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Lets Have Some Questions Answered

By Ben Meisner

Thursday, July 23, 2009 03:45 AM

It is hard to believe that three police officers could speed, and  drive erratically,(keeping in mind that this is only an allegation) without one of the three suggesting to the other two that they are breaking the law. We must say these are allegations only because, the public has not been told what took place, whether charges were laid and why the officers are now suspended from driving.

It is hard to believe that someone who is hired to uphold the law can feel that they are somehow above that law.

It is even harder to believe that a police cruiser unable to catch three speeding motorcycles had to call off that pursuit for safety reasons and yet no infraction was written when they were finally stopped. It is hard to believe that none of the three should face charges of obstructing justice and dangerous driving if the accounts of the witnesses who reported their driving are to be believed.

But then consider this; dangerous driving is a criminal offence, so is obstruction of justice. Now we all know in the latter it is a catch all used by police for example in the Ian Bush death, where he was charged with obstruction of justice for giving a false name when asked by a police officer. Bush would have faced a record which would have prohibited him from visiting the USA and some other countries.

Now when you read the account of the Provincial Integrated Traffic Services looking for more witnesses as to the manner in which the trio was driving on May 15th- at about 5.40pm. In which they talk about an officer "attempted to stop the three but did not engage in a pursuit." That suggests they were travelling too fast so the officer in question decided that, in the interest of safety, there would be no pursuit.

Now the second version issued yesterday says that North District Traffic services, working speed enforcement, encountered three motorcyclists, not quite the same as the original story. The manner of pursuit is handled also differently. In that, in the second release we are told the police officer saw that the trio were pulling away and the police officer ,”shut down”, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Then,”the officer radioed ahead to another police officer who stopped the three motorcycles”. Very careful here not to say that a road block had not been set up and if not, why not?

Why then were no charges laid at the scene of the trio being finally pulled over? Can you see yourself doing what has been described and not being written, at the very least a ticket, or facing a criminal charge?

The whole affair smacks of police media management. The event took place on May 15th but not a peep until it was brought to light on July 21st. Then a media release presented that would even get Brian Mulroney smiling.

The whole incident smells, and required more than a brush by investigation. The problem is however those investigations in the past few years which involved the RCMP have done little to deliver justice in the eyes of the public. This investigation will be the same. Police officers stopping police officers and then further investigating their own. It doesn’t have a good smell about it.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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Why does the press have to milk this for all it is worth? The mighty dollar I suppose.
Why do we have two applications of the law... one for the rest of us and one for the police and their politicians (ie missing e-mails)?
BCRacer..Great name ....Are one of the 3 Officers, Or just one of their Friends that do not Obey the Laws while Racing.
I wonder if the facts surrounding the Dziekanski death would be known today if it had not been for the media focusing and prying into the matter. I wonder if the BC rail sale would have been swept under the counter. I wonder if the fact that a former Prime Minister received cash in a Swiss bank would be known. I wonder if we the people would have known that one of the same officers who was involved in Dziekanski death had driven a vehicle while drunk and had killed a person. Or on the local front just what happens with our money at City Hall.
Keep digging media, that’s one of the main reasons that you are read or listened to, to see what really took place. Until we know the full story of the trio of speeders don’t give up the ship, no matter what BC RACER, would have you believe.
officers have no freinds just special buddies to bend da rules
I agree, the press does more good than harm and we need them. But I do get sick of the constant attention paid to celebrity.
metalman.
my racing is, actually was, done in legal venues thank you very much mr mackenzie. I no longer race...
No I am not one of the officers, nor am I an officer.

No my point simply is that every time something happens where a police officer is involved the press beats it to death for days and days. If they did that to any other person I feel they could find themselves possibly up with harassment charges.

In no way am I in support of anyone police or other breaking the law.

If I should see this happening to anyone else in the press you can bet I will make my feeling know there as well.

I suppose I am a proponent of fair play...
have a good day all.
RCMP in BC are not allowed to start pursuits for motor vehicle act offenses. It's their policy because unless for a very serious criminal offense and to prevent further ones from occuring. Many times a crash is involved and there is no need for an innocent or non involved member of the public to be hurt. The phrase "shut down" means to terminate any pursuit.

Yes, if the three motorcyclists were off duty police, then they should be held accountable. If they were racing their motorcycles, then the motor vehicle act permits the superintendant of motor vehicles to issue an immediate Driver's license suspension. That plus any administrative sanctions under the RCMP act will more than deal with these guys if in fact they were off duty members.

Another thing, unless their driving privilages are no longer suspended, a condition of employment in the RCMP is that they be able to drive police transport. So....you can take it from there.

But just because they may or may not be off duty police officers, they are still canadian citizens and are allowed due process of law....under the Motor Vehicle Act, or anything else.

Finally when something "smells" as Mr. Meisner puts it, it's usually from the media spreading the poop.
Excellent post, lmorge.
Much obliged MrPG. It puts the Supt. of the detachment in a limbo position. Butterwork Carr has to decide what to do with these officers who are prohibited from driving in BC for 4 months. These guys may or may not be suspended by the Commanding officer of the division as by the time the internal investigation is complete, the Prohibition will be over and the members can then drive again.

Now, unless for a very serious criminal offense allegation, the members involved cannot be suspended without pay because they have the right of due process. The RCMP has a duty to act fairly in these matters because hey, the guys may have mortgages to pay, families to feed, etc....just like the rest of us.

The head honcho of human resources (administrative)down in vancouver could take a different action as a condition of employment is that all rcmp members have a valid drivers license. So, who knows what could happen there....

I feel that the RCMP in this matter have been very transparent in that this situation was not swept under the rug. We are only being made aware of it now but its been going on for some time. Like all canadians, the RCMP members have privacy rights and until some decision becomes public record, we have to wait.

So, Supt. Butterworth-Carr is doing what she can with these bodies...putting them to work walking the beat or in the call taker role, which is an operational position anyways.