Is there some kinda bug going around or something?

What I find interesting is that for the last two month Government and Health officials have been saying and very confident that "There will be enough" and "It will be ready" Yet the day comes and Volla a shortage and delayed. Do these people just talk through their arses? What a bunch of unorganised fools! Or, is this a ploy to cause panick for the ones who want the flu? Maybe they hope that the polls will come up with a better count of Canadians who will actually want and get the shot. The last one proved that less than half of the population wanted the drug. I find all of this very suspect and confusing. I would like to know just how much this is costing the tax payers. Something just does not seem right here. Actually a lot of things do not seem right.

Correction: Or, is this a ploy to cause panick for the ones who want the flu?

Should read: ones who want the flu shot?

Sure would like to know who's getting rich off of this bogus panic. Probably the same people who got rich off of the way-overhyped SARS and Bird Flu scares.

H1N1 immunization shots...brought to you by well-meaning politicians and medical lobbyists. Much the same as the well-meaning politicans that kept telling Canadian moms that thalidomide was safe a full three months after it had been banned in Europe; that elected not to test our blood supply in the mid-80's until hundreds of Canadians contracted HIV and Hep from tainted blood; that ignored the realities of e-Coli poisoning in Ontario until 7 were dead and thousands more sickened.

Yep, I sure feel good about lining up for hours to let Health Canada stick a needle in my arm to fill me up with the latest "feel good" drug for something that has less chance of killing me than crossing the street to get my coffee.

People are dying from this. A little protection is not a bad thing.

Google these shots on the internet. DO NOT get them, they're killing people.

Come on, if you're going to make a claim like that you have to provide proof. Otherwise you're just a conspiracy theorist.I've yet to hear of someone dying from the vaccine. I have heard of people dying from the flu.

Gotta love some of these comments from the generally paranoid. The thing is, NOTHING in life is guaranteed from some sort of risk. However, the H1N1 flu is also risky to your personal health if you catch it, and it seems like a fair number of people are. It seems like a large percentage of people would rather roll the dice with this flu bug rather than get a shot. All the power to them.

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I have read the information about inoculation Loki and if they are right the sheeple who are lining up are in big trouble. I am healthy and rarely get a cold let alone the flu. I have decided that I will forgo the shot because of that primarily. The second reason is I do not trust anything that government gives out for free. We have always had to pay for the regular flu shot if underlying medical reasons were not present. Some thing does not feel right about this whole fear mongering that the groups who are going to get rich from this have been spreading since the people in Mexico contracted H1N1. My decision feels even more right now that there is a shortage. I will stand aside and let the ones who REALY NEED it have it. I hope to hell that what you speak of is not true but deep down with in me I have a bad, bad feeling.

I find it interesting how Vancouver area has been getting the H1N1 virus shot all week, and we won't see it until the 2 November, maybe?
And on the news this morning they are moaning and groaning about how they are running out already...
so does that mean we won't be getting it until all the Vancouverites have their fill?
Thought it was supposed to go to remote areas first....didnt' think the Vancouver area was all that remote...guess I was wrong...
I know the health board is saying they will start here next week, but will they?

Aparently they enoculated all the torch relay personel. I do not see how they fall under the most need group but ....

Did you google it? There is proof out there. Yes everything in life has a risk, but seriously, it's just a bad flu. Drink lots of water, eat vitamin c and stay healthy. Or be a good little citizen and line up for your shot.
To each their own.

I cant believe how so many people are panicked over this!

Think about it!
This is a hybrid virus of avian, swine and original influenza
Ground zero is a region in which influenza has rarely occurred
It is a major swine producing region
Pigs don't get sick from it, humans do
There is a major bio lab in that region doing research into influenza
That facility has ties to Canada and the USA
A scientist traveled from Montreal to the lab mere months before the outbreak
It is a major tourist destination with traveler from all over the globe
most vacations are about 10 days
The incubation period is about 10 days
It would take a few days of exposure then the traveler goes back home thinking everything is fine
Within days the traveler becomes sick and has already contaminated others both en route home and when arriving home
Governments around the world are able to develop, test and distribute a vaccine for this new strain that is offered for free

Those are the facts as I understand them.

What a perfect deployment strategy for bio warfare testing.
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A perfect way to encourage all citizens to get a shot of something they do not know or understand.

