In my opinion VANOC is a front for globalist fascists. The Olympic movement no longer is about an ideal of community and sport, but rather about the advancement of globalist fascism in the name of the Olympics... and our liberal leadership is drinking all their cool-aid they can buy with our tax dollars.

Vanoc owns the trademark right to the year? Vanoc has the right to enter peoples homes to remove protest signs during the games? Vanoc is involved in social policy that has no relation to their sporting event? Vanoc is about using every agency of our government they can to secure monopolist laws and policies that run rough shoed over free enterprise, the Charter of Rights, and even our democracy and how we fiscally plan our future.

We subsidize this private corporation to the tune of $6 Billion dollars and call it a government investment for government services? Who does this service if the average people are bared from any economic enterprise that can even in the most vaguest sense be construed by the tax payer funded Vanoc legal team to infringe in even the most erroneous of circumstances on the monopoly business arrangements of the fascist globalist Olympic corpocracy? What are the economic benefits to the people of BC? These Olympics are for the corporate shareholders of the Olympics.

The Olympic movement has become a movement for monopoly capitalism that infects its host governments like a fascist symbiotic alien sucking the life out of anything and anyone that gets in the way of their agenda. Its almost as if the Olympic movement via Vanoc is our government....

That kind of sums up how I feel about the olympics too, Eagle One.
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I agree with what was said above and would like to add that the tax payers pay for the 1,000.00 a night rooms for each Vanoc member through the event. They all need a limo. They each have 5 or more aids that need transportation, to be fed and accommodations. All the above is part of the deal that the host city agrees to before they even get the event. They live like kings on the tax payer’s dime. Who are they? If I had a say on where any tax payer money should go it would be to the athletes. So much wasted money when so many are homeless and hungry. It is a party for the riche and it will never be anything else with greedy people like Vanoc at the helm. And again people just let this all take place without even a whimper. Our governments on all levels waste money like this, pay themselves out of this world wages and waste, waste, waste. Because WE allow it.

Fascist .... fascist ... fascist ....

Nice slurring word ..... fashist ....fashist ... fashist ...

Apparently George Orwell wrote in 1944:

"The word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print.

I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else... almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’."

Eagleone, you are obsessed with fascism to the point where anything you write that has the word in it is not taken seriously.

"We subsidize this private corporation to the tune of $6 Billion dollars and call it a government investment for government services?"

Please humour me an track the $6billion for me. Just remember, do not include built infrastructure directly or indirectly associated with the Olympics that stays here and will be used by BC.

1. Canada Line - $2 billion
2. Sea to Sky improvements.- $1billion
3. New Convention facilities - $1billion.
4. Athlete's village - to be sold for condos
5. Speed skating oval - to be converted to ice rinks
6. Security - $1 billion - much to BC residents who will have new income.

Chicago had the same Olympic hype. Every city in the last 50 or so years has had that. Every city uses the event for a way to get things they need or want.

Aty least, unlike Montreal, the money here was not wasted on a single stadium and some French Architect's wild dreams of how to build a stadium with a retractable roof and a Mayor who believed in him.

Of course, today we have tons of enclosed stadiums accross North America built for the pleasures of the viewing audience that often number more than the population of Prince George, usually at the cost of the taxpayers of the city involved.

Bunch of fascist city governments taking the money from the pockets of the poor and giving it to some pea brained, testosterone overloaded, so called "athletes". :-)

Now there is a waste!!!!!!

BTW, here is the link to the Chicago "dream" that did not happen.

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/study-forecasts-22-5-billion-in-new-economic-activity

Makes the 2010 winter olympics look puny.

Perhaps we should explore a different notion.

Should small communities such as Prince George be shipped the homeless? Can someone look at that seriously and objectively to see whether that would benefit the homeless and whether it would benefit the community both economically and socially.

In order to answer that properly, one would first have to realize that there are many types of "homeless" people and deal with each type separately.

Then we would need to look at the conditions required to improve the situation for each group.

