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By Ben Meisner

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 03:45 AM

If you have been listening to the radio lately and you are finding that there is an extraordinary number of contests, all designed to get you tune into a particular station, you are right.

The ratings are on and commercial radio is hoping that you get a ballot from the BBM (Bureau of Broadcast Measurement) and you will fill it out in their favour. The rating period by the way will be over around the end of October just before all of winning will take place.

It does of course produce a misleading  result in that it doesn’t reflect the true audience on a normal day to day basis.  But, the BBM numbers of who is listening to whom when,  is the "Bible" when it comes to National advertising.  For example, companies like Kellogg’s, Kraft, Wendy’s and a host of others,  buy advertising  on what is referred to as  a "point". If you have a good rating you get paid more for the ad, then say if your number four in a four station market. By the way, if your number four in the market they may pass on placing any business with you.

So in the large markets they give away cars, homes, holidays, cash, whatever they can get their hands on , in PG (which is referred to as a middle market) holidays and other treats are the means of getting you to listen. Getting you to listen no matter how, means more money in the front door of the radio station.

Given that they are using these tactics are the results accurate?  You be the judge.  The CBC, which has a strong rating here, can’t get involved in buying up an audience so they are at your mercy. They have to play it straight.

In the old days of radio if you ran a contest during the rating period that looked like it had been tailored to,”make the book hot” ( i.e. garner lots of  numbers) BBM simply put an asterisk near your ratings saying that you had fudged the numbers by using a contest. That doesn’t happen in this day and age and everyone uses this ploy.

You may have noticed  recently that a couple of the stations (94-x and the Wolf) who had good rating periods in the last few books were running ads saying just how good they really are in listenership . For example the Drive and the River were at the bottom of the pack in the last rating period (known as the book) so they weren’t out peddling their rating numbers. They have some very good contests going  in an effort to get you on board for the fall "book".

When I first got into the radio business your job depended on having a decent rating without a contest to help. If you didn’t get a good rating, you would be out of work, and waiting for the ratings to come in was scary as hell. One day you were a hero, the next an unemployed bum if the people didn’t listen.

Today because of the low numbers a lot of stations simply go out and try and sell advertising, they don’t talk about the ratings. As a matter of fact, most of the staff never ever even get to look at a BBM rating , that sits in the hands of the upper crust, who are either fearful that the word will get out , or fearful  of what the results hold.

Did I ever say that the media were squeaky clean?

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.   


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Terestrial radio blows! I want entertainment from radio not political crap that i can read i a news paper or a bunch of advertising shoved down my throat! Ive gone to satalite and streaming internet stations and not looking back. It costs money but i gladly pay it. I also hate it when 94X slaps their logo feces all over concerts and events then they dont play the artists music who happens to be performing at the concert.
Thanks for that Ben. I did notice a lot of contests on the radio lately and thought, "Must be a ratings period".

Sadly, if one station engages in these tactics the others have to do the same thing or get left in the dust and lose out on that all important ad revenue.
"I also hate it when 94X slaps their logo feces all over concerts and events then they dont play the artists music who happens to be performing at the concert."

One of the most uneducated comments I've seen in a while. What shows are you refering to? Last time I checked, our "logo feces" as you so immaturely call them weren't at the latest country or pop show to play in town. DUMB COMMENT.

Ben, with all due respect, isn't this just the same article you wrote last ratings period? If it isn't, it's awefully close. Yes, things are different now Ben but face it, you're no spring chicken anymore. Things change. If there was ever a real accurate way to depict which radio station had the most listeners I'd take a $50 bet any day that 94X comes out on top. And to all the naysayers. Have you ever actually listened in the last few years? We support every event we can because we like to feel part of the community and get involved. Not such a bad thing eh? So many bitter folk on this site. A shame really. Okay folks, fire away at ol' G-LO. I'm ready.
Two Words: Satellite Radio - I would rather pay the twelve dollars a month to NOT have to listen to third rate DJ's, crappy commercials and stupid contests...I will never listen to local radio again. Satellite Radio offers every kind of musical genre commercial free...not repeated so called "hits" and playing the Eagles for the millionth time.....