Add to this the HPV vaccination program for every female between 10 and 30 (not quit correct). Now we have a method to introduce anything the powers that be want into our bodies in a controlled manner across the board.

Mulder had it right, "Trust no one!"

I am not paranoid. Paranoia is irrational or delusional. Mistrust of the government that is now a global enterprise is a result of historical observations. We all know that government is firmly in bed with industry and finance. Why should this be different?

Wow. Somebody has watched too much X-Files. Even quoting characters and the whole thing.

It could be the over way aound too Loki,maybe all the people who get vacinated might be "safe",and the rest of us silly buggers could be in trouble!....just a thought!

How's this for a conspiracy theory:

A new strain of flu (not unusual for the flu given that it is always mutating) is "discovered" and it is also found that instead of causing major problems for seniors and sick people (like the conventional flu), it's actually younger healthy people and pregnant women who are more at risk. Given these revelations and the manner in which this particular strain of flu acts as compared to "regular" flu, it has caused governments and health agencies around the world to actually try and do things to help their citizens deal with what appears to be a new trend in the flu. A vaccine is the result, as has been the case with numerous other diseases humans have faced in the past.

Nah, that's way too outrageous. It's much easier to believe that governments the entire world over are conspiring against their citizens in a highly coordinated effort for some purpose that nobody can even explain. Such a high level conspiracy requiring collusion from millions of people, committed by governments who can't even get organized enough to keep highways in good condition, adequately fund public services or engage in a session of parliament without acting like 11 year old children. Yup, sounds believable to me, LOL!

"The second reason is I do not trust anything that government gives out for free."

Yeah, the government wants us to crash and burn.

Who would pay the taxes?




"What a perfect deployment strategy for bio warfare testing."

Yes how perfect. Moo ha ha.

Loki, while I understand your points, there is not a single shred of evidence to warrant a mass innoculation with a vaccine with unproven results into people who they are not even certain have been exposed to the virus in the first place.
They have stopped testing for it. Both this vaccine and the HPV one were pushed through the approval process. The manufacturer of this particular vaccine has been granted legal immunity in the US as well.
Recently, doctors and health professionals have said there is no reason to panic and that if you do not have an underlying medical condition you should not get this. The majority of the people who choose this shot, will be administered an adjuvant type. Only a select few will be allowed/chosen for the nonadjuvant.
Look it up on the federal health site's approval of this drug.
The info about the doc's statements came from the local radio stations' interviews.

The key point was if you are healthy you have nothing to worry about. There is so much disjointed information about this and no primary data supporting the claim that H1N1 is a real threat to the masses.
Globally, the claim is 5000 have died - yet, no one can produce actual data with supporting evidence to back it up. WHO also stopped testing to track it and advised others to stop testing citing it was unnecessary.

Loads of good info on the Health Canada website, if you trust them of course . . . LOL.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/h1n1/index-eng.php

Australia is at the end of its flu season and didnt have the vaccine until the very end. Anybody know someone in Australia? I suspect if they were all dead it would perhaps make the news?

Here are some stats from Australia (as at Oct 26/09) courtesy of the Australian Government Department of Health and Aging:

- 37,039 confirmed cases of H1N1 in 2009
- number of deaths continues to increase in 2009. The current count is at 186
- 4,904 hospitalizations as a result of H1N1 in 2009

Here is the info:

http://www.healthemergency.gov.au/internet/healthemergency/publishing.nsf/Content/AABC3B3CE8852240CA25765B0007C86C/$File/26-0ct-09.pdf

The rest of the info on their website about H1N1 reads very similarily to that of Health Canada and other similar sources:

http://www.healthemergency.gov.au/internet/healthemergency/publishing.nsf/Content/vaccine

Here is one specific comment from them:

"It is a new strain of flu that spreads easily from person to person, and experience in other countries shows that this is not just a winter flu – it could come back during spring and summer"

What was that about them being at the end of their flu season?

OK guys, a lot of BS here, obviously, as all would agree (though which parts are BS might be more contentious). There is one lie here that needs to be addressed. I too thought that otherwise healthy people were at no risk. That isnt true. The most recent article i read told of a 13 year old with no health issues who died. I also read something of a young girl in the same situation. These kids were, to their parents knowledge, healthy. They died of H1N1.
Decide for yourselves if that constitutes enough risk to get the shot, but for the purposes of this discussion, please watch you facts. Also, Loki, there is nothing unusual in the link between pigs and flu . I believe most flu strains are believed to start from swine pops in asia.
By the way, i had h1n1 in the spring. It is a bee-atch.

