Clear Full Forecast

Not just an economic crisis – it’s very much a political one too

By Peter Ewart

Thursday, January 15, 2009 03:52 AM

By Peter Ewart
 
These days in the U.S., Canada, and other countries, it often gets presented that the main thing we are facing is a severe economic crisis. What often gets put in the shadow is that we are also confronted with a profound crisis in our political system, one that very easily could wobble into uncharted waters.
 
To put it in a phrase – our democratic system is in deep trouble. And we have seen many signs over the last period of time.
 
At the end of this last year in the U.S., we were treated to the spectacle of the George W. Bush Republican government, in league with the Democratic Party leadership of Congress pushing through a deeply unpopular $750 billion bailout for the Wall Street bankers who had played a big role in precipitating the sub-prime mortgage mess.
 
It is estimated that as many as 90% of the American people were vehemently opposed to this bailout of the Wall Street moneybags, yet both houses of Congress eventually passed the bill authorizing it. Now that the banks have their hands on these funds, they are arrogantly refusing to tell the American people what they are doing with the money. Thus, perhaps the greatest robbery of the public treasury in the history of the U.S. has taken place with the full support of the majority of the elected representatives of Congress, including the newly elected U.S. president, Barack Obama. 
 
There are numerous examples of anti-democratic and anti-popular decisions being made by political parties in power in Canada and British Columbia, ones that have serious economic repercussions for the people of the country. Particularly infuriating was the sale of BC Rail in 2003 despite Premier Gordon Campbell’s promise not to sell the publicly-owned railway.
 
More immediate, take the decision to hold the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver / Whistler. This was initiated by the Glen Clark NDP government back in the 1990s and fully supported by the Liberal government that followed. But just how democratic was the process?   It is well known that many of the several million people who live in the rural areas of the province did not support paying for these Olympics, not the least of which reason was the potential of accumulating massive debt. But they never got the opportunity to vote in a referendum on this issue. Only those people actually living in Vancouver did, and even then, a substantial minority of those were in opposition.
 
Now we are approaching the time when the bills must be paid, and they are substantial. Counting up the cost of the Olympic and Olympic-related projects, such as the Sea-to-Sky Highway improvements, the Vancouver Convention Centre (already $500 billion over budget), the Canada Line, and so on, Vaughan Palmer, columnist for the Vancouver Sun, estimates that the final tab could be approaching $7 billion (there, of course, should be substantial returns, but many believe there will be a substantial shortfall). This is at a time when we are clearly entering a severe recession, the forest industry is in the tank, and mining and other industries are plummeting.
 
We are headed for a real mess, but what grates the most is that the majority of British Columbians were not in favour of the Olympic extravaganza in the first place. Yet, it is we who must now foot the bill.
 
Is it any wonder why almost 58% of the people voted in the last election to throw out the existing electoral system and bring in the BC-STV system? Whatever one’s view on the benefits or shortcomings of BC-STV – one thing is clear. That vote was a reflection of the profound mistrust that British Columbians have with the current political process, which is dominated by political parties that act like cartels and which serve tiny, but powerful elites whose interests are often diametrically opposed to the vast majority of people.
 
Will simply switching political “horses,” i.e., electing another political party, change the increasingly anti-democratic nature of the political decisions being made? Such is the view being put forward by some about the election of Barack Obama in the U.S. However, we should not hold our breath in anticipation. 
 
The political problems we are facing are systemic and have to be approached with systemic solutions that empower the people and ensure that their will is expressed in the political decisions that are made. Indeed, without a greater congruence between the will of the people and the electoral and legislative structures that are supposed to represent them, and without people having more control over these structures, the entire political process could well become unstable as the economic crisis deepens. 
 
Peter Ewart is a writer, college instructor and community activist who is based in Prince George, BC. He can be reached at peter.ewart@shaw.ca

Previous Story - Next Story



Return to Home
NetBistro

Comments

The author fails to draw the obvious conclusion:

Vote for BC-STV on May 12.

No doubt he is respectfully allowing you to make up your own mind.

For more info: www.stv.ca
I think you meant that the Vcr convention centre is $500 MILLION over budget, not the reported $500 Billion. I think many readers may not have noticed this though in this world of overpoweringly gloomy news and forcasts!
"More immediate, take the decision to hold the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver / Whistler. This was initiated by the Glen Clark NDP government back in the 1990s and fully supported by the Liberal government that followed..."

Many thanks for this great bit of information! The ones that initiated it are the ones that protest the loudest! Did Clark leave us any other hidden legacies?

