With reference to the novel '1984', Orwell had it right, he was just a few years early in his estimate. Big Brother (will) be watching.
metalman.

Everything else has been tried. Serves the criminals right if they get caught on camera. The sooner the CCTV is installed, the better.

"..examined both for cost and the locations.."

So where would a high crime location be? There is already cameras at city council! Heehee!

Hey Dahl you could have a camera record all your personal interactions with those you work with.

them are fightin' words lostfaith....but I'm sure it's on quite a few minds.

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Maybe if the judges see the crimes with their own eyes they might deal out some proper sentences..... got to try something, I support it.

Sooooo....Lets say you spend the money and install the cameras on Third Avenue. Are these cameras invisible to the criminals? No! Soooo they move over to Fourth Avenue. And soooo on and soooo on. I do agree that it will deter crime where ever the cameras are but the criminals will move to wherever there is none. Really in the end a person can again walk down third in peace but you have not stopped the crime. You can not expect cameras to fix what our failing juditial system has created. End of story.

Have a great day all!!

its about time, set them up outside all the dirtbag businesses

living in small town cariboo,my family my neibours and I just want to live in peace and fun. We have an awesome firedeptment to protect the area. Community hall, Arena for intertainment a great school. But over the years the crime rate has increased so much. The local community has lost lots from people who's idea of fun is to either destroy property or they think they need to take it. Now we have to put up security for our places of work, protection and fun. People say that it's an invasion of your rights. Come on people, why do you need my solar lights at the end my driveway, go buy your own. Look around people. It costs lots of money for other people's rights. What about my rights to live within the law.Please dont't disrespect, don't cost me money and then scream you have rights.Don't take something that I love dearly and then say you have rights. Sometimes cameras are for our protection from people like this. Why should you worry about cameras if you are innocent.If I walk down the street or go into a public place of business why worry about a camera looking at you. The store clerk or the person standing next to you they are looking at you.If camera's are the only solution to keeping people who think that they are above the law off the streets. so be it. If it keeps all the people who I love and care for safe.So be it. Smile and wave at camera because somebody at the other end is bored.

Cameras are great for evidence in court, which is a good thing.

But I've always wondered why the city just doesn't hire a private security company to patrol high-crime areas. If the contract location was open, the patrols could be moved to follow the crime.

The security guards would act as eyes and ears for the police and a visible deterent to criminals, at a fraction the cost of hiring police officers.

If police suspect a place of being a crack shack, have a security guard on the block 24-7 watching the place and recording who comes and goes.

Give the security guards off-the-shelf camcorders at a fraction the cost of security cameras to record suspicious events.

It seems like a simple, obvious solution to me.

I think it is an awesome ides. Video crime in action but then put some teeth in the senteceing. Don't advertise where the real cameras are. Put up some fake ones.

Why don't we all just carry our own personal head-mounted video cameras everywhere we go ?
If this is a valid solution, then we should be ultra-safe.
God, it would be wonderful to be able to solve all the world's social problems with just a few moments' thought.
I wonder why people waste all of those precious years on post-secondary education ?

If these cameras are so strongly supported by the police, how come they turn off the ones in the holding cells and interview rooms ?

Waste of money if they're only used for "catch & release".

.....and then pray like heck they don't screw up on the witness stand.

I guess I'll have to wait until the end of the watch for the flames to start...

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Well they can feel the match starting to strike their little arsies while on the stand...that's why they are so fidgety (I like to make up my own vocab.) Then their lawyer($) (Let's add a few more of those....$$$$$$ there that's better) start doing the talking and well there ya have it. Time goes by and whoa wait a minute do you remember way back when when so and so said he did that? Oh no, no, no, he's done now. The match will strike, it's just a matter of when and where....even if it's long after he/she passes away.
Same old story right?

Smiling does not help since there is no one at the other end. I believe the idea is that if there is a crime somewhere that we cross our fingers and hope there was a camera there and captured enough of the act to be usable for evidence or locating the perpetrator.

The 1984 analogy is one I think we need to take further since we cannot afford people sitting around 24/7 just to monitor to increase prevention or immediate response. I suggest we put up large monitors at each street corner so that the public can watch the action and perhaps call in on occasion. The ultimate local reality show on Saturday nights.

Hasn't Mr. Chambers sold his house yet?

Excuse me! But can't the RCMP see what the hell is going on their beat? They know where the high crime areas are, or maybe not.

Good to see Heidi and R-man back with their nonsensical comments. Both, living in their topsy turvy worlds where they believe that cops are criminals and criminals are heroes.

I know, I know four years later and I'm still complainin'...tsk tsk on me.

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Have a good night troll.

You want to get rid of crime. Then run it like a lottery the person that phones in the best tip in 3 months wins 5000 dollars, 2nd place 3000 dollars, third place 1000 dollars. The secret number that is given to the tipster gets published in the local paper.
They will turn on each other, like rats in a cage.
Total cost for a year is 36000 dollars.
You know how many ex girl friends, low life’s and junkies will be phoning in.

Camera's should only be allowed on private property and should never be allowed in a public place unless under a direct court approve surveillance of a specific potential crime. The abuse otherwise is to great to the right to innocent until proven guilty and a persons right not to be watched.

Every major store you enter has a person with a zoom camera watching you today checking out your zits. That is already happening. Thats a private business situation and you choose to shop or not to shop.

A public space situation is different in that your rights as a citizen should apply with all its freedoms, legal rights, and presumptions of innocence and thus an expectation of personal privacy from surveillance.

If this kind of thing is allowed to go ahead then next the logical conclusion will be that we should all where tracking devices implanted in our skin so big brother can track our every movement in real time. That is so wrong on so many levels.

where=wear on above post lol.

I think its kind of ironic that the same RCMP that are completely unaccountable to the public would be the ones to support a surveillance society.

Council candidates not supporting the new RCMP station at 5th and Victoria will likely get my vote. So far I have only heard one candidate speak about this subject, which will be by far the next councils largest expenditure? I guess we are voting for a new council to take the old councils recommendation by the city managers?

I honestly think the issue of the land use of that location is the biggest issue for downtown revitalization that will take place in next fifty years... because of the strategic importance of that location. We have many candidates that will talk of downtown revitalization, but every single one of them will not question the city managers on the choice of location for the new RCMP station? Bizzare IMO.

I think we should put a camera under the bridge and then we can see why troll likes it under there so much.

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Thanks for the welcome back.

To clarify my position for you troll:

I believe that too many cops are standing too close to the criminal line and nothing is done about it.
I deal with criminals myself these days, to ensure it gets done right the first time. I don't like reruns. Criminals are not heroes to me in the least, but they are still people. People that may change their lives if they are shown how to and given the push to do so.

I just believe there are better ways to change people than to beat them up and shoot them, that's all.

You don't live by my standards, and I don't live by yours. Agree to disagree. I agree with cops who are doing a great job, which is most of them. If that's not you, then too bad.

In spite of all the arguments "for" and "against" cameras everywhere, here is the reader's digest version....if it was an effective policing/crime prevention tool, we would have been doing it long before now.

The "beat cop" is still the most effective crime prevention tool in history, in spite of all of our technological advances. Second to that, is a community that adopts "community policing" principles and looks out for itself, using the police as a means of dealing with only what needs to be dealt with by an authority.

I know that all of this sounds very nonsensical, but it's Heidi's fault for encouraging me to keep rambling. Shame on you, Heidi.

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