Too little, too late by the Van Oord's.

move Cadillac to Alberta. Plenty of rednecks out there.

good, that bar is a s*^t hole anyway. take the genny too.

I will support the Cadillac staying. We don't have many places where we can go dance & have a few drinks with friends. I've been there many times with my husband and we always enjoy ourselves. The music is good and everyone is always very sociable. I've never had any problems. We only hear about the occasional problem down there and that's going to happen at any bar. There are many more times when it's fun and the times are good. It's too bad we didn't hear about those good times. The press only ever prints the negatives.

Not going to miss it at all

Flatten it and a few others in that area!

Time to rethink about how many drinking establishments are needed in PG.

Let's just bring back prohibition, it worked soooo well last time.
The Ranch ain't my cup of meat either, but this town is already seriously lacking in nitelife.

Death to social engineering.

I haven't been there since some drunk guy with a huge belt buckle tried to fight me because I wasn't doing "his" stupid country dance properly . . . LOL. Ah the memories.

TOo bad for the Van Oord's. If you want to be an absentee owner (ie: crack shacks in the VLA) then accept the consequences.
I don't know of many nightclubs in town that will get their buisness license renewed after they are "reputedly" caught by the police with a significantly large quantity of controlled drugs in the back office, nor when their own bouncers are "reputedly" dealing same during club hours.

mill closures and shut downs.
major manufacturers going bankrupt.
support service slowing down due to previously mentioned.
downtown revitalization going no where due to indecision.

now we have non-patrons encouraging the demise of a legitimate business that has been in continuous operation supporting numerous employees and their families for longer than many posters have breathing. Now there are going to more service workers on the dole competing for fewer jobs.

Ok, there were some shenanigans by some employees that were handled by the authorities. Absentee business owners are common, I don't see the president of canfor having an office at any local mill.

I can understand if you do not wish to patronize this type of establishment or be any where near that life style. If you do not frequent the place and you do not live near it,then I do not believe that you should be cheering on the demise of someones business, livelihood, or employer. It is too bad that the real stakeholders have not been heard from.

To be clear, I do not and have rarely ever been in there as I do not care for country music or urban cowboys(girls). I do support
individual choice and independent business.

Well said Loki! You are absolutely right. If it does close, more people will be out of work and another business in PG will be closed. This also means no more tax dollars from the employees and the business. The city will also lose revenue which will have to be made up somehow meaning it will have to come out of our pockets.

John and Ivy ran the Cadillac Ranch for over 25 years without incident. It used to be called the Rock Pit when they took over. John and Ivy decided to move to Alberta in 2007 to be closer to family for various personal and health issues. In the summer of 2007 John and Ivy were approached by a group lead by one indivdual in particular to purchase the Shares of the business. An agreement was entered into and the parties carried forward. Part of that agreement was that John would Vendor Finance the Purchaser and the Purchaser would run the club and make the payments over time. The club was handed over in August of 2007. John continued to hold some security, but the deal was done.

Based on that agreement John and Ivy moved to Alberta. Part of that Agreement was that the Purchasers had to ensure that the goodwill of the business was maintained until the final payments were made to John and Ivy. Goodwill to the City of Prince George and the Liquor Board and the citizens and other stakeholders involved.

In mid March they were served with a Notice that the City was going to take steps to terminate the Lease Agreement. John asked why of City officials and they would not talk to him stating that they did not have to disclose their reasons for terminating the lease. It was not until John read the articles at the beginning of April and received other documentation from authorities on April 1 did he realize that the problem was due to the new owers. With his business (security at risk) John termianted the agreement with the Purcahsers. John never received his money. He got taken for a ride. And now the City wants it shut down.

The new owners, Purchasers really did a number on John and Ivy. They destroyed the relationships and goodwill of the business with the City and Liquor Board and the RCMP and John didn't even get paid for the business. The Mayor even stated in the Citizen that he was concerned about Public Safety and wanted PG to be one of the safest cities to live in.

John and Ivy have moved back to Prince Geoge and have kicked out the new Purchasers and retaken the Caddy. John is ready to run the club again and restore it to what it was before (safe) and is ready to take steps to increase security in the club and keep the gangs out. He wants to work hand in hand with the City, RCMP and Liquor Board. He is talking about metal detectors, criminal records checks on employees, and cameras in and out of the club with full access and cooperation with the RCMP to sweep the place if neeeded. John wants to work with Rogers to make this one of the safest clubs in Canada.
The new Cadillac will work with the Downtown revitailzation and not be a burden for the downtown, but an asset for musicians and the community to enjoy an enhanced quality of life.

If the City throws the book at John and Ivy they will loose everything. Their life's work down the toilet. And they didn't even do anything!! They just picked the wrong people to go into busines with. The Purchasers looked attractive to John because they had business experience in the community with other liquor establishments and they had education and connections. John didn't realize that this would happen. He got taken BIG TIME!!

Punish the right people if you are going to. Why punish John and Ivy?

It's like a lanlord who rents his house to a tenant and then the tenant puts a grow op in the place and ruins it. Is it the Landlords fault?

Support these people and campaign City Council and the Mayor to do the right thing. Give John and Ivy a chance.

As bohemian stated "too little too late". The owners should have been thinking about the possibility of employees losing their jobs and they their business when they were turning a blind eye to what was really going on there AND now it's the city fault? I don't think so! Good riddance. I do however agree that this city could use a new, clean and current dance club.

While I do feel for the owners, it seems as though they should have gotten more as collateral from the "Purchaser" in order to protect themselves from the possibility of the "Purchaser" ruining their goodwill.

I agree with Greta. It would be excellent if someone would step up and provide a nice, clean, current and safe bar in this town. Maybe one targeted towards university students and/or young professionals in Prince George, who really have no place to call their own.

Harsh!

Better not have the CPG as a landlord.

Well if you read what was posted above, it seems as though the owners effectively loaned the "Purchaser" a huge sum of money, with the only security being their ability to retake the bar. Isn't this just like giving someone a loan to buy your dinner from you, using said dinner as collateral? Then the dinner is gone, along with any security you had, and you're still hungry.

I'd say the best chance for the owner to recoup some money is to go after whatever lawyer drafted this horrible sale agreement, if what was posted above is correct.

Wolfie,

Sounds to me, if the above information is correct that the lawyer did his job but that the Purchaser didn't do his part. Actually it sounds like the Purchaser really messed things up by putting all the assets at risk. What can you do when you go into business with people like that. Tough mistake.

Seems to be from Van Oord's perspective that the best thing to do would be to sue the Purchaser and seize his assets quickly to recover the damages if the city doesn't cooperate.

Tough position. Hopefully the City will give the Van Oords another chance.

My daughter said she stop going there because employees there were selling drugs to clients. I think the truth is our City of PG should not be doing business with any business that can't run a respectable and law abiding business.

I have never been to the ranch but i still can't see the city deciding to close it down without having some pretty good reasons. \if they have em, then lets see em. \if they dont then they have no reason, and in my view no right to non-renew the licence. I realize i am likely on poor footing legally but in terms of fairness.... I dont agree with the city wrecking established businesses without compensation.

I encourage all who do care about a better down town to contact the Mayor and just say NO to rescinding the decision to not renew the lease of the CR.

Give the Van Ords a chance to make it right. We need some kind of entertainment in this berg.