The we would need to look at which group would benefit the most from being in a small rather than a large community.

Then look at how PG might benefit economically and socially from providing new facilties, new service jobs, etc.

Finally, once all the info is gathered, take a step back and objectively see if there is a better fit in small urban BC than there is in large urban BC.

Of course, we could also call anything like that "social engineering" and fascism if we want to burry our heads in the sand.

"Survival of the fittest". Is there a nice prejorative word like "fascism" that we can use for people who look at the world in that fashion? Some come to mind, but this post would be censored.

I guess what should be done is talk to the street people and see how many have come from the lower mainland. I would like to know if they are that they are aware of the winters here. It concerns me that some could be in danger due to this. Every human life is important and has a purpose in life. I hope to God that all street people/homeless find a warm place to lay their heads this winter.

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City of PG job creation.

I also agree with Eagleone!
It really is all about capitalism.

"Capitalism" itself is really only a way of fixing "prices" in relation to "costs".

Though like "fascism" it's become a catch-all word for descibing a lot of things other than its original meaning.

As I understand it,"fascism" is simply one of many similar "-isms" that hold that the "group" is more important than the "individuals" that comprise it.

Militarism, socialism, communism, and numerous other "-isms" all share the same philosophy in that respect. That human associations are made to serve the "association" itself rather than those actually associating.

Social Credit has been mis-labelled as "fascism" in the past, because of some of the actions of the two so-called "Social Credit" Parties that once formed governments here and in Alberta.

Neither of those Parties, whatever their considerable "good" accomplishments while in office, were ever completely compatible with Social Credit ideology, which holds that all "systems were made for man, not man for systems."

Do you suppose Rio is knowledgeable as to what's gonna happen at Olympic time? Or are they different?

Oh.. my ... god! I agree with Gus! People ought to refrain from yelling fascist unless they know what it means and then only when actually applicable.
I also think its an excellent example of thinking outside the box to suggest that making prince george a centre for homeless services (presumably with the intent of making them non homeless) might be an opportunity rather than a curse.
I dont know that it is a four letter word to have the survival of the fittest point of view. I dont know of many people in the west who dont treat their own gene pool with preference over stragers'. I also dont know of many folks who work hard in order to send all their money (above the minimum required for the necessities of life) to the poor of other countries. Life (all life) is, in essence survival of the fittest. Of course, 'survival of the fittest ' is pretty meaningless as well since 'fitness' can only be defined as the ability to survive. So what we are saying is : survival of those who survive.

The best way to deal with the Olympics is to ignore them. Hopefully we wont see them again for years to come. The whole concept is sick. I wouldnt attend one of their functions on bet. The atheletes are just pawns in a bigger game. (money)

There is a huge drive on in Vancouver to get the homeless, drunks, addicts, etc; off the streets so that we can pretend to the world that we dont have a huge homeless, drunk, addiction ;problem. The mere fact that we are willing to pay millions to hide the truth, shows you that we have not come a long way. Seems it takes something like the Olympics, and foreign visitors, to get us to do something.

We inadvertantly will solve the homeless problem in the short term, however once the games are over, we will no doubt allow these people to return to their respective areas.

I think that the Government has a plan in place to force these people off the streets, and in fact they have passed new laws that allow them to incarcerate people for their own good during winter months.

I suspect people will be given the choice of spending time in jail, or time in some sort of a recovery program. Sending some to Prince George, and other Cities outside the lower mainland could very well be part of the plan.

Let us all welcome the homeless in February! Nothing like a cold night on George Street in downtown Prince George, at around minus twenty degrees!

By that time the Prince George Hotel will be demolished by the new owners....where will they live?

M.Krause is the one who really cares about the homeless and babbles continuous rhetoric regarding them. He has a nice place down by the Nechako--maybe he could put a few of them up for the winter?? A short stay might curb his compassion.

I would like to say that all the homeless I have spoken with, I have asked where they are from. The answers have never been from the South but always here or North and West. If I was homeless, PG wouldn't seem like a good destination to me.