Aren't B.C. politics the most entertaining thing one has ever seen, better than the old television Gong Show?

Cheers!

Ask yourselves this. Are the countries that already have STV any better governed that those that don't? Ireland and Israel are often held up as examples, and I believe Australia, too.

Are the PEOPLE who make up these lands more pleased with their governments than we are with ours?

What is needed is not SYV, MMP, or any other such changes to the part of the system that currently 'serves' us. And I use the word 'serves' loosely.

What IS needed is a sanction exercisable by the public against any policies of any government with which the majority do not agree.

We need a "Voter's Veto". An effective one. Where citizens of sufficient number can force a referendum on any issue such as the ones listed above. We don't need to change the government to do that, even though in my opinion the current one should be changed. Without that, any other method of selecting politicians in the believe that they will be more 'representative' of us rather than their Party to us, is just whistling in the wind.
IT IS WELL KNOWN that Mr. Ewert has problems with figures and terminology.

Take this phrase for instance:

"IT IS WELL KNOWN that many of the SEVERAL million people who live in the RURAL areas of the province did not support paying for these Olympics."

He either has his own understanding of what "several" means or "rural" means or both.

On top of that, he has his own understanding of what "It is well known" means.

He seems to think that each and every expenditure that governments make ought to be up for a vote. Time for him to move to California and see if their approach with propositions makes any difference to him and those living under that government.
There is no reason to suggest that Canada or BC are not democratic, nor to suggest that our democracy is in danger. It is not. This site, and others like it in the online news sector, make that clear.

Democracy is not a monolith. There are many variations on the theme going back many hundreds of years. Democracy has evolved into what we have now, elected representatives with a universal suffrage. Perhaps it needs to evolve more, and I support BC-STV for that, but I don't think our system of democracy is ready to collapse any time soon.

There is, in fact, a means to force a referendum on an issue if sufficient voters band together. People forget that it is the "Recall and INITIATIVES Act". Perhaps what is really needed is for the initiatives process to be made easier.
Very good story! Thank you! Socredible! You are bang on!! I have been saying this for years now tha the people need to take back some of the power from the mere men we put into power. We NEED TO VOTE on important issues such as the olympics.

Have a nice day all!!
The NDP is not protesting the Olympics at all. The NDP is protesting the Liberal government's failure to keep within their stated budgets. That is, in fact, their job and what they are paid to do.

The Campbell Liberals have shown they can't manage major projects of any size and are so driven by their privatisation ideology that they get blinded to the true needs of BC. Citizens are put in the position of being compelled to dole out tax money to private, free enterprise partners of the Liberal government. Campbell has even announced to the province he will recall the Legislature early to make it happen.
Right on Socredible!
A "Voters Veto" is exactly what we need!
If we are ever to regain any control over our politicians, we must have some form of recourse to keep the lid on spending and stop governments from building monuments to themselves...much like the Olympics.
We also need some sort of control over "localized" spending such as we see being done on the lower mainland.
There IS more to B.C. once you pass Hope, but Campbell forgets that.
We know recall doesn't work,mainly because it was designed by politicians NOT to work, so how else do the voters of this province actually get their government to LISTEN?
What ever happened to "majority" rule?
IMO,the day the government decided not to allow ALL of B.C. to vote on the Olympics was the day it all started to go south.
A project of this size must have the support of ALL the province, and I think it is safe to say we do not have that.
Another example is that the Campbell government SHOULD already be in the house, paying close attention the business of B.C.during an economic mess like we are dealing with now.
The Liberals should not have a choice.
Be there,get to work,or call an election.
The voters DO need the power to veto bad decisions by government and not just at the ballot box.
Just because a government,any government,manages to get themselves elected does not mean they will be good a what they do, or good for the province as a whole.
And let's also not forget that a bad leader can decimate a province and a party, and Campbell is well on his way to doing that!
Campbell and his government lack the ability to LISTEN to those they represent and sooner or later, they WILL pay the price for that.
Unfortunately,so will the rest of B.C.at the rate these opportunists are spending our tax dollars!



To keep within their stated budgets? Wasn't it the job (as you put it) of the NDP to stay within its stated budgets as well? What we got instead was a doubling of the province's debt and fudgit-budgets and a fast ferry cost overrun from 120 million to over 400 million.

How to throw stones at others when living in a glass house.

Great move to recall the Legislature when it should have been sitting all along! The fall out from the international depression affects B.C. as well, so let's get busy working TOGETHER to deal with the new reality.

Thanks again for the illuminating info about when exactly the idea of hosting the Olympics was hatched in the first place!