Let’s see I can save 94X a bundle of money every year, if your number one, then don't subscribe to the BBM and don't run contests. If BBM is a waste of time and you know who is number one why in the world spend money you don’t need to.
If things have changed in this business so much how come you still play music, have news, and oh yes, sell advertising. The only difference between today and the spring chicken's days is that a lot of today’s announcers would have trouble making the team.
As for writing abiout the contests, people ask me why and I reply..its that keeoping the public informed in me.
By the way CBC has been running one or two in the ratings and they don't run contests, wonder how that happens.
Gary.. Face it, your station is in the business to make money.. When was the last time 94X actually played music from the local idependent scene.. Ohh right they dont have the money to get air time or bring big enough attention to the station..
As for communtiy events go.. The more you advertise, the more listeners you attract,the highter the ratings thus the more you can charge for air time..Now that doesnt leave alot of room for the local indy artist..Community support eh ;) You have to remember that record labels buy air time to sell their product as well. Comercial stations are mearly salesmen with microphones. True radio is the indy guys who make it fun to listen to.. Now to come on here and take shots at a radio/media pioneer like Ben who has a whole lot more credibility than you do while bragging about 94x ratings is arrogance at its finest.. Let the feathers fly!! Keep going i will expose more radio myths..
So what do you call this rant then? It's an attempt to drive listeners to your radio show, instead of the others, during ratings. Opinion250 is a great site, and up until recently, it showed little to no bias when it comes to local media. Now this site is a big commercial for the Meisner morning show. And you use it to attack your competition. The difference is, you don't give away vacations, or cash to your listeners, you simply offer bitter people an avenue to shoot their mouth off.

To Gary Long - your morning show is the freshest, newest, funniest radio show I have heard in 5 years living in this town. Keep it coming.
Just can't get it through some people's heads I suppose. Notice how I said "with all due respect Ben"

Ben, I respect everyone, you included. Northman mis-interprets things as many do on this site.

Northman, first off, get some balls and post under your real name and secondly, What the hell does this mean

"True radio is the indy guys who make it fun to listen to"

Go ahead and run an indy station here and see how well it goes. Good luck. If you want to run a non-profit radio station then go ahead, but you'll have 3 listeners, and two of them will be mom and dad.

And Ben, again, CBC - get real. You may as well listen though. You're paying for it. But alas, you have your opinion Ben.

I challenge anyone here to listen to my show for a week. If Docc and I can't make you laugh or keep you entertained, then I guess you just don't like comedy. There's always the CBC. I hear they're local 3 hours a day. I best be going there for all my news and traffic accident reports. Cheers folks. And remember to keep fit and have fun.
Just can't get it through some people's heads I suppose. Notice how I said "with all due respect Ben"

Ben, I respect everyone, you included. Northman mis-interprets things as many do on this site.

Northman, first off, get some balls and post under your real name and secondly, What the hell does this mean

"True radio is the indy guys who make it fun to listen to"

Go ahead and run an indy station here and see how well it goes. Good luck. If you want to run a non-profit radio station then go ahead, but you'll have 3 listeners, and two of them will be mom and dad.

And Ben, again, CBC - get real. You may as well listen though. You're paying for it. But alas, you have your opinion Ben.

I challenge anyone here to listen to my show for a week. If Docc and I can't make you laugh or keep you entertained, then I guess you just don't like comedy. There's always the CBC. I hear they're local 3 hours a day. I best be going there for all my news and traffic accident reports. Cheers folks. And remember to keep fit and have fun.
This has more to do with mine is bigger than yours then actually a decent discussion reagarding radio and the future of radio. But one thing is clear terestrial radio is no longer king in the digital realm. Digital now allows the listener options to listen to what they want, when they want and who they want. Having said that the whole dog eat dog comercial radio scene is starting to loose its grip on the listener. Touchy subject for those who rely on ratings..
Northman - I agree with you..I listen to radio for music - clearly there are those that do not and for some strange reason listen to DJ's who think they are funny in between crappy commercials. Let's face it all the good DJ's go to the larger centres.

I get a kick out of the challenge to listen to the show for a week...the only comedy here is what a joke the radio stations are...

Long live Satellite Radio!!!
"All the good DJ's go to larger centres"

Another uneducated generalization, but I digress. Why the hell would I or anyone want to go to a major center and struggle to survive. Even some of the best in the bizz barely get by in major cities. I love it here. A great gig, a good paycheck, a great city to live, good friends. Life is good my friends. Life is good. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to inform and entertain my loyal listeners.