Fascism is entirely appropriate for a characterization of Vanoc if one understands the definition of fascism, rather than making up the definition to suit ones own purposes.

Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the government and the fascist movement (ie Vanoc). It is a corporate monopolist ideaology that that sees its movement from a exceptionism persception that will stop at no expediencies to secure its goals. Fascism in its economic form is the intent of politics to secure monopolist economic agenda at the expense of a free enterprise market that is protected by the rule of law.

Vanoc fits the bill as an enabler of fascist policies and from a globalist perspective lures in the hoast nations and then uses the Olympic movement to foreward their precident setting policies on the hoast nation. One only has to look at the bid process to see this process in action. If you wanted to create conditions for a fascist policy you wouldn't advertise it as such as promoted by Hitler or Mussolini, but rather use a Trojan horse that is accepted by all (Olympic movement)... and use that as the tool to impliment policies that would otherwise never stand up to the scrutiny of a free people.

Eagle, "fascism", like the other "-isms" previously mentioned that are based on the same philosophy, is the embodiement of the "workhouse" State.

Those who call for "full employment" ~ more production, longer hours, endlessly harder work ~ when there is absolutely no way the PRESENT "glut" of product can ever be sold at the full 'financial' costs of its making, let alone what they hope to further add to it ~ are inadvertantly advocating "fascism".

Hitler and Mussolini BOTH began their regimes advocating "full employment" ~ and they were both able to create it. For a while.

Hitler even had an Olympic Games in 1936, with all the usual accoutrements, to help the process along.

But neither he, nor Mussolini could sustain that "full employment" in a modern, machine power, mass production, 'industrial' economy without finding a new way to "distribute incomes" that would still always be dependent solely on "work".

The only option open to either of them in pursuit of this perverted policy of endless "work" was to make armaments, and engage in war. To "waste" what couldn't be sold.
And we're right back on that same path today.

Hitler was an evil monster, but his monetary policy was light years ahead of what we have today. His monetary policy is what made Germanies rise possible with its basis on labor, rather than a fiat currency. Its why Britain engineered WW2 with their Polish guarantee for war. Its why total war was waged on Germany at a time when Stalin had 60 million Christian dead already on his hands from his Great Terror. The banksters that financed both those evil monsters saw Germany as the greater threat because of their monetary policy, where as Soviet Stalin had no clue to monetary policy and was reliant on 'Western' bankers.

Your claim socredible on the other hand seems like a giant stretch to me. The cost of production thing you are stuck on is not a universal law of economics as you suggest. Unique circumstances each have their own cost payoff ratio's. Yes over production happens, often as part of a strategy for market share, but ultimately it is accounted for... it has nothing to do with fascism, communism or any of the other ism's... the ism's are simply provocateur ideologies designed to corral mindless people into segments of society that can be easily influenced politically... all ism's are in effect agents for the banksters and as such they all have the same genus of purpose, just a different road to get there IMO.

tit for tat
ship them all back
Add few a more
no more vagrants in the downtown core

Just like the Yanks who want a "country of origin" nailed to a side of beef, maybe we here should demand the homeless have tattoos stating where they are from. Might make whining a bit easier for us.

Hitler's monetary policy, FYI Eagle, was entirely 'orthodox'. Wall Street and the Bank of England provided the financing, without which Hitler, and the whole Nazi Party would have remained no more than an "also ran". And the build up for war would also have been financially impossible without outside support from those same sources.

The Nazi's did later fool around with what was known as "the State Theory of Money" on an experimental basis, (in one of their concentration camps, actually), but they were less innovative in their actual war and pre-war financing methods than even the Allies were.

To base any modern monetary policy on "Labour" is utterly ridiculous in an age when "Capital" (the 'Labour of the PAST')is constantly, and increasingly, displacing "labour", and CURRENT "labour" incomes.

