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DBIA Making Plans for New Levy

By 250 News

Monday, November 09, 2009 04:00 AM

Prince George, B.C.- The  Prince  George Downtown  Business Improvement  Association  has been meeting with  some property owners, giving them a chance to  offer some opinions on the latest  plan to resurrect the  special  tax  paid by  C1 property  holders in the  downtown core.

 A little over a week ago, the DBIA sponsored a strategic planning session, which DBIA President  Kirk Gable says was attended by  8 people, 7 of whom  own property  in the downtown.  The DBIA hired a consultant to facilitate the all day session. Gable says he will be surprised if the consultant’s bill is more than $7,000 for the one day event.

The first shot at trying to renew the special levy called for a rate of $1.70 per thousand dollars of assessed value.  That  was rejected by Prince George City Council because  it said   while the opposition to the  levy failed to meet the required  threshold of 50%  of properties representing more  than 50% of assessed values,  Council said the issue  had  become too divisive  and  rejected the plan.

Round two saw a plan that would have a levy of $2.23 per thousand.  That plan   never really got off the ground. 

Opinion 250 has learned the current proposal calls for a levy of   $1.65 per thousand of assessed value.  The draft terms also propose a cap   of $10,000 and would see the levy in place at that amount for three years.

While Gable said he didn’t want to  talk about specifics of the  business plan that is being developed, he did  make it clear those who attended the strategic planning session agreed  the downtown cannot be all things to all  people.   While programs like the flower baskets would be   supported under the new plan and   the previous idea of   downtown ambassadors has been scrapped. He says that isn’t necessary  now that the RCMP has  foot patrols and a dedicated  Downtown  Enforcement Unit.  Instead, he says the focus will shift to a   clean and safe program.  Under that plan,   partnerships could be developed to  have teams deal with graffiti and  cleanliness of downtown.   He also says the new plan would see   Downtown Prince George (the DBIA) hire an Executive Director who  would  focus  on  developing events that will draw people into the downtown.  

Gable envisions the DBIA  leading to   the development of  a Downtown Development Corporation which he says would not conflict with the work of Initiatives Prince George.

The  economy may be the biggest obstacle to the revival  of   the  special levy “Sometimes   I   worry that the downtown  businesses are so beaten  up,  they just don’t have the energy,” says Gable “ I heard  one   owner  say  the  day’s sales  were $50 dollars,  so how much longer   do you think   they can hold  on?”  So with that knowledge, does he   expect business owners to sign on to pay more money?    Gable is optimistic  “I think you are going to see strong support.”

It is expected the  full details  of the new plan will be made public  at a meeting later this month and a presentation made to Prince George City Council in mid December.


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All of these special interest groups with their own layer of government, initiatives PG, Tourism PG, the DBIA.... all with there own "Special Taxation" These people need to get a grip, the cupboard is bare, there is no money for any more "Executive Directors" etc....
Best of luck PG,
"Gable says he will be surprised if the consultant’s bill is more than $7,000 for the one day event."

You would think there would be a contract in place stipulating the cost for the day. This guy wants to tax the hell out of the few downtown business owners that are left? Yikes.

I love this quote, "I heard one owner say the day’s sales were $50 dollars, so how much longer do you think they can hold on?”

Once you raise their taxes I suspect the answer will be, "not long."

It's well past time we trimmed these petty bureaucrats.
I keep hearing the same things the above to posters are saying, how many layers of government are needed? There seem to be more groups than buisness's.

I almost spit up my coffee when I read this line: "the previous idea of downtown ambassadors "

What the hell is wrong with this town? Clean Air ambassador, Idle Free ambassador? A downtown ambassador? For christ sake, lets just hire more people to run around and create media events, that is the solution to all problems. Any wonder with our mayors background?

Was this a poetic misprint: "the RCMP has foot patrols and a dedicated Downturn Enforcement Unit." I think it should read Downtown but the misprint of Downturn in relation to the downtown is poetic.

Put in the new levy, have more buisness's shut the doors, the city can then buy the buildings, demolish them and put up a parking lot. That seems to be their only solution.