Reading blogs and comments concerning the Olympics one would have never suspected that there was any NDP connection whatsoever.

The STV system is great if you like minorities, coalitions, and talk talk talk with no action.

Read John Rustad's comments in The Citizen this morning. He nailed all the problems with the STV system.

If it were such a great system, they'd have it in more places than Ireland.
Socred... Israel uses a proportional rep system and not an STV system. If you make comparisons you have to at least compare similar systems of voting for the comparison to have any truth to it. Australia I think uses the STV in their senate.

I agree with Peter that the political parties and those who control the political parties have far to much power in our system, and near no accountability for their policy flip flops. BC-STV would only enhance accountability of the individual MLA's and thus check the power of the political parties that are doing us so much damage to our economy and sovereignty.

The current system is designed to control the bureaucracy for a small group of party insiders deriving their legitimacy from the election stacked in favor of the established political party elites and their nominations. Their (as well as ours) greatest strength and weakest link is the ballot and how it is counted.
What we need is to bring back ostracism for politicians. In ancient Greece ostracism meant you were forced to leave town for 10 years after which time you could return and reclaim your land, wife, and occupation with no criminal record... but for ten years you were not welcome back into your home city because you were deemed to have abused your position of authority and hurt your city.

Ostracism in modern times could be a simple vote to remove a politicians pension for the results of something they created, voted on, or a policy they enabled in some way. If they are really bad we need an island up in the arctic where we can send them for ten years until they have paid their ostracism debt to society.
Eagleone @ 9:59, last paragraph.
Bang on!
John Rustad is a fearce opponent of STV because he didn't get the proportional rep that he advocated for at the Citizen Assembly. He wanted party list so he wouldn't have to run himself in the election and insteed could then get appointed by his party through proportional rep. His ideas fell flat at his presentation and so he could not support the Citizen Assemblies recommendation after that... because it wasn't his idea.

Proportional rep is the system with all the minority governments, coalitions ect, because under that system a party only needs 5% of the vote to appoint their candidates... so it breeds many small extremist parties that only require a 5% threshold of support like in most of Europe and Israel.

The BC-STV is completely different in that each member needs to get support from the ballot from the voter (not a party list) and all require a 50% majority to get elected and not the 5% of the PR system people will try to confuse with the BC-STV. Two completely different night and day systems.

John Rustad had his biggest achievement being his TILMA policy to deregulate everything that the sovereign government of BC had put in place in the past to protect our jobs (ie removing local tenures for the Fort where all his constituents are now unemployed), removing work standards, and environment standards. John (TILMA) Rustad's agenda is to remove government from protecting the things people rely on a government to protect them from... so its no surprise John (TILMA lover) Rustad is extremely against the BC-STV. John (TILMA) Rustad wants the party to run the election and then appoint him after from a list, so he can work behind the scenes and not be accountable to any constituents for the dismantling of our democracy. John (TILMA) Rustad couldn't be bothered with elections where he has to explain what he has been doing with the power given to him.

If I had to make a guess... I have thought for a while now that MrPG is in fact John Rustad and that I have touched raw a nerve... hence his hit and run style supporting the John (TILMA) Rustad agenda.
"If I had to make a guess... I have thought for a while now that MrPG is in fact John Rustad and that I have touched raw a nerve... "

Whoa! Pretty astute powers of observation there! The fact that you think I'm John Rustad explains a lot.

As for the STV system, you can try and try to spin it as a good system, but it ain't. Not sure what your personal interest is in seeing government grind to a halt, but I for one want to see governments be able to govern without being mired in a constant cycle of chatter that the STV would bring.
While not everything about BCSTV is bad,it is not all good either.
But then,the party system we have now is also not good.
The only reason I would support it,if in fact I ever do, will be to take back some of the power and control our provincial government has.
Accountability is everything.
As it stands now,they have TOTAL control and the ability to manipulate the electoral system to benefit themselves with no accountability, other than at the ballot box.
And that is just plain wrong.
Once again,it is a system designed by politicians to benefit politicians, and we don't get a choice.
And while I understand it is difficult to put in place,like many people,I want to be able to vote for WHO gets the top job,as in Premier or Prime Minister.
So how do we separate that from the party process that now controls that?


Quoting Diplomat, "To keep within their stated budgets? Wasn't it the job (as you put it) of the NDP to stay within its stated budgets as well? "

I know that Liberal supporters can't accept that the Campbell Liberals are ever responsible for anything, and always try and turn it around to hold the NDP responsible in some fashion, but really....!