The PRODUCTION problem has long ago been solved. We can overproduce just about anything you care to name. And regularly do. And can, and do, do so with only a PART of the workforce actually doing any 'productive' work.

Just look around you and see how many are actually "producers" versus those now engaged in completely, or largely, superfluous activities. Do we really NEED an Investment Advisor's office on every downtown street corner? Or 200 people trying to peddle Real Estate for a living? Or the growth of 'government' we continually witness?

Producing "more" under such a situation really solves nothing. There's already an overall disparity between collective 'prices', as currently computed financially, and the collective 'incomes' distributed in 'money' which have to liquidate those 'prices' if what's been made is ever to be sold at the full 'financial' costs of its making.

Turning the clock back to the days when "all craft was handicraft" , just to "make work" is utterly inane. Who, given a choice, would opt to be a perpetual drudge, taking ten hours to do what a modern machine could do in less than ten minutes?

What we have today is a DISTRIBUTION problem. Hampered by mixing outdated 'moral' concepts like, "Let no man eat unless he has first worked," with an economic system more than physically capable of making ALL completelty 'comfortable' without the need to make any 'uncomfortable' first.

How did an article about the Homeless and where they come from turn into a debate about Hitler's monetary policy? Holy 'way off topic' Batman!

Eagle, i think extending the term fascism into an 'economic form' is bending the definition to serve ones purposes. Aside from the watered down 2nd definition (as per mirriam webster) fascism refers to a political philosophy.
We (some of us) use the term like '60's hippies, thus watering the word down.

Caranmacil, you make a very good point about watering the word down. It happens a lot by more people than just myself... That’s not my intent, but rather to expand upon its many manifestations. Fascism is ultimately an economic end achieved through political means that disregards the law and rights of others as mere inconveniences.... It too has its extremes as in the case of Hitler and Mussolini (where the politics trumps the economics), but it also has its more subtle forms as well, which are a foot in the door to enabling future more extreme fascistic policies.

One thing people agree on is that there is no specific definition for fascism that is universally accepted, but in all cases it involves monopoly economic enterprise that suppresses dissent. The economics of fascism is its defining characteristic more so then the political element, because the economic aspect is its motivating genus and not its political machinations.

Socredible, I say you’re wrong... you IMO have your mind set on redistribution of income and unfortunately will stop at nothing to rationalize this. I believe you have reached the point where your mind is closed to reason, because you are emotionally invested in your policy.

Your history Socredible on monetary policy is way off. Yes the Germans were tied to the British monetary policy after WW2... that was the source of the Weimar (get out the wheelbarrow) hyperinflation that starved the German people and drove them to Hitler to begin with. The British system demanded Germany print more money to pay off the speculators that were shorting the Weimar currency putting all value of the currency into a death spiral. That is all historical fact and it is the Obama policy in action today implemented in a kind of state suicide.

What Hitler did was go to the American system... the American colonies had printed their own government dollars with no inflation for over a 100 years... the revolution was fought over this issue... the colonists won the war, but the bankers found a way to get control of the currency... that led to the civil war, which would have been lost had Abe Lincoln not reintroduced the American system with his greenback dollar US notes... the Americans have since reverted back again to the British system where they are today. Had Andrew Jackson been healthy for another term in office then the British system would have been removed from America for good, and the civil war would have never happened IMO.

Hitler recognized unlike Stalin that foreign speculators controlled his countries future, so he saw that the nation had to separate this from the German internal economy if Germany was to ever prosper and become independent. That was the genus that gave Hitler his credibility and enabled his rise to complete power. The German economy went from bankrupt to the strongest economy in Europe with no inflation in two years time. Unemployment was eliminated at a time when the world was in the midst of the great depression... they did this with no issue of new foreign debt, but rather by currency generated by government itself for the purpose of public projects (ie the autobahn). They fixed it at 1 billion units of national currency called Labor Treasury Certificates that were issued against costs and were not traded on foreign currency exchanges, so were beyond the reach of the foreign currency speculators.