My granddaughter aged 5 has just gotten over H1N1. Her father, who works in a medical research lab, got it as well. Her mother, who is a med lab tech, also got it. A friend of theirs came back from a trip to France where she picked it up. She may have been the source of the infection. She is a child care worker. All of them fall under the category of high risk to get it and to spread it further.

"children six months to less than five years of age and their caregivers."

This was all in urban Ontario over the last few weeks before anyone was inoculated.

By far most of the people will fare the same way if they catch the H1N1 virus. However, there is a higher death rate with this strain than those in the recent past. The health scientists are telling us that the death rate of those getting the inoculation is considerably lower than those who do not get the inoculation.

It is up to each person to make their own decision. Unless you are a health worker, and even there, it is up to the individual whether they should get it or not.

The only thing I have an issue with is that I have not seen a dumbed down version of the information people should have before they decide whether to get it or not.

The best detailed information I have been able to locate is actually, of all places, on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

Look at the chart. Notice that the EU has 292 deaths with an increase of 18% over the last 7 days

Then look at North America with 1,421 cases (approximately the same population, assuming Mexico is included it will be a bit higher than Europe) it has increased by 33% in the last 7 days.

It looks like it is under control for now in South America and Australia. So, the idea that it will continue through the warm season as well might be in error, or inoculations have controlled the spread.
Case fatality rates are also interesting to look at. Other than the Spanish flu, it is less than 0.1%. Thus, if you had the Asian flu and were diagnosed as such, 1 of 1,000 people died. With the Spanish flu it was 5 of 200 who had the Spanish flu.

When you look at those fatality rates, keep in mind that the rates would be higher in those areas that had less access to quality health care. That is why those who live in remote areas (which does not include PG) such as Dease Lake, let us say, are in the high risk category.

Here is an article that addresses the severity of the H1N1 flu strain.

Caution, it is from the USA which appears to have a high rate of increase at the moment and has a problem of getting vaccines and the article was written in September. New figures may change the thinking.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953

Then there is this site

http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/H1N1+could+infect+Canadians+MUHC+expert/2165595/story.html

which says: "Brian Ward, an infectious-disease expert at the McGill University Health Centre, said that up to 25 per cent of the Canadian population could contract H1N1.

However, he predicted that probably fewer Canadians will die from H1N1 than in a typical flu season in which there are up to 2,000 deaths. The caveat, he added, is that more younger Canadians will likely die this year from H1N1 – all the more reason to get vaccinated."

and this one http://www.commonground.ca/iss/220/cg220_h1n1.shtml

which says:
"Is this pandemic worth worrying about?

Probably not. If we can learn from the experience from the southern hemisphere, which just had its flu season, mortality from the pandemic appeared to be relatively low and most countries had flu-related mortality rates of less than one person per 100,000. That’s tiny.

But surely the H1N1 flu is severe and deadly?

Compared to what? The regular run of the mill seasonal flu? Nope. There is substantial evidence that the mortality rate from H1N1 flu is actually much smaller than from the seasonal flu. "

So, you go figure out if you are going to get the vaccine or not. The medical world does not appear to be able to do it.

One more link that should provide an overview of the world situation ... from WHO ... you know, that group that wants to take over the world .. :-)

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_30/en/index.html

Okay, so I lied. In case people want a bit of a comforting note. That is only in the interest of making sure too many people do not die of heart attacks brought on by the stress of not getting quck access to the vaccine.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_clinical_features_20091016/en/index.html

16 OCTOBER 2009 | GENEVA -- To gather information about the clinical features and management of pandemic influenza, WHO hosted a three-day meeting at the headquarters of the Pan American Health Organization in Washington, DC on 14–16 October. Findings and experiences were presented by around 100 clinicians, scientists, and public health professionals from the Americas, Europe, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Oceania.

The meeting confirmed that the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of persons worldwide infected with the new H1N1 virus continue to experience uncomplicated influenza-like illness, with full recovery within a week, even without medical treatment.

Sure is small-town stupid in here.

I believe the H1N1 is a bio engineered virus, and as such, unless the government is willing to admit that H1N1 is a bio engineered virus, then how can we trust their solution? I have no doubt in my mind at all that it is a bio engineered virus, because they just don't combine like that in nature the way this one has.

