http://www.alternaenergy.ca

Good company, good products, good location. It is about time we had this type of news story!!

It would be much better if this kind of thing was located north of town on some high ground. The wind blows down the Nechako valley from Isle Pierre right into the PG bowl... horrible location from an air pollution perspective.

Build these things on the high ground, so the smoke gets more dispersed. But building it in a valley where the wind blows into town is short term gain for long term air pollution. The Pinnacle Pellet operation in Meadowbank (south of Hixon) is a good example, as you can see the emissions from the highway... but being on high-ground it has lots of area to disperse so it works.

The facts are that we have enough fiber from the local mills that we could easily open up 5-6 new pellet plants in PG alone and still have enough fiber to keep them going... more so if bush grind was counted... even more so if Rustad and Winton Global were running and Plateau was to shut their beehive burner down. If we really wanted to we could start up another dozen pallet plants in the central interior no problem with the existing supply of available fiber... employing the same amount of people as the pulp mills and providing the same value added split off product function of the pulp mills to the greater forest industry as a whole.

With all the potential, one has to conclude the BC liberal industrial strategy is a failure. A failure to open up the industry, a failure to provide the infrastructure direction for expansion of a free enterprise competitive industry... failure to provide direction on where these plants could be located mitigating air shed concerns... failure to enforce existing regulations that would enable and encourage the incubation of this type of industry. Its like the blind leading the blind and anytime someone says we will locate here, the BC liberals have no plan so just follow along and show up for the signing announcements....

Great news someone wants to invest, but its the low hanging fruit IMO. It exposes the fact the BC liberals, the Fraser Fort George Regional District, and the City of PG really have no plan of their own that can pass the test of open transparency.

AIMHO

EagleOne....Many of the folks looking at opening pellet plants have walked away as the markets have changed dramatically due to the rise in the Canadian Dollar against all currencies.

The reason the plants are located where they are is they need to be beside the rail lines to keep shipping costs low.

I also think that many entrepreneurs are cautious as they do not know where the fiber supply will come from after the AAC is reduced.

"The facts are that we have enough fiber from the local mills that we could easily open up 5-6 new pellet plants in PG alone and still have enough fiber to keep them going... "

European markets just aren't feasible for pellets in the current economy - and North America cannot buy all the pellets being made now - let alone if more pellet plants opened.

The already existing pellet companies are hurting. They don't need more competition.

The key phrase is : "the wind blows". When the wind blows, there is virtually no air pollution problem. I say virtually because if there is a wind from the south, which is the single most comon wind direction in PG, it will actually bring some of the PGR industrial site pollutants to the Plaza monitoring station.

The assumption is that this plantg will use BAT scrubbing technology to get rid of 90% of the particulates in the air emissions. We have to remember that their entire operation is built to capture carbon, so they will be reducing what goes up in the air.

My one concern is their possible interest in tires. We will have to look out for what they do with capturing VOCs if that will be part of their intended feedstock.

They are 30 km to the west. I am more concerned about the impact of water quality depending on the industrial process used.

And then we are going to open up Site C. Another Zionist/Liberal conspiracy?

Alterna are trying to do the right thing. It is high time that they might finally get something big going. This is different than wood pellets and has the potential to mothball existing pellet plants or retool them to producing carbon pellets.

jales4 hits it on the head.

How "green" is this energy anyway?
All these pellets, the majority anyeay, get shipped to Europe, who is having trouble affording it now, by diesel rail and diesel ships. How much carbon is being offset by all that fossil fuel being burned to ship it?
It almost sounds like a false positive to me. To make it worse, all the mills that used the majority of that fibre as hog fuel, a real green energy source, are now having to compete for it, driving the price up.

Short circuiting the carbon cycle is far from being "green". Using water, wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, etc .... THAT's green!!!

What makes them a "good company" Gus?

Thanks to everybody for this informative discussion.

Much appreciated.

Dragonmaster ....

Here are some of the reasons I think they are the kind of company we need more of, not that there have not been and are not others.

Local

Traditional roots in community and forest industry service provider - chips

Grew chip supply business by chipping in the woods - saves energy, shows ability to compete through adapting to new situations

Diversifying from roots of business to creating a product that is locally non-traditional - shows interest and ability to be entrepeneureal

Imported manpower to PG to work in applied research and product development - willingness to take risks by investing in the future of this city (take a look at the staff list on their web site)

Likely to add value through manufacture of special charcoal based products in PG for shipping worldwide

All in all, a good example of the new generation of forest industrialist that we need more of to connect our primary resource with an ever changing marketplace.

