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The Greater Good For Who?

By Ben Meisner

Monday, May 11, 2009 03:45 AM

There is always the line that the position taken was for the,” greater good”, now that may be applicable in many cases or at the very least some sort of an argument could be made in favour of the move, but look at the testimony of the RCMP at the Braidwood inquiry, and try and explain to me what possibly could be the "greater good" in the their actions in the death of Robert Dziekanski?

From the moment the four officers set foot in the Vancouver airport until they appeared before former Justice Braidwood, the whole affair has the word "smear" written all over it.

Superintendent Wayne Rideout, the senior officer in the investigation testified that, “we withheld the truth to protect the facts”. Instead the RCMP said, Dziekanski had become combative and the police used the tazer twice, wrong, completely wrong, but Rideout didn’t want the facts to get in the way of the investigation. "We would taint the witness account that’s why we withheld the information" Rideout says, again the interest of the greater good for whom?

Who is the police officer who went to Poland to interview neighbours, or anyone who could shed a bad light on Dziekanski to a point that one witness in Poland refused to talk to the RCMP?  It was  Superintendent Wayne Rideout. What was he trying to obtain in Poland that could possibly have any bearing on what four of his officers had done to Dziekanski, and why his department was lying over the facts?

Can you just image what kind of a line would have been spun had that live video not be taken, or for some unknown reason the camera was returned with the video missing?  The problem with that video was that it was shown to a few people before being grabbed up by police and we all know that they didn’t want to return the video until court action was threatened.

Blaming Dzieknaski’s death on the airport staff or other support workers at the airport might get you a casual comment, the reality is that four burley cops decided to tazer a guy five times, hold him on the ground and when he was dead, try and spin a story. It didn’t work in this case, problem is, how many times has it worked in other cases, and were those instances also for the greater good?

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.  


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The greater good for the RCMP is unaccountable power so as to enable immunity for their members from the rule of law... the same rule of law they are tasked with administering to the rest of us. Its a cultural ideology within the force itself that is enabled by politicians that have an 'us' (political elite), verse 'them' (the people) complex in the way the political elite view their role in this country.

We need politicians that take government accountability seriously to change the culture from one of 'the greater good' to one of the rule of law applied equally to all citizens of all professions (including the RCMP and white collar crimes) with no exceptions.

Since our elections are wholly owned events of the government employee unions and the corporations... we therefore do not have politicians that are independent enough to freely advocate the rule of law when it conflicts with 'party financing and political power' (the greater good).
Well said Eagleone,I agree completely!
Good post Ben!
The rot in the RCMP is but a small part of the whole organization however the rest of the force are allowing themselves to be tainted with the foul smell of a few of their members.
The general population of the force needs to come together and firmly show they are not all the rough shod fools that powered into the airport that night. They need to show that they are not the weavers of tales good only to save their own skins like Superintendent Wayne Rideout seems to be.
The good men and women of the RCMP need to take back the reins of power and return the force to the greatness it once was. If they do not, then that great force will become but a footnote in the history of law enforcement.
The rot in the RCMP is but a small part of the whole organization however the rest of the force are allowing themselves to be tainted with the foul smell of a few of their members.
The general population of the force needs to come together and firmly show they are not all the rough shod fools that powered into the airport that night. They need to show that they are not the weavers of tales good only to save their own skins like Superintendent Wayne Rideout seems to be.
The good men and women of the RCMP need to take back the reins of power and return the force to the greatness it once was. If they do not, then that great force will become but a footnote in the history of law enforcement.
No one is satisfied with the results of this investigation to date.

As a citizen, I call for a public enquiry.
Or a Royal Commission.....

We'll never get to the bottom of this without.

Time to clean house at the RCMP
The rot in the RCMP is but a small part of the whole organization however the rest of the force are allowing themselves to be tainted with the foul smell of a few of their members.
The general population of the force needs to come together and firmly show they are not all the rough shod fools that powered into the airport that night. They need to show that they are not the weavers of tales good only to save their own skins like Superintendent Wayne Rideout seems to be.
The good men and women of the RCMP need to take back the reins of power and return the force to the greatness it once was. If they do not, then that great force will become but a footnote in the history of law enforcement.
Unfortunately skabowl, the good men and women of the RCMP are not the ones in management levels.
They break the law everyday. Just watch them drive their private cars. They all have perfect driving records, as do their wives and families, but not because they're perfect drivers, just because they don't ticket each other.