Something smells when your own government won't tell the truth in something as important as this. I don't even blame the politicians, and most all of the government health care workers... most are to pompous in their own intellectual superiority to ever go against the grain and look at things objectively... they got to where they are in life by agreeing and being yes men to the prevailing political winds. I believe in a conspiracy at the international banker level that owns these pharmaceutical companies that are blowing smoke up our backsides, and I have no doubt this is part of a game theory process in play. I just don't know yet what the theory is... so as to identify it.

As for the apparent sudden shortage I attribute that to back channels responding the Senator Lieberman chiding of the pharmaceutical companies about America not getting her fair share. He is right on top of this from the fear perspective in America, and Joe has power, so no doubt some vaccine destine for Canada has gone south for political reasons that won't be explained to the public (because we are small town stupid)... same reason they won't tell us this is a bio engineered virus and deal with it from a perspective of truth and knowledge sharing with the public.

So far it’s mostly all coincidence that has potential for all sorts of bad hypotheticals unless the truth is properly disseminated by the media, and government is not allowed to evade accountability for the answers that should be forthcoming… such as the origin of this virus.

"I believe the H1N1 is a bio engineered virus, and as such, unless the government is willing to admit that H1N1 is a bio engineered virus, then how can we trust their solution?"

OMG LOL. That's very convenient. I believe in a conspiracy, and unless the government admits to it I don't trust them. How's that tinfoil helmet fitting right now? LOL, how sad.

"Sure is small-town stupid in here."

I am not sure what you mean by that.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/10/30/calgary-alberta-edmonton-h1n1-vaccine-flu-clinics.html

Are Edmonton and Calgary "small town stupid".

According to this person quoted on the link, they likely are!

"Not well thought out," Lisa Damolin said of the vaccination rollout. "I think there's a lot of explaining to do. The health minister: Watch out, you're going to get a lot of calls."

The "small town stupid" health officials and health minister in Alberta cannot even conduct a vaccination program properly. This is after Alberta told its citizens that they have enough vaccine to for every person in Alberta.

This morning CBC reported that all people requiring/wanting the vaccine in Canada will have received it by December ... so, more than a month.

Government is obviously unable to conduct an orderly vaccination program after they have pushed the panic button and made everyone aware of that.

There are many things said here that are divergent views. Is that what is "small town stupid?"

It is stupid to post something like that without explaining how to interpret it.

What else can we expect from this site's most prolific conspiracy theorist and believer, eagleone.

"because they just don't combine like that in nature the way this one has."

You got a PhD in virology eagleone? If not, then post your source for that statement.

Hey, eagleone. The conspiracy is actually the farmers who want more support from the government so they are holding back the egg production used to grow the cultures.

Various scientists have stated the virus appears to be a combo of bird, swine, and a lab created flu. For all you sheeple, this is not conspiracy, these people stated such on mainstream media. One person was from WHO. If you can't find the info, maybe its been removed.

govsux: you are of course going to back up that statement with some proof? You don't expect us to just take your word for it?

"Yeah, the government wants us to crash and burn.

Who would pay the taxes?"

The aliens of course.

govsux

Here is evidence show that it is a conspiracy. 9 people can't all be wrong.

[urlhttp://www.sodahead.com/united-states/cdc-admits-the-a-h1n1-flu-was-created-in-a-government-lab/blog-67587[/url]

I think eagleone posts on that site

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/cdc-admits-the-a-h1n1-flu-was-created-in-a-government-lab/blog-67587

Here is the problem i have: The lesson to be learned from h1n1 is a scary one. Despite fears that h1n1 was a deadly flu, the efforts to control it were completely unsuccessful. Just a couple of weeks after we got word of it in Mexico it landed here in PG. It seems to me that if a deadly influenza does arise, there is now evidence that authorities will be unwilling to take the steps necessary to control it's spread.
OK i have one more problem: Why the hell did it take so long to get the vaccine? I do remember the govt talking about vaccine production in august, so why are they shipping it out en masse now (in insufficient numbers )when they could have trickled it out to high priority folks earlier on?

I think it has to do with FDA and equivalent approvals in other countries. I believe each drug manufacturer, since they would have different processes/protocols, has to go through the same approval process.

http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/factsheets/fs_tableII_doc2.htm

The approval in Canada was given 10 days ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/10/21/flu-vaccine-h1n1-approval-canada.html

It is interesting to read that Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq encouraged ALL CANADIANS to get the vaccine once it is available in their community, as early as next week.