PS. Keep dodging all the questions you can't answer Northman. Still haven't found a set yet eh? Oh well, have a good one. And as I mentioned. Life is good. It's nice to not be bitter. Cheers.
Gary, I have to say as a listener I've lost a little respect for you through this discussion.

Why get so defensive about ratings and the business of commercial radio? Commercial radio is designed to get as many people listening as possible to sell advertising. Ben was just pointing out that all the stations in town seem to be doing the same thing and using the same tactics.

And Gary, don't worry about the comment about DJ's leaving to larger centres. The 94X morning show has had no personnel changes over the past few years, right? :)
Gary,
No offense, but just because every station in town is crappier than 94X does not make 94X good. And just so you know I'm not taking sides, I'd rather listen to a recording of cats fighting than tune into Mr. Meisner's program.
Mr.PG. Thanks for the listenership first and foremost. I don't mean to sound defensive even if it came across that way. Just passionate and proud of my station I suppose. But 3 of the last 4 people that have left the morning show didn't leave for larger markets. I'm always up for a good discussion though. Keep it real folks. And remember to respect your mother. Cheers.
Say what you want about the local CBC, but they do what they do (and get their ratings) with no big contests and virtually no advertising, either.
Shocked,
Can you say "government subsidies"?

The CBC (Canada's answer to Pravda)should be privatized or abolized all together.
I've listened to your morning show Gary and was not impressed. What demographic exactly are you trying to appeal to? Just judging from what I heard over a couple of days listening, if I were a boy, between the ages of 14 and 24, I'd probably love it. Stating that someone who does not appreciate your show does not appreciate comedy is a generalization in itself. It's all a matter of personal taste.

Personally, I'll listen to whatever I happen to be in the mood for. Sometimes it's 94X, sometimes others, but most of the time I just shut it off. Way too much babble.

There's got to be a few more people out there that don't like my morning show. come on, don't be shy. Fire away.

Well, back to watching Death Wish 2. Good day to all.
Mr. Long - do you have the control of what you can actually play and when - unfortunately radio has become a corporate sell out - somg lists approved by somebody else, programming at certain times...blah blah blah...I suggest tomorrow morning you play a song by Tom Petty called "The Last DJ" - spin that record and remember how things used to be.....oh wait I am sure its not on your list of songs that you are "allowed" to play...

Radio is dead.....
oops i meant "song" lists....been a long day...
Honestly, I used to listen to 94x....back when it was breakfast with fanning and the big dogg. Since then it seems as tho the radio announcers are struggling to keep people tuned in and interested. If 94x was as big as "G-Lo's" ego it MIGHT possibly have a shot at sat radio. By the way who say's "HOY HOY," anymore??? I will be one to admit that after listening to the morning show the last few months it has driven me AWAY from listening to 94x. Yes G-Lo your morning show sucks!(no offence) I'm sure your a great person just really boring to listen to. I am utterly and completely with Northman(the hottie) and Petty Fan.....VIVA SAT RADIO!
Honestly, I used to listen to 94x....back when it was breakfast with fanning and the big dogg. Since then it seems as tho the radio announcers are struggling to keep people tuned in and interested. If 94x was as big as "G-Lo's" ego it MIGHT possibly have a shot at sat radio. By the way who say's "HOY HOY," anymore??? I will be one to admit that after listening to the morning show the last few months it has driven me AWAY from listening to 94x. Yes G-Lo your morning show sucks!(no offence) I'm sure your a great person just really boring to listen to. I am utterly and completely with Northman(the hottie) and Petty Fan.....VIVA SAT RADIO!
Anyone that truly thinks that Satellite radio will help bring the demise of 'regular' radio is in dream-land. The VAST VAST majority of people will not pay for something they can get for free. And last I checked, Satellite radio won't tell you that the mill is burning to the gorund, what the weekend weather will be, or what the traffic is like on the way home from work.

And by the way, to Gary Long @ 94X - the fact that the old bitter farts on this site are bad-mouthing you - that should be taken as a compliment. This site breeds negativity. If the Cougars won the meorial cup , the bitter brigade would out in full force on opinion 250, slamming the design of the parade route. Don't think twice about the bitter-types that patrol this site looking for things to 'bitch' about. It's what they do.