The Liberals have been in power now for close to eight years. They are the only ones responsible for the decisions they have taken, including the grossly incompetent cost overruns for the Olympics (not to mention the BC Rail fiasco, decline in access to health care and increased size of wait lists, illegal lobbying by Liberal friends, etc, etc, etc.)

You are right, of course, the Legislature should have been sitting all along, not just recalled to fix a major problem in paying the bill for a defaulting Public Private Partnership. Why are they preferable again, I seem to have forgotten?
MrPG, I bet you vote for him. You're like two birds singing the same tune on the same broken branch IMO. Like body swappers, but with the mind lol.

Your argument boils down to, "governments be able to govern without being mired in a constant cycle of chatter"

Hmmm like I said two bird on a broken branch. Thats not democracy your talking about?
Andyfreeze I totally agree with you about electing the Premier and Prime Minister. Nothing says we have to stop with just the BC-STV.

BC-STV reform is just a start IMO. Once we have MLA's that are true patrons to their ridings, then the other things flow from that like the legitimacy of a democratic government enacting changes to the parliamentary system that could allow for a Prime Minister or Premier that is elected directly. For me the BC-STV is only the ballot process to ensure only politicians with a majority consensus can sit, but still the rest of democracy including the structure should be debated in the future and improved upon.

I also had my own ideas, and BC-STV wasn't my first choice, but its the only choice that has the legitimacy of a process like the Citizens Assembly... and who would I be to presume it has to be my way over that kind of legitimacy. I'm no John Rustad... I respect the sincere non partisan legitimacy of the Citizens Assembly process. By all accounts they did good thoughtful work.

If I had my way... well I had lots of ideas... but my favorite was to have like a cross breed MLA/Senator that sits in the legislature with all the other MLA's and has an equal vote to all the other MLA's on parliamentary votes. This way we aren't creating more jobs for politicians than there are already. Any legislation that has a regional component to it in taxation or infrastructure planning ect would go to a Senate vote of 7-MLA/Senators made up of one MLA/Senator for each of 7 distinct regions of BC... where 5 votes are required for any approval of regional sensitive legislation (almost all of it). There would be no popular elected premier, but the position would be much diminished in light of the new check on the system... in effect 7 premiers from the 7 regions of the province. This could still be done rather easily without messing up the parliamentary system we already have, but it is structural and BC-STV is all about the ballot.
"MrPG, I bet you vote for him."

Wrong again, not my riding. Care to make any other guesses?

You're more than welcome to your opinion re: the STV system, it's clear nothing will sway you. I've done a fair amount of reading on the system and found it has far more flaws than benefits. So the Citizen's Assembly came up with the conclusion that this is 'the best'... so what?

Again I say if this system had any merit, it would be in use in more places than Ireland. And no, I don't buy into your conspiracy theory that politicians worldwide are somehow the ones holding this down.
"Once we have MLA's that are true patrons to their ridings"....
That's it in a nutshell Eagleone.
Under the present system,our MLA's are under the direct control of the party leader and they do as they are told.
Or else.
They do not speak out on issues that may or may not have the support of their leader (in this case,Gordon Campbell) and what is important in their home ridings is of little consequence in Victoria.
It still comes down to the same thing, we elect an MLA to represent the riding and US, not the party.
And not necessarily what the party leader thinks.
We had no control over who that leader even was.
The party leader who also happens to be the Premier, does not live here and never will.
He has no clue.
In Campbell's case,he barely even knows where we are geographically.
He sees only the lower mainland and anything outside that is a pain in the ass, to be tolerated and nothing more.
To them we are rednecks and rebels, not "team" players.
The location of the bulk of the gross expenditures by the Campbell government show that in spades.
"In Campbell's case,he barely even knows where we are geographically."

Well, that's a bit unkind! You mean when his airplane landed at (and took off from) P.G. Airport several times during 2008 he had no clue as to where he was and he didn't wonder why he was getting that pain in his backside? Oh, I forget, he has no clue.

BTW: The majority of B.C. residents lives in the lower mainland and it too has its share of rednecks and rebels,i.e. plenty.

"In Campbell's case he barely even knows where we are geographically"

Seriously? I can honestly say that I don't think I've seen as much focus on our area from a Provincial political party as we have with the current Libs. Campbell himself has been up here on numerous occasions, our MLA's have held fairly high level positions in the government and we've also received fairly significant chunks of dough for various causes, among other things.

While I certainly don't agree with all of the policies of the Liberals, I think it's extremely inaccurate to suggest that we've basically been ignored or that they aren't aware of where we are. IMHO they are leaps and bounds ahead of past Provincial governments in that regard.
Ammonra:- "There is, in fact, a means to force a referendum on an issue if sufficient voters band together. People forget that it is the "Recall and INITIATIVES Act". Perhaps what is really needed is for the initiatives process to be made easier."