Finally, the type of forest product diversification (even though it is "old hat" in some parts of the world) that will hopefully be promoted more through a wood innovation centre - it is not all about creating a better 2 x 4 for construction as so many people believe

One more thing I forgot to mention.

I have a feeling that their "heart" is in the right place when it comes to combining envronmental concerns with the desire to create a viable business.

Eagleone

your rant fails to take into consideration some very simple facts.

1) Free enterprise

2) supply and demand.

your claim is their is enough fibre supply to have 10 or 12 more pellet plants? What do you base that on? A guess?

What happens when you add 10 or 12 more plants? There becomes a higher demand on fibre, thus driving up the cost of fibre.

What happens when you add 10 or 12 more plants? There becomes more finished product on the market thus driving down the price of the product to the consumer.

So, in the end, if we use your economic model we end up with a collapsed market.

That is where free enterprise comes in, before they spend the capital required to build these plants they actually look at those factors, then they determine if it is feasible or not.

Of course as with everything else according to you, its a HUGE fail by the government.

Eagleone,

sorry, you said 5 or 6 new plants, not 10 or 12, my mistake, but other than that I stand by everything I said.

opps, I see where you got the 12 figure from, the next line in your rant, so please ignore the "sorry" post above.

Just going by memory here, maybe somebody could clarify for me, but about 5-7 years ago did the government not put out to tender 2 or 3 major timber liscences directed at pellet plants and chip plants? If I remember Ainsworth was high bidder on these and had a plan to build 2 plants in the area, one south of town and one west? After more studies it was determined that it was a money losing venture and they walked away?

Gus:-"And then we are going to open up Site C. Another Zionist/Liberal conspiracy?
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Aside from the usual "anti-Semitic" inference often erroneously associated with the word "Zionist", that may not be far off.

If Eagleone has been using one of his favorite, much mis-understood terms as descriptive of those who hold a vision of a "One-World Government", that is.

One whose 'Policy' is controlled by a financially savvy elite, not all Jews, by any means, but universally subscribing to a philosophy that originally arose from elements of Judaism.

This "elite" acts in its own interests, which are considered, by it, to be what's really "good for us". Regardless of whether WE think so or not.

I believe our Mr. Campbell is very much in tune with this ideology. He is definitely a "Global groupie". So are virtually ALL the other Leaders of all the current Parties active in this country. Their only differences being the "methods" to be employed in achieving their desired end.

The main attraction for the Campbell government in developing Site C is that it provides an excuse for a further infusion of a massive amount of 'new credit' into the BC economy now that their main previous infuser of 'new credit', the Olympic construction projects, have run their course.

Without borrowing more, what has been borrowed already cannot be amortised in its totality. The proposed HST provides the additional premium for the extra 'risk' involved, an extraction commonly known as "interest".

We will eventually get electric power out of Site C, of course. We'll have paid for it in its entirety by then through the RISE IN PRICES its construction will induce. Then we'll get to pay for it again. And we wonder why there's never enough "money".

Socredible, we use more power in our homes than ever. We have the cheapest power rates in the world. Of course its going to be going up. We should just be greatful for all the years we enjoyed the cheap rates.

Socredible .... WE, eh? Who exactly would that be? Sort of like the minister talking for God? When you speak, you speak for WE? When I speak, I speak for WE? ... nice try .... or maybe the pollsters speak for WE. LOL.

WE did put the "elite" in control.

Every now and then there is a revolution to correct the taking of the wrong fork in the road and voila, a new elite has arrived.

Would you consider many world governments that decide to get along with each other to be one world government? I see the former happening, but certainly no sign of the latter.

But hey, we can continue to have wars. It is, after all, virtually the only way we know how to be productive. Destroy and build, destroy and build.

http://www.trueconspiracies.com

One world government .... one of the more important issues with several of the religious right organizations .....

Boy ... just reading that stuff ... unbelievable .... we really have not progressed very much, have we?

"one world church which will serve Satan"

Stomping Tom one single example I have is the Pinnacle Pellet Plant at Meadowbank. They use about 6-loads a shift and currently receive nearly 40-loads a shift. They have probably 4000-loads in stockpile on both sides of the highway. Currently expanding to met their new contracts, but in no way can they expand enough on that site to handle what they are currently taking. They could take no more shipments for another year and still have enough on hand to run at full production IMO.