Finally, if NO radio stations had any contests, you'd find the ratings to be more or less the same as they are WITH contests. It's a case of "If one does it - the rest have to follow suit". 95% of people will listen to their preferred stations regardless of who is runnign what contest. It's the remaining 5% of people (more often than not, twinkie-eating housewives and job-less losers) that flip back & forth to try & win free stuff, because that's the most exciting thing going on in their day.


Steering back to the original article baisicaly to sum things up there is room for incredible bias and fettering in the way BBM conducts its ratings surveys. With stations hosting all these contests and other touchy feel good things its pretty much.. for lack of a better term "payola" to the people carying the ballots. Canada needs to get get ahead of the pack and use alternate meathods of data collection that is out there to get accurate un bias numbers.
The Duke - Radio isnt free - if it was truly free there would not be commercials. You are forced to listen to this crap in between over played mediocre songs that are planned ahead well in advance...You may not pay a monetary cost but you do pay having to listen to "noise". The only true free radio is the CBC - and guess who funds that - you got it - you do through paying taxes. As I stated before I would rather pay 12 dollars a month for no commercials, clarity and DJ's that can literally say whatever they want when they want - perhaps that is the cost of freedom....Mr. Long is quiet this morning...must be on his radio show..
The Duke: It is interesting to me that while you are quick to point out the negativity of other posters, you are unable to get your own point across without a negative comment about "Twinkie eating housewives and job-less losers" who's high point of the day must be winning a free CD on the radio. Surely you can see the irony.
"The Duke - Radio isnt free - if it was truly free there would not be commercials"

Radio IS free. How is this fact being agrued? I don't care if you feel that having to listen to commercials makes it 'not free' as you suggest. That point is ludacris. And FYI, nobody is forcing you to listen to commercials. Change the channel, put a cd in, hummm the theme to Happy Days - etc.

There are so many people that b*tch & gripe & moan about radio as if radio OWES something to them. Radio is a business, and like any business - if there's no money being made, the doors get locked & people are out of work. I would think that as a resident of PG - a city that has had it's share of people losing jobs, that people would want to SUPPORT local business - including radio - instead of bashing it, and then bragging about how they pay money to a large national company for their 'superior' service.

Back to the original point - There is ZERO monetary cost(other than actually buying a radio) for anybody to listen to terrestrial radio. Period. However, satellite radio costs you $12/month - Hence, Regular AM/FM radio = FREE.
Satellite Radio = NOT free.

This is a black & white issue - It's not a debatable 'opinion' - It's fact. There is no grey area. You're wrong Petty Fan. Period.

If you want to PAY $12 a month - go right ahead. That's your perogative. But fyi... you're in the extreme minority. The overwhelming majority of people in Canada DO NOT want to pay for Satellite radio, as they already get it free. And best of luck to you if you want to hear even a shred of local content on Satellite Radio. It ain't happening. Satellite radio has its place - but it will never cause 'regular' radio to go away.


Finally, Pettyfan - you're point above where you state the following:

"unfortunately radio has become a corporate sell out - song lists approved by somebody else, programming at certain times...blah blah blah."

--- that statement proves just how little you actually know about radio. Of The five stations I have worked at in my career - NONE of them had that way of doing things. I'm not saying that there aren't stations where that IS the case - but to generalize radio in general as being the way you described... is 100% completely off base. Sure it's not the way it was in the 60's...& the 70's, but neither are the cares we drive, or the shows we watch, hairstyles we wear etc.
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In response to 'Daisybee' - I've worked in radio for close to a decade, and trust me -my 'negative comment' was a surprisingly accurate representation of the kind of person that we in radio call 'contest hounds'. Do they all eat twinkies - probably not. I'll give you that. But trust me - the 5% of listeners that I was describing, are usually either jobless, or they're home with the kids. Either way, it's a case of people having 'way too much time on their hands'.

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Oh man I had a good show this morning. Have a good weekend all.
Duke: it is you that has too much time on his hands.

Cheers
"Duke: it is you that has too much time on his hands"

Ha Ha - That's the response of a person who just got proven wrong folks!

(Ps: You seem to reply to my comments right after I post them, so you must not be all that busy yourself Mr. PettyFan.)

Have a great weekend folks!