling and anger management.Also he should give formal apologies to the parties involved. Public figures need to be held accountable as they are in a position of high esteem & need to take that position seriously by how they conduct themselves so they can withstand public scrutiny.
No matter how you slice it, harassment is a serious issue with consequences and I did not see an appropriate consequence, imo, in this case.
Thanks Ben for breaking your silence and giving us your two cents :) I disagree with you, relationships do not excuse this type of behavior-- ever!