Northwood, probably has 5,000+ loads of hog on their stockpile... Plateau burns about 25-loads of hog a day in their beehive burner. Winton Global and Rustad would produce 30+ loads a day... nothing stops any one from utilizing bush grind from dead pine trees of which we have an endless supply.

So yes 5-6 new pallet plants easy... possibly 10-12 in the future no problem without even touching bush grind yet, just utilizing existing saw mill byproducts.

Rail access is essential to these operations, which is further reason why new plants should be located north of town near Salmon valley where the air blows int he right direction, lots of flat ground, and plenty of rail right away, all of it in no way ever to be a threat to the cities drinking water. If the plans and the infrastructure were going forward with government, then the private sector would have something to work with when going about financing and the obsticles to investment would all but be eliminated.

Free enterprise is the equality of opportunity to new entrants based on a level playing field that is regulated to ensure a fair end equitable market place governed by the rule of law and the rule of the market forces. Under this economic model if one business fails, then its assets and market are harvested by its competitors (for pennies on the dollar), and no business is subsidized to stay in business against the market forces of the others. In this economic model the producers have the power and not the financier perverting markets with leveraged speculation and debt financing. The winner is innovation, efficiency, sustainability, and dedication to a good business model.

Ainsworth was a fiber board plant. They halted plans when the US housing market crashed and not because of fiber supply problems. They could easily use pine beetle wood and I think that was their plan all along... we are not short of pine beetle wood.

As for site 'C' I'm still up for debate on this, but I'm leaning towards not favoring it. That's the best farm land in hundreds of miles. Maybe if every square foot of top soil was excavated and hauled to local farms or stock piles,then I could support this? Its doable and has a significant cost, but all costs should be fully accounted for and not used to subsidize the green light for this project, as was wrongfully done in the past. The world is running short of agrible land and top soil, and to see that much quality soil go to waste is a shame to have happen.

We have so many other options. My dads brother works for a company for example that is generating electricity in the ocean from ocean currents in the deep ocean canyons off of South America. It has huge potential because the ocean current is funneled into small canyons, some only a kilometer wide that go down 10's of kilometers deep... have tremendous steady current equivalent of far more than a mere dam on land destroying prime farm land. There biggest problem is submarines that use these canyons to hide and cut their anchor cables in the process. They can't be detected by the submarines, but that's a minor issue in the long run.

Gus, that's a false flag web link. Disinformation at best. It means to implicate Christianity for the crimes and conspiracy of a zionist banking class. Its getting harder and hard for them to hide the truth.

:)

Eagleone,

So in your opinion there is plenty of fibre supply to build 10 or 12 more plants. Nowhere do you address what the added demand for raw product will do to the price, nor do you address what will happen to the end user market with the over supply.

Please give me one example where the local or provincial government has stood in the way of the development of a pellet plant?

Gus, WE put an 'elite' in charge of ADMINISTRATION. Which is a 'technical' matter. Something for 'technicians', and of necessity, as is all management, "heirarchical" and "autocratic".

It has to be this way, because when it comes to the 'administration', of anything, it always comes down to one person making the final decision.

It can be 'consulatative', and often is, but at the end of the process ONE person will be the decider. You cannot "socially" ADMINISRTATE anything.

WE find those 'technicians' in the Civil Service. Where they belong. They are the "experts", or we hope they are.

They are those highly paid people who actually have the "administrative" skills to run the government.

Unlike those WE 'elect' to office, who are at best 'second-rate experts', and mostly far from even being that.

Their function is, properly, something quite different. It is to determine POLICY. What "WE, the People", want in the way of RESULTS from OUR government. And what we DON'T want. And see that WE get it from those "experts" who are supposedly capable of getting it for us. Those ones we want "on tap". Not "on top". The ones who those in charge of POLICY should (always be able to) replace if they're unable to deliver.

For the determination of POLICY is, or should be, in any country that calls itself a 'democracy', (or in any world that ever hopes to have a single government that is not the ultimate tyranny), vested in, "WE, the People." It is "democratic", not "autocratic".

When Administration usurps, always ultimately for its OWN priority of interest and benefit, the overall ability to MAKE POLICY as well as IMPLEMENT it, we have embodied one of the tenets that originated in the philosophy of Judaism.