She obviously needs some schooling in carefully wording her public announcements. Then again, perhaps the problem is on the receiving end and the reporter needs some schooling in listening more carefully.

"It seems to me that if a deadly influenza does arise, there is now evidence that authorities will be unwilling to take the steps necessary to control it's spread."

I am not sure what that evidence would be. The Japanese and Chinese probably took the strictest action and restricted travel or controlled travel both in and outbound. The Japanese population seemed to self-restrict.

serious side effects in Japan
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20091025a7.html

travel restrictions
http://www.control-risks.com/default.aspx?page=1436

I am going out to trick or treat now .... going as an H1N1 vaccine bottle .....

I'll let each home occupant decide whether it is a trick or a treat..

The new Swine Flu has elements of DNA from the following:
avian flu,
human flu Type A,
human flu Type B,
Asian swine flu, and
European swine flu.
A strange combination never seen before. Human and animal viruses from four or more continents suddenly recombine in a new flu during a non-flu season that spreads from human-to-human.

The Spanish Flu of 1918 (of which this is compared genetically) came in three waves, each after a recombination to make it more deadly... the first being non-lethal, the second and third killing more people than WW1 in Europe. Its been argued that by the third wave of the swine flu in years to come it may take away more people than both world wars combined.

This new swine flu is a lab created advanced biological warfare DNA genetically engineered virus that either:
(1) Escaped accidentally from a lab; or
(2) was deliberately released by a nation or non-state organization or a well-trained individual.

We are witnessing IMO the early stages of a bio-warfare event… and don't expect the government to give you any answers when the Canada's National Microbiology Lab and Baxter pharmaceuticals of Austria are the two labs accused of creating this virus.

Some argue that the vaccine is the trigger mechanism for the more deadly second and third waves.

IMO I am not sure what to believe, but I do believe that these are substantial questions that need answers and governments are either to scared or to confident in themselves to honestly address these concerns and that creates room for doubt about official policy and the official story.

It doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist, but rather a coincidence theorist that has an open mind when legitimate concerns can not be explained with real world logic.

Good God. I have never read so much unadulterated BS in one day. Where do you people get all these goofy ideas.

Number one. Your body will fight any flu virus and will in most cases win. Those people with underlying problems will have more difficulty and some will die. (This has already happened) Some of those who died have not yet been thouroghly investigated to see what the extinuating circumstances were.

50% of Canadians are not interested in getting this flu shot. Are we to beleive that they will all die. Not bloodly likely. For the other 50% who are going to get the shot 45% of them should stay the hell at home until those people who have a real need for the protection can get their shots.

A large percentage of the people in the line-ups are nothing more than hypocrondiacs, and God knows we have a lot of them in this Country.

This whole H1N1 flu issue is out of control. It is no better or worse than any other flu's we have had over the years.

By the time the Health departments and the Government get this situation straighted out, the flu will have left and we will be on to something else.

Alcohol, drugs, smoking, cancer, car accidents, suicides, and many other diseases kill more people than this flu ever will.

Relax and enjoy your life.

eagleone ... do us a bit of a favour if you would .... let us know the sites you get this crap from ... then we do not have to go hunting .... it takes 3 minutes out of my life ...... search engines are getting much to good and quick..... :-)

http://www.rense.com/general85/BIO.HTM

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message778093/pg1

http://mmsmiracle.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/mexican-swine-flu-br-an-advanced-biowar-event

Earl of Sterling, eh????

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-594384.html

Stormfront, eh?????

Here is the homepage for that last link ...

http://www.stormfront.org/forum

Is this where you gt all your anti semetic stuff too, eagleone????

Oberstorromtruppenfuehrer ......

it seems this is the famous modern Earl of Sterling. Saviour of the world.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com

Interesting how the foiler makes a lot of claims without a shred of evidence.

LOL... you sure dug up a lot of hate liturature Gus. I wasn't reading that stuff although I had read the 'Lord Sterling' article and borrowed from it because he made a good point.

Some reading on this subject:
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Startling New Evidence That The 'Swine
Flu' Pandemic Is Man-Made
http://www.rense.com/general86/manmd.htm
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And a good respected mainstream Canadian reporter on the subject...
[url]
http://www.google.ca/search?q=Helen+Branswell+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a[/url]
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And I found this story to be particularily alarming...

Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder
http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html

Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger is the creator of the Swine flue from what I can gather....

Now now, there are three sides to every argument. Your side, my side, and the truth.
Most sheeple find it hard to believe that the government would allow harm to its citizinery. Conspiracy theorists insist that the government is actively planning harm to its citizens.
Which is true? Both and neither.

It is fact that the current h1n1 is a blend of several strains, How that become so we may never know.
It is a fact that governments around the world are making a big show of caring for its people by accelerating the development of a vaccine and distributing it at no cost to the end user. Not only that, but they are working in cooperation.

Let's get this straight, after centuries of animosity and failed diplomatic efforts, a potentail pandemic has finaly brought peaceful cooperation? First time for everythng I guess. Something for free? When did the universe turn altruistic? Accelerated development? See the article on the cancer industry "Cancer Research: Winning the Fight Comes to P.G."
Cancer is way more deadly and dabilitating than a flu, yet they have not "cured" it yet after billions (or is it trillions) spent on research. Apples and Oranges?

They have not cured the common cold or the legacy strains of influenza iether. Somebody, many somebodies, are lining their pockets. Health care and bio research is big business. they don't want a cure, just a product that can be sold, repeatedly. Like the annual flu shot that users pay for and the various cocktails for HIV and other chronic acute conditions.

So why would they all of a sudden have a short development and distribution cycle for something that kills fewer people than the regular old flu? Why can they develop a protection against this new flu but not the old one? How can they come up with a vaccine in such a short time? This thing is what, less than a year old? A lot does not look or smell right with this one. It kills the apparently healthy and some ehnicities are more susceptable than others.

"Yeah, the government wants us to crash and burn.
Who would pay the taxes?"
That would assume complete annialation is intended. It was a test. It is not what you can see to be feared, it is what you do not know that you cannot guard against. The devious plans of the Global Shadow government (sic) have a time frame of decades and centuries and are subtle enough to go virtually unnoticed by the common folk. Prior to the internet, it was hard to get the big picture. Now all the information is out there. A lot is pure speculation and much is just the nutbar gong off his rocker. The trouble is that these nutbars get proven correct and even when they are not, there is a kernal of fact behind their hairbrained ideas.

So who is the crazy one, the sheeple that insists that the blinders are good, or the nutbar spouting unprovable theories because they want to effect a positive change?

Gus
I watched it on CTV Newsnet, when it first appeared in Mexico. It was one of the head scientist from WHO. Instead of spending all your time proving you're the smartest sheep in the flock, why don't you do your own hunting. Baaaaaa

About those potholes??????

"So who is the crazy one, the sheeple that insists that the blinders are good, or the nutbar spouting unprovable theories because they want to effect a positive change?"

Let's see, given the choice between people who live in the real world who back up their theories with facts vs. the tinfoil hat wearing, X-Files loving crowd, I'll take the first group.

The argument that this flu is no more dangerous to healthy people flies in the face of facts and is therefor irresponsible. The argument that the apparently healthy people had some predisposing circumstance we are just not aware of is pointless given that so many of us might therefor have a hidden predisposition and are thus still in danger.
Given that the first swine flu was not man made and was deadly, could not this closely related flu also be natural? The statement that h1n1 has DNA from this flu strain and that flu strain is misleading. We share a great deal of DNA sequences with other organisms, to the point that the majority of our Genes are the same as the sea cucumbers. We do not contain sea cucumber DNA.
There is no argument sufficient to deter some people from seeing a conspiracy. To some extent we all see what we want to see. There is no convincing folks who believe the h1n1 is a huge international conspiracy otherwise, just as you cant covince a truther, or those folks who believe elvis is alive. The difference now, of course, is that the internet has allowed conspiracy buffs and malcontents to reach unprecedented numbers of borderline paranoid people. I use this term intentionally, with the intent of insult. I feel justified (in a tit for tat kind of way) in this case by the number of rediculously condescending posts including the term 'sheeple'. Of course, it could also have something to do with being lectured by someone who quotes the protagonist on X-files as part of his argument.

enjoy this special emergency transmission ...

H1N1 pandemic is artificially generated to beta test for federalization, martial law, globalization ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8xuhj_dEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prP3a97qeMU&NR=1

http://jonesreport.com