The idea was that for every mark created they required the equivalent mark's worth of work done or goods produced. Wealth had to physically be earned for any new currency in circulation.

In Canada new capital is injected into our economy to disguise the looting that is taking place... the whole economy is skewed because we have enormous amounts of currency created with our (oil and gas) resource wealth that gives the appearance of overall wealth in the economy... this drives up our currency and thus makes our manufactured exports less competitive. We also have foreign states that are operating like corporate entities in their sovereign wealth funds that are dumping printed money from cheep speculative finance into our markets to buy up everything that was once Canadian. This is a two pronged fork being stuck through the heart of Canada's economy and all our political class is ignorant of it because it benefits the financial elite at the expense of the rest of the country.

If Canada is to survive as a sustainable and sovereign economy, than IMO we must separate foreign currency reserves from the national economy... like Norway does with their currency. Leaving the status quo is the greatest threat to Canada today IMO. All currency generate from foreign sales of things like oil and gas or hydro sales should not be allowed to be reinvested in Canada, but rather should be invested abroad so as to earn foreign interest income and not disrupt the Canadian currency... and foreign speculation in the Canadian markets should be restricted... eliminating the derivatives market (go back to supply and demand) that speculates on commodities… and protecting Canadian owned industry from hostile foreign takeovers with cheep fiat money... of course to make that all possible we would have to shut down the foreign tax havens where the Canadian elite (3-4 million of Canadians) hide their capital to avoid taxation and thus are taking capital out of our economy and government revenue. The problem is the elites control our politics and the working class are the ones they want to pay the bills to subsidize the elite’s life style and ambitions.

ps capital can still be used and deployed to earn income... it just has to be fairly earned into the currency system to begin with... today especially with globalization the world is flooded with cheep money that wasn’t actually earned and is distorting everything in the real economy making us all future debt slaves to the ones who are running the fraud.

AIMHO

Eagle, I do not, nor have I ever called for "re-distribution" of 'money'. That is what our numerous political Parties in existence right now, including, I'm sad to say, the pathetic remnants of various "Social Credit" Parties here and elsewhere, have all descended to calling for. 'Money' itself is presently collectively 'insufficient' relative to the ongoing flow of 'prices' it is supposed to be able to fully liquidate as 'production' moves through into 'consumption'. You cannot cure an "insufficiency", ever, by "re-distributing" it.

You are enamoured with a monetary myth that the Government can somehow assume the role now assigned to the 'banksters'. And fund itself by simply printing money. It can, of course, but what you'll get out of such an arrangement as presently proposed is simply faster progress towards the very thing you, and others who belive in the same myth, all say they hope to avoid ~ fascism.

I can think of nothing that would give those very same top level 'banksters', who, because they and they alone possess the 'technical expertise' to make such a system work, greater pleasure. You think you're effectively 'nationalizing' Banks, when what you'll really be doing is 'bankizing' Government.

Okay, I admit to being a pain in the ass, but the three (admittedly online) dictionaries i checked all had the same definition of Fascism. While i like Merriams definition the best, they all agree that it is a term used to define a system of government. I think if there is an agreement that there is no one definition of the word then it is amoung those who seek to bend its meaning to suit their ends.
Fascism invokes Nazi germany, fascist italy (the word itself is from italian) and therefor clearly pushes the 'thats a bad thing' button on most people. Thus people use the term fascism to suggest that the thing they are condemning is as bad as the nazis. Misleading, really.
Myself i would like to see the word used as it is strictly defined by oxford, merriam et al. Of course i would also like to see the end of the word : banksters as well. :)

Half the SO CALLED HOMELESS hanging out downtown are not HOMELESS some are just here for a weekend HOLIDAY from other places like Burnslake, they just like to hang out, and get a nice clean bed at the Homeless Shelter. We do have a lot of new faces downtown.

It's not hard to figure out really... people will come here because we have the facilites to house them. The downtown is becoming a mecca. The government doesn't have to move them, they find a way here.