This has nothing to do with the nonsense, much of it virulently "anti-Semitic" and "race-based" that emanates from the far-right in the USA, here, and elsewhere. It is a simple statement of FACT.

You can read all about it in your Bible, if you're interested in studying the relgious background. I'm not so particularly inclined, myself. You'll find it in Exodus, the part Cecil B DeMille left out of his movie, "The Ten Commandments", where the "Administration" (Moses) imposed HIS "Policy" on his, by then, somewhat restive followers after he returned from his little sojourn up Mt. Sinai. By butchering every last one of them that wouldn't fall in line. "Thou shalt not kill", indeed!

It is a philosophy which posits that Man was made to serve some System. Rather than that all Systems are devised to serve Man. That is the same philosophy that is behind Zionism, Fascism, Communism, and State Socialism.

It is a "militarist" philosophy, necessary, probably, when we are engaged in a war with some other group that also holds it. Witness the 'brain-washing' that a US Marine Corps recruit undergoes in his basic training that the 'individual' Marine is completely unimportant, and essentially 'nothing', but the Marine CORPS itself is 'everything'.

So get out there and sacrifice yourself, so the CORPS can live on and achieve greater "glory". Not much different from that held by the Islamic extremists on the other side who sacrifice themselves by being suicide bombers for Allah.

It is a philosophy that elevates the "Group" to superiority over the "Individuals" associating within it. That is the current philosophy behind "One-world Government". The centralising of ALL POLICY into ADMINISTRATION.

Eagleone:-"In this economic model ('free-entrprise') the producers have the power and not the financier perverting markets with leveraged speculation and debt financing. The winner is innovation, efficiency, sustainability, and dedication to a good business model."
----------------------------------------No, Eagle, the "PRODUCERS" do NOT have "the power". Nor should they. That is NOT, and CAN NOT EVER BE, "free-enterprise."

In true "free-enterprise" it is CONSUMERS who "have the power".

They, (WE, actually, because WE are ALL 'Consumers'), 'vote', by the spending of their dollars for what THEY want, and determine who will succeed and who will not.

When you give that "power" to the PRODUCER, you're in effect allowing those Producers to dictate to the public like old Henry Ford once thought he was able to do. Have his car in "...any colour you want, as long as it's black." That might've suited him just fine, but the public who he was supposed to be "serving" had other ideas.

For it is CONSUMER 'demand' that is the only sane origin of ALL economic activity. In any economy, from the simplest, one-man-on-a-deserted-island-Robinson Crusoe-type-one, to the most complex imaginable.

We 'produce' to 'consume'. NOT to "make work", and NOT to achieve some "financial return". These latter two objects are entirely secondary to the primary purpose of ALL 'production' under any kind of a genuine free-enterprise system.

Until we restore to CONSUMERS the right and ability to be able to make consumer demand fully financially "effective" demand, right up to the full ability of the production system to meet that demand, or the actual satiation of it, whichever comes first, we're going to continually have a "financial" poverty in the midst of a "physical" plenty for more and more of our citizens.

And we will continue to engage in both 'financial' and 'productive' perversions that will only succeed in making the whole situation worse.

He spoke:-"Socredible, we use more power in our homes than ever. We have the cheapest power rates in the world. Of course its going to be going up. We should just be greatful for all the years we enjoyed the cheap rates."
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That is entirely debatable. You may be too young to remember the various promotions that BC Hydro once engaged in to get us all to use MORE electric power.

The "Medalion Homes", where anything and everything that could be powered electricly was vigorously encouraged. Including electric heat. And this was in the days of single-pane windows, and a well-insulated place might have a couple of inches of Zonolite in the attic.

True, we didn't have computers then, or big screen TVs, or kids playing video games endlessly. But we certainly didn't have appliances that were energy-efficient by today's standards either. Or lighting. And kids played with electric trains, and other amusements that were also plugged in to the electric outlet.

We may use 'more' power now because there are 'more' of us. But look back at the industry we have LOST, and continue to LOSE, and there's been an enormous 'freeing-up' of power demand, too.

We put in those dams, and flooded those valleys, to ensure that we would have adequate electric power for our needs far into the future. We were to get the 'downstream benefits' from the Columbia back when we needed them, as electric power for OUR needs, thirty years after the dams were built. We did, but what did we DO with THAT power?

