Okay everyone, if you haven't signed yet go down to the professional building at 1705 3rd Ave. You can sign the petition there. I believe they are closed Mondays but otherwise are open during the week and I think a half day on Sat. Stand up and be counted!

Come on PG Mac do your thing

Go HST!
Pat Bell,Shirley Bond,John Rustad,be afraid.
Do you hear footsteps coming up behind you yet?
Guess what,it is the people of your ridings who told you told vote against the HST.
You chose not to listen to them, as you usually do,...huge mistake.

... and that would be anti-HST!

The office at 1705 Third Avenue is open from Tuesday to Friday 12 Noon to 5Pm and Saturdays from 10am to 5pm. Thats whats posted on their door.

Anyone who hasnt signed and wants to should go down and sign. They are still doing door to door, however who knows if they have been to your place and you werent home.

On another note for those who think this HST thing is a good deal.

Greece has an income tax of 25% of earnings of approx 50,000.00 per year.35% on earnings over that to about $85000.00 and then 40% beyond that. In addition in March of this year their VAT **Value added tax** will be increased from 19% to 21%. In addition they have a 10% VAT rate that applies to food and medicine.

So if that is not bad enough, guess what. The bloody country is in debt up to its ying yang, and has borrowed more money than they can ever hope to repay, and will now have to reduce costs, cut jobs, and basically ransack the Country for money.,

If the bloody HST or VAT was so great how could this possibly happen. ANSWER. Very simple. If you give the Government easy taxing authority, they will tax and spend until the Country goes broke.

If you want to control Government you have to control their spending.

Get out and sign the petition