I think the intent of the "Intiatives" part of that existing legislation is intended as a way for citizens to propose something new that may be desired by the majority.

For good reason we have made that somewhat difficult to do.

The various "Propositions" that are offered up regularly in many US States, where the process is a great deal easier than here, have often led to things happening that, if their effects had been properly foreseen, could hardly be described as what the majority ever would have intended.

What I had in mind is a simpler process which allows voters to petition for a chance to directly vote on specific new legislation the Government has already enacted, and overturn it.

It certainly wouldn't be used on every issue, or to usurp the normal function of the Legislature.

But on controversial issues where there was often no specific mandate given, like the sale of BC Rail, for instance, or hosting the Olympics, or whether we really want a Carbon Tax, it would be far more democratic for us to have a chance to 'veto' those things if they didn't meet the approval of most British Columbians. Before they are irrevocably foisted on us.

I don't personally like STV. For the very reasons so ably expressed above by many others. And several more which they, and I, have often expressed elsewhere.

I would much prefer we retain what we have, FPP, get rid of that "fixed election date", which is an American concept completely out of place in a Parliamentary system where government is supposed to always be "responsible" as well as "representative". And bring in a functional "Voter's Veto" instead.

Any government still strongly committed to a proposal that has been directly 'vetoed' by the voters, can take its case to the voters by calling a general election on the issue if it is still determined to proceed with it as something absolutely necessary.
I notice the talking points for the no to STV camp always seems to go along the line of what Socred wrote above...

"I don't personally like STV. For the very reasons so ably expressed above by many others. And several more which they, and I, have often expressed elsewhere."

lol This is a hard thing to argue against. Its like the phantom reason why? MrPG said the same thing for the reason 'clearly stated above' lol. I find that an odd way to oppose something. I have yet to see any of these people actually state their actual reasoning.....
Ammonra: "Quoting Diplomat, "To keep within their stated budgets? Wasn't it the job (as you put it) of the NDP to stay within its stated budgets as well? "

Now you immediately shift gears:

"I know that Liberal supporters can't accept that the Campbell Liberals are ever responsible for anything, and always try and turn it around to hold the NDP responsible in some fashion, but really....!"

Do you notice, ammonra, that in your reply you did NOT answer or address the question itself? Nice job.

I'll ask it again: "Wasn't it the job (as you put it) of the NDP to stay within its stated budgets as well?"

It was you that insists that governments must stay within their stated budgets.

But really. The Liberals have done plenty of things wrong, including following up and implementing Clarke's idea of hosting the Olympics. (Read Mr. Ewert's latest contribution). They sold the BCR when they had promised that they wouldn't. The Convention Center is way over budget, and there are quite a few other boondoggles.

Now, Sir, it is your turn to admit a few of the NDP's past boondoggles!

Can't think of any? Well, looks like I made my point.
"lol This is a hard thing to argue against. Its like the phantom reason why? MrPG said the same thing for the reason 'clearly stated above' lol."

I don't see any reasons why the STV is a good thing, but mind you, I don't bother reading Eagle's three page long posts. Maybe that's your problem Eagle... you don't read any posts other than your own.
Socredible, your last post is a good one. I don't like STV either. Too many hypotheticals.
Eagle, the STV is like "buying a pig in a poke" so long as "Parties" are involved in the equation, and by our vote we are trying to decide more than one thing at a time.

It's like Diplomat has just said, there are too many hypotheticals. The main one being, just "what" did we give those we voted for a mandate to do? Do we really know?

FPP does give an adequate indication of the direction the country wishes to go in. It isn't perfect, no system is. I'd like to see "None of the Above" at the bottom of every ballot myself, with a place for our "X" beside if if we don't like anything we're being offered. Others aver that wouldn't be practical.

But by having a Voter's Veto over specific areas of govenrment policy we are able to express what we DON'T want done. We're not interfering with the politicians legitimate right to propose policy or methods.

Federally, for instance, many people may think that the Conservatives are better able to govern than the Liberals or NDP, but they may be abjectly opposed to, say, continuing the war in Afghanistan.

This allows them, if there are enoungh other people who feel the same way, to pass judgement on that policy. And if Stephen Harper, for whatever reasons, decides that continuing a war against the wishes of the majority is absolutely necessary to the continued well-being of Canada, he can make his case to the voters for that in a general election if he determined to continue to wage war.