This was done to support OUR citizens and OUR industries, using a 'natural advantage' we have over other countries. Who, in turn, will be supporting their industries through alternate 'natural advantages' they have over us there.

I've never heard of any proposal for Californians to have to pay 'more' for agricultural products that grow more abundantly there than here simply because they feel guilty in being able to get more than one crop a year from having more sunshine.

Yet somehow we're supposed to now feel guilty that something we have in abundance, hydro-electricty, has been priced too cheap, and the only way for us to ease our collective consciences is for us to pay 'more'.

We may certainly now be a net 'importer' of electric power, when measured strictly on a kilowatt basis.

But if we 'import' electric power that is generated 'thermally' in other jurisdictions in the "off-peak" overnight hours ~ a practice that allows those thermal plants to run efficiently at close to their capacity, instead of being throttled back and losing much of their efficiency ~ while we are simultaneously storing up more water behind those dams to be released to generate power for sale back to those other power suppliers in their "peak" daytime periods, and at a "premium" price per KwH, this sort of distorts the picture somewhat.

You say "we should be grateful for all the years we enjoyed cheap rates". He spoke, we PAID for those dams, as they were being built, through "inflation". Through the RISE in Consumer prices that literally filched the purchasing power of every dollar that had been saved, or was being made, in BC at that time.

It was an enormous price to pay, (considering we've also paid for them a few times over since then more conventionally), and it eventually ended the rule of what was without question the most able government we have ever had in BC, WAC Bennett's long-running regime.

What is truly ironic is that within the original tenets of Mr. Bennett's "Social Credit" League, (it hadn't descended into calling itself a "Party" at that point), were the 'tools' that could've been applied to prevent that "inflation". They were never used. When we fail to learn from the mistakes we've made, to learn from our history, we're fated to repeat those mistakes. Again, and again, until we DO learn.

"We 'produce' to 'consume'"

I would say that when one goes back to the real basics, we produce to 'survive', or to 'live'.

In order to 'survive' a human, like any other animal, must consume food at the least. Next will likely come some sort of protection - to protect the body, to protect the group, if on is with a group, from all elements and other animals, including other humans.

The effort required to survive is minimal in some parts of the world, while extreme in other parts. Thus, in some parts of the world people have to produce more through their efforts than in others. That still holds true to this day.

Thus, any measure we make of comparing one country or geographical region to another is fraught with some major inequities. In a country as large as Canada, extremes due to geographical location are typically greater than in a smaller country.

While fertile land, whether for hunting or agriculture, was once a requirement for a civilization to flourish, that has been replaced by other factors now, such as sitting on oil which can buy all those things that are not present in that location. Just to use two extremes. There are a multitude of variations of that and some are more time sensitive than others.

I am glad to know that we have an elite who are smart enough to figure it all out and head the world in the right direction under one world government, Zionism, the religious right, or whatever .......

:-)

Socred, you are right about the consumer, but it didn't make my statement wrong... maybe clarified it a bit. My argument was that business is accountable to the markets (ie the consumer), where as the financiers are not and thus manipulate the appearance of markets or the financial metrics through debt and leverage for short term gains that are not sustainable in a truly free market.

Well its good that you are glad we have global tyranny Gus. But it is not good for the world and will lead to a lot of people being killed, having their lives shortened, and hard working individuals having their quality of life stolen from them for the perverse interests of unaccountable tribalists.

Canada fought world wars to help bring the world into a multilateral form of geo politics free from tribalist interests of empire and banksters... a world of sovereign nation states working through equitable mechanisms for solving global disputes. To turn your back on that is to turn your back on the sacrifices made by Canadians in those past wars that shaped the world.

Stephen Harper said an attack on Israel is an attack on Canada. He is the first Canadian Prime Minister to say this, as Canada has never had a military relationship with Israel prior, because Israel refuses to sign any alliance agreement that would clarify its boarders and compel it to advise with its 'allies' prior to attacking another nation. Currently Israel plans to set the world afire with attacks on Lebanon and Iran and they have no plans on consulting with the world on their attacks, or getting the permission of global bodies like the UN. They will start the war under the knowledge they have lacky puppets in places like Canada that will knee jerk reaction their way into finishing what Israel starts.