If I was a downtown buisness owner I sure as hell would want to get out of there.
We really need to stop this kind of stuff people. It is up to us to save this city from missmanagement. We need to control CITY HALL.
Happy to not be a downtown business owner.
As if they need another tax. What they need is for the city to get off it's haunches and do something constructive with the tax money they already collect. The roots of the problem go way back, a lot of councillors and aldermen have passed through, and none of them were able to facilitate a substantial impact on the downtown, and it just keeps getting worse. Its a disease that is rotting out the core. Maybe the city has a plan, they already own a lot of the properties downtown, and are buying still more, could it be that a 'vision' is coming together?
metalman.
When will they realize that the population of Prince George is stagnent. It dosent matter what they do downtown things cant change untill you have "customers"

The planing department at City Hall cast the die when they allowed all the development on #16 West. Thats where the action is today. Untill they get rid of the parking lots and start a business development plan to attract customers the down town is toast.

One furniture outlet and a hardware store does not shopping center make.
Cheers
Retired, the council of the day, threw away downtown, when they chose the site of the Multiplex. Imagine what 4 thousand people coming to downtown Prince George would have done to the economy about fifty times a year. This is the 36 cougar nights and events.

As far as Parking goes, make some room. The city really blew it there first. The second mistake was to let John Majors build the casino outside of the downtown core. It was the patrons to the casino that kept the homeless at bay.

It has been one error after another. The council has sold the downtown down the river so many times that it is a joke. All they want to do is buy all of downtown and or tax the remaining businesses to death. Shame on you, for lying to the public and misleading the DBIA thinking that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
"the council of the day, threw away downtown, when they chose the site of the Multiplex. Imagine what 4 thousand people coming to downtown Prince George would have done to the economy about fifty times a year"

Look at Prospera Place in Kelowna. It is a dead building for the rest of the time. One huge empty parking lot. At least the casino accross the street built a parkade.

They have a few places around that provide some food/entertainment, but the ones to the east of Prospera are hardly "prospera"ing.

We would have had a large paved area with nothing to activate the area around it. People basically drive their in their cars, park, watch the game or other event, get back in the car and either drive home or to a lounge/restaurant located elsewhere in town.
"or to a lounge/restaurant located elsewhere in town."

I think that is what he is getting at, if the Multiplex was downtown, people may be more inclined to go to a lounge/restaurant downtown, business in the local area thereby stimulating a sub-economy.

I know when I used to go to Cougar games we loved going to eat before or after games, but there was nothing in the area other than JJ's and it was always packed. We ended up going home many nights when we would have stayed is there was something nearby.
Opinions on another levy/tax? Duh!
The university should have been built downtown.

The multiplex should have been built downtown.

The casino should have been built downtown.

I'm afraid it's too little too late at this point. This city won't get mega-projects like those for another 40+ years, at which point there will be no downtown left.
"The university should have been built downtown."

The University is far nicer where it is, plus there's rrom for expansion if the need arises.

"The multiplex should have been built downtown."

Where would a few thousand cars park? Unless you knock down a lot of buildings, I couldn't see this working. If you think the traffic is bad at the multiplex after a game, could you imagine that downtown? No thanks.

"The casino should have been built downtown."

This I agree with, and it was downtown for a while. Clearly, Mr. Major wanted a Casino/Hotel, and the location where it is catches far more visitor traffic going through town than if it were located downtown. If Mr. Major could have made it work down there, he would have.

The downtown is dead, forget about it. Too many social services located too close together. If I were a new business coming into town, I would not locate downtown... end of story.
"The University is far nicer where it is, plus there's rrom for expansion if the need arises."

There would be room for expansion downtown too. Think about it... for all the money they spent putting the school on top of a mountain (remember what a fiasco the road was) they easily could have bought a nice parcel of land downtown.

"Where would a few thousand cars park? Unless you knock down a lot of buildings, I couldn't see this working. If you think the traffic is bad at the multiplex after a game, could you imagine that downtown? No thanks."

Have you been to an event at a downtown arena in another city? In my experience, downtown arenas clear out much faster, because the cars are spread out much better because people are encouraged to take transit due to downtown usually being the best served area in a city for transit.

