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Red Rock Residents Get No Say In Bio-Solids Use

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Thursday, February 04, 2010 04:00 AM

Truck    dumps a load of  bio-solids at a reclamation  project
Prince George, B.C.- It was a packed house at the Red Rock Volunteer Fire Hall as   more than a hundred area residents attended a special open house to   hear about the plan to spread bio-solids on a Patterson Road property.
If the residents had hoped to have a say in whether or not the bio-solids will be spread in their neighbourhood, they were sadly mistaken.
Sylvus Environmental (consulting firm from New Westminster) Senior Environmental Scientist John Lavery told the gathering that under the regulations for the use of Bio solids, there is nothing that requires them to hold public consultation.   
(at  right, bio solids, as they will be  spread  on the  Patterson Road property)
Area residents knew nothing about the plan for the Paterson Road Property until a  three sided berm had been constructed a little over two weeks ago, and then a sign went up advising that bio-solids would be used on the site. That got the Red Rock area residents upset, especially since no one they contacted,   seemed to know anything about the plan. Lavery said they were caught off guard “We did not anticipate this kind of interest.   I have a personal apology to make,   because this just doesn’t happen. Had I known   there would be this kind of interest, I would have been knocking on doors.”
That knocking on doors wouldn’t involve asking anyone for permission though, as the site is privately owned property, and use of    bio-solids is   regulated under the Organic Matter Recycling Regulation   to ensure health and environmental protection.
For  the better part of two hours, Red Rock area   residents were given a lesson in Bio-Solids 101, how   what you flushed down your toilet, or let run down the drain, ends up being valuable fertilizer after it’s been   treated and purified, and   the water has been removed.
The   experts say it has a positive fertilization   factor for forestry, as it provides rich nutrients for trees, resulting in rapid growth. 
( at left,   both tree slices are from the same species both aged five years, the large one was treated with bio solids, the small one received no fertilizer.)
Does it smell? Yes, say the experts from Sylvis Environmental, but   they  say it smells more like musty peat moss than sewage.
Will it impact water resources, like groundwater or will the rain cause it to run off into Red Rock Creek?  No, the experts say the nutrients in bio-solids are more stable and are released over several growing seasons.
That still wasn’t enough to satisfy those in attendance who pressed for answers to questions on everything from the chemicals in bio solids to the presence of pharmaceuticals in this waste. They expressed anger over having Prince George dump this waste in their backyard.
The fact is,   the Patterson Road property is privately owned. The owner expressed interest in having the bio solids    spread over the 30 hectare block.   2,500 cubic meters of bio solids will be required to   fertilize that area “If you spread that out like a blanket, it would be less than one centimetre thick” said Lavery. 
The Patterson Road Property is not the only   one in that area interested in using  Bio solids. The PRT Nursery will have   about 1,000 cubic metres of the stuff spread on a 10 hectare block  on its property.
Prince George produces about 3,000 cubic metres of bio solids a year, that's about 100truck loads per year. “This is not something new, this is not something nasty” said Lavery. 

Bio- Solids facts:

·        Prince George has been spreading bio-solids throughout the region since 1989.
·        91% of  bio solids in the past have been spread on three farms in the region.
·        9% was applied to forestry applications to spur growth on reclaimed roads and landings.

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Looks like the only branch of government admitting to spreading it around. One centimeter in Red Rock, ten meters around the province.
Shi@@y
If the Tahltan Indian Band of Dease Lake is allowed to establish armed blockades on public roads to stop people from hunting, the community of Red Rock should be allowed to do the same to stop people from dumping? If anything its worth a shot, the Tahltan were not forced to remove thier blockade, they were merely asked to by phone call. Since we all live under the same laws and regulations you should be able to do the same.
"That still wasn’t enough to satisfy those in attendance who pressed for answers to questions on everything from the chemicals in bio solids to the presence of pharmaceuticals in this waste."

Precisely.
I wonder what the city of PG paid to have this company baffle us with bs. I moved out here to get away from the stench in town.

We had to take a permit out, to cross the creek to our property, but the city can dump their crap in our back yard, and creek with no permit, something literally stinks.
I liked it when Bob Headrick on the news last night told the mayor to dump it on his yard to see how it works..
Where is the City's $100,000/year communications expert?
If a permit frm the MoE is required for this, then it can be appealed. I understood from the previous article on this that a permit had not yet been issued. There is a 30 day period for appeal.
http://www.compost.org/Biosolids_Composting_FAQ.pdf

From the above
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6. ARE THERE ANY CHALLENGES WHEN USING BIOSOLIDS IN COMPOST?