Watch them come out of the policeman's ball and get into their cars and drive away. If perhaps they're in an accident, it's covered up. No breathlizer, no charges, no record.

Look at that Monte Robinson, he knew that the way to beat an impaired driving charge was to have (or pretend to have) a drink between the time of the accident, and the time of the breathlizer. Watch him, he'll get off because of it.
The world we live in is filled with people who will not speak the truth no matter what the circumstance...mostly because the truth has a tendency to hurt both the tellers and the receivers of truth....but truth still needs to be told. A bigger part of the problem is that most people do not even know what the truth is anymore. People lie to protect themselves, others or for their own personal gain. In this case the RCMP organization (not just the on the scene RCMP officers) appears to be lying for all of the reasons listed above. Part of the RCMP pre screening selection process requires that you pass a lie detector test. I wonder if the RCMP actually select the liars rather than the tellers of the truth as the future new RCMP members...now wouldn't that be a scandal, perhaps someone should check into this, I'm sure records are kept of the screening process.
I firmly believe that these types of incidents have occurred many times before, but have been covered up and kept away from the public eye. Remember, the collector and holder of evidence has the power to manipulate it, as they see fit depending on circumstance, this evidence is what is eventually considered truth in the court of law.
The Robert Dziekanski situation may be but one of many similar incidents that have occurred that were also considered to be a one time incidents that was done at the hands of officers who report to a scene where similar poor decisions have been made.
I strongly believe that there should be a team put together to review the RCMP activity over the years (a public inquiry if you will of this indecent and of historical activity) to find out just how prevalent this type of activity is and who, if anyone was held accountable in the many similar type cases I'm sure they will find. The words "official denial" may describe all that is found but that should not stop the process.
The little remaining faith I had in the RCMP has been replace with disgust, anger and a complete removal of the respect that I once had for the police force. My feelings are not just directed at the on the scene officers but at the whole organization and everyone in it.
As far as the greater good is concerned, I have one question...who decides what the greater good should be? I know that I wasn't asked what it should be, were you?

I say once again....we need to remove the RCMP as our policing contractor and install a new policing organization.
Windingo...........perhaps you have heard of the saying, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water? You need only look at the history of the Vancouver police force to know that "anything but the RCMP" is not a good approach. That is not to say the the Vancouver force is in a bad place right now but they certainly have a past that is not the envy of any force.
The RCMP has an excellent history but they have clearly gone down the wrong path in the last few years.

In many ways, Imorge hits the nail on the head. The upper management have bred a culture and that management, and the culture, both need to be changed! Having said that, lets keep the many good parts of the RCMP. Lets tear down the rickety structure and build anew on what is a very solid foundation.
Windingo...........perhaps you have heard of the saying, Don't throw the baby out with the bath water? You need only look at the history of the Vancouver police force to know that "anything but the RCMP" is not a good approach. That is not to say the the Vancouver force is in a bad place right now but they certainly have a past that is not the envy of any force.
The RCMP has an excellent history but they have clearly gone down the wrong path in the last few years.

In many ways, Imorge hits the nail on the head. The upper management have bred a culture and that management, and the culture, both need to be changed! Having said that, lets keep the many good parts of the RCMP. Lets tear down the rickety structure and build anew on what is a very solid foundation.
I agree with Imorge...the problem is not with the rank and file members as such.
Problem is,they are the ons who take the heat.
Sure there is exceptions for a few bad cops,but the real problem is up at the top.
Like any large corporation,it is only as good as it's upper management, and the RCMP needs a complete housecleaning starting at the top with Elliott,who has been a complete failure, and working on down.
The street cops will only ever be as good as the twits giving them direction!
Of course the problem is the rank and file members, the 4 officers who attended the Vancouver airport are rank and file members. Members are afraid of the repercussions of being honest and providing evidence against a fellow officer but being afraid of the consequences of doing the right thing is no excuse, police officers have to be held to a higher standard. There is an obvious conspiracy to obstruct justice that continues today, it's time to clean house at the RCMP. I recommend indictments and incarceration in general population for these lying scumbags, I hear Milhaven is nice at this time of year.

It's telling that the RCMP always says the video speaks for itself when talking about an accused criminal. But then we're supposed to wait until all the facts are know before judging the RCMP in this case? Double standard much?