I have been to NHL games in Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Ottawa, and Raleigh, North Carolina, as well as a 15,000 person event at the new MTS Centre in downtown Winnipeg. The arenas in Pittsburgh, Vancouver, and Winnipeg (downtown arenas) were all wayyyyy easier to vacate by car after the game, for the reasons noted above. Ottawa and Carolina (like the multiplex, built in a big field surrounded by parking lots) took ages to get out of. There are way more choke points in a series of parking lots than there are in a typical downtown grid system.

At least we can agree that downtown is dead.
Sorry, above that was supposed to be "better, and because" not "better because". Those were two separate points. Just wanted to clarify that.
Shouldn't City council be tending to the business of running the City? Obviously they aren't very skilled at handling our tax dollars, maybe downtown could become a learning ground.
I would love to see the Downtown cleaned up but not at the expense of the surrounding neighbourhoods. A certin motel on Victoria St. is housing people that usually live downtown and they are very active in the DRUG bussiness operating out of the motel. Calls to the Police have been in vaine. I think they are turning a blind eye and I can't see why the motel owners are allowing their motel to go down the sewer and this is all happening a block away from a school. If they don't care about the saftey of the people in the area you would think they would care about the children, lots of them first nation. The reason the Downtown is dead is because of all the services that are provided for people from here, there and everywere. We are bringing them in. The question I keep asking about the Baldy Hughes project is what happens to Drug Addicts that drop out? Do they end up as another Prince George mouth to feed or are they sent back to where they came from??
Bitter. The Baldy Hughes question is a whole different kettle of fish. It was originally financed by a Vancouver Charity, and run by a Liberal MLA. It has recently been given some sort of money from the BC Government, for housing or somesuch (not sure what).

At the same time that this location was being established, the BC Government closed the Nechako Treatment Centre 20 some odd beds, and recently closed the treatment centre in Terrace.

I know the motel of which you speak, and it does seem strange that they would allow it to get rundown, however we have to keep in mind that there were four new hotels, or motels built around the Casino, and there is only so much business to go around.

As business, and housing moves out of the bowl into the foothills, the downtown area, and some subdivisions will turn into slums.
I cant wait until the new 'center of the universe' becomes the 'old' downtown... As soon as all of the big box guys lined up highway 16 west with Walmart into College Heights (where all of the mucky mucks live) the current downtown was doomed...
I see the City Hall lawn is looking much better now. There is way more room for the homeless to sit and dring from brown bags. It only cost 1 mil.
Taxing the hell out of the few remaining businesses is hardly a viable DIBA incentive plan to attract new businesses to the downtown area.

The present downtown is a sad mixture of flop houses, social service agencies, bars, abandoned buildings, liquor establishments, needle exchanges, with limited retail and absolutely no residential development. There are 200-300 people that have taken over the George Street corridor, and make it an unsafe place for shoppers and the business community that remains downtown. After 5pm, downtown is unsafe.

Kirk Gable is well intentioned, but he is flogging a dead horse, and increasing taxes to downrtown is certainly not the answer. My business is dying downtown. My staff are pan-handled on a daily basis. My female staff are threatened on a weekly basis. Hardly a month goes by without a breakin to parked vehicles by people looking for loose chanage and other valuables that they can sell so that they can buy drugs. Increased taxes will be the final straw that drives me back to the perimiter shopping areas.

The Smart Growth on the Ground Plan was a waste of $440,000, and the Mayor's Downtown Tax Force lacks leadership. Are Dan Rogers and Kirk Gable trying to finally kill downtown?
.................sorry I meant to say the |Mayor's Downtown TASK Force. However, in retrospect, perhaps TAX Force is a better name.

The only person on the Mayor's Downtown TAX Force with any sense of fiscal responsibility is Cameron Stolz. Mayor Dan Rogers solution to downntown improvement is to spend $46 million on a new RCMP building that is not required. I hope that "dithering Dan" keeps his promise and takes the RCMP project to a referendum so that I can Vote against it.
Thanks Palopu I am looking forword to living in a SLUM and paying the same taxes as everyone else. I disagree with you Baldy Hues is not a different kettle of fish, Who is keeping track of the people that do not stay in the program ?? where are they going when they leave?? we should insist that they be given tickets back to wherever they came from. Prince George dose not need anymore Drug Addicts hanging around Downtown. We are killing our Downtown by allowing the Goverment to push all these so called services into our City and not asking any questions.