Education of stakeholders continues to be one of the largest challenges in biosolids recycling. Stakeholders can include biosolids generators, land owners and neighbours, private citizens, government representatives, and non-government organizations. Each stakeholder group has specific concerns which must be addressed individually in a professional and conscientious manner.

A large proportion of the population has a natural antipathy towards biosolids. Knowledge of the origin of biosolids is often sufficient to confirm the laypersons’ negative opinion of it.

Stakeholder consultation is a powerful method of increasing knowledge and promoting acceptance of biosolids. The acceptance of biosolids use by stakeholders is an integral part of the development of a successful biosolids reclamation program.
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There you be ...... no stakeholder consultation and the "shit hits the fan".

Sould borught on that $100,000 superman before and theis would all have been such a slice that communities around PG would have been outdoing themsleves trying to get some of this stuff ..... me first!! .. no, no ME first!!!
Red Rock residents, don't let it happen. I agree with "superdave" on this one.

They(the city) were trying to slip it in without you noticing, nasty bastards! I am so sick and tired of PG City council and their stupid decisions. Is Patterson Road even within the city boundries? I think not. So if it is not, why doesn't Prince George dump their sh!+ in their own back yard?

Just wondering!
I almost don't know what to say! All of the above opinions mirror mine. Awesome,
y'all agree with me, or I agree with y'all.
Whatever, what is needed here is an informed educated expert on the issue of biosolids who does not necessarily agree with the governments. Let's face it, enough people know about the potential for heavy metal or pharmaceutical contamination in bio solids rendered from municipal sewage that there has to be a grain of truth in our assumptions. Even if the contaminants are on the molecular level, how do we know that they will not cause harm to the ecology in the long run? Just trust the government or special interest groups? I don't think so!
metalman.
Not in my backyard... Waa, waa. Everyone of you produces it, but you're so grossed out by it you act as if it's nuclear waste. Get over it. It's damned good fertilizer. Stop throwing words around like "may contain" "could result" and other fearmongering. The most likely result you'll see in your neighborhood is a few more trucks and the city will ensure the road is maintained better as a result. (yeah I know it's out of city limits) Those that claim it has been an issue in Salmon valley are full of it themselves.
I'd like a dozen loads for my field.. in my backyard.
I agreed with the fellow who asked "if this stuff is such a good fertilizer,safe, and free, why is the city of Prince George not using it instead of paying for fertilizer every year?"
So many questions and not satisfying answers.
"Sh*tdisturber" call the City, I'm sure we all would be more than happy to dump this fertilizer in your back yard! What a ridiculous statement you make!

This isn't an outhouse in your back yard, this is the City's outhouse in Red Rock's back yard. Think about it!! Do you live there, I think not!

The whole "Process" is disgusting period!
Since many here seem to be so knowledgeable..
What would you have them do with it?
And what would you prefer the private owners of the property in question use for fertilizer?
Lets hear some solutions based on fact, not fear.

How can you be so certain that I don't have first hand experience with the stuff?
disturber - people wanted to make sure that what was being put on this land was not going to cause any long term damage, leak in to the river or make any neighbours sick. They have every right to know these things. If there was something in your neighbours back yard that could make you sick, your children sick wouldn't you question that? Not too many people know about biosolids and what they are. Unfortunately the people in Salmon Valley were not given the option to hear about it when it was used there. And why were there piles of it on the fields for years?? People have a right to know whats going on next to them if it concerns their health and their property value long term.
"The fact is, the Patterson Road property is privately owned. The owner expressed interest in having the bio solids spread over the 30 hectare block."

So, are you people proposing that the city tell land owners whether or not they can use fertalizers on their own private property?

It is, after all, fertilizer. Based on some of the reactions you would think we were talking about nuclear waste.
If its so safe why isn't the city using it in the parks, or school grounds? The people of Red Rock are worried about their creek that flows through many properties.

There are many documented cases in the US and Canada where bio-solid spreading has contaminated wells, and made people sick.
The stuff has to be properly worked into the soil. Dumped in piles, then spread out just prior to plowing. In the spring the ground is then tilled with a disc then seeded. Hardly the process that you would do to a city park or school field. Crop producing fields should be turned over every seven years, which is why the piles are not always immediately spread out.

"There are many documented cases in the US and Canada where bio-solid spreading has contaminated wells, and made people sick."

Show me
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FWIW, I have no stake at all in this process, like most of you.
Hey does it kill that nice little yellow flower that has become the city's flower what's it called oh ya dandelion if it does put it on the parks and the boulevards