Israel plans to use their nuclear weapons in this next war of theirs... they plan to nuke Iranian underground nuclear sites thus contaminating the ground for hundreds of thousands of years with radiation, and sending deadly radiation clouds throughout the northern hemisphere. Stephen Harper encourages this with Israel. Iran on the other hand plans to retaliate with WMD of their own, which can be just as deadly with an array of conventional warheads that can deliver the same kind of devastation (without the radiation), plus the use of biological weapons that could kill one in every three people on the planet if released on the globe in an existential war... Israel will then wipe out every major city with their nukes within a 5000 mile radius (friend or foe).

The NWO actors all hide out in Israel from prosecution in other countries. Israel refuses to allow other countries to prosecute Israeli citizens, and Israel was set up by the banksters (ie Rothchilds, Herzl) to act as a base for their illegal global operations designed to control the high ground of all nations the globe over. Israel has nearly 200 nukes in all the triad of forces from air, to missile, to cannon, to land mine, to submarine launch... and every major capital city in the world is targeted by their forces as black mail to their tribalist designs.

Israel did not attend Obama's nuclear proliferation summit because they are exceptional and above the laws the rest of mankind have to live up to... a summit where Harper willingly gave up Canada's rights to possess enriched uranium, and yet Israel refuses to accept even the signing of the Non Proliferation Treaty against weaponization of nuclear technology that even Iran has signed on to (yet Canada gave Israel free trade status with Canada as their reward)... Israel refuses any international observers of its nuclear activities, threatens its neighbors with nuclear destruction, and expects the world to attack any neighbor that doesn't adhere to Israeli foreign policy or questions the aparthide policy withing Israel/Palestine.

These NWO people are the ones that created the current economic climate through fraudulent banking practices (as highlighted by Goldman Sacks recent charges by the SEC for their involvement in the housing crisis). These banking practices undermine anyone that respects the law and played by the rules, they undermine people that save and invest for their future, they undermine companies that play by the rules and yet compete with competitors that are highly leveraged using slave labor and disregarding labor and environmental norms (ie globalization for the lowest common denominator). These NWO people have no respect for the democratic will, much less the sovereignty of nations. These NWO people undermine anything that is good for human kind and anything that can provide society with healthy alternatives, healthy outlooks on life, and healthy relationships... their agenda is to degenerate mankind into a form of slave labor for their apocalyptic re-engineering of the world to solidify their rule over the entire planet. How that can be good in anyone's eyes is beyond me.

Make no mistake... they are manipulating our stock markets, commodity markets, and our economy through interest rates and money supply to buy time... their ponzi scheme has almost run its course and then we will see war, lots of war, war like mankind has never before witnessed. Make no mistake Israel will play the lead role in bringing the world to war and even if a country like Canada was to remove our current leadership and avoid joining this war directly... we will all feel the ramification of it through the fallout that will encompass the entire planet. To say you support those megalomaniacs is to encourage their boldness to continue down the path of armageddon that they are leading us towards.

AIMHO

Gus:-"I am glad to know that we have an elite who are smart enough to figure it all out and head the world in the right direction under one world government, Zionism, the religious right, or whatever ......."
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I think what you seem to be saying, Gus, is that there would be nothing wrong with the institution of "human slavery", so long as the "slaves" were all perfectly comfortable and well cared for.

Well, there IS something very much wrong with it. Those enrolled in it are still "slaves".

There's the Eagleone we all know and love.

Socredible .... I should have put a wink or somethng after that comment. I still, too often, make the mistake of making tongue-in-cheek comments in writing.

It was actually a comment about the complexity of what the world tick and that as hard as many groups try to influence that, they are typically unsuccessful. Their world, like Hitlers' or Tito's might appear to work for a while, but eventually they will unravel and other forces will take over.

Your interpretation raises the interesting question of whether I am in favour of benevolent "dictatorships". I think they can be very positive forces to institute quick changes when those are considered to be in the best interest of the survival of a society.

NWO ... you mean you are blaming the Freemasons, eagleone?

We need to educate ourselves, right eagelone? Will that allow us to survive?

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo

What will the world look like in 500 years? God only knows. No one even knows what it will look like in 100 years. Tons of books written about it and movies made about it. Which scenario will prevail?

All I know is that LIKELY the one which will prevail will be considered to be the right one and that there will be those who will resist that. That is based on the theory that "human nature" will prevail. Strife continues. It is why we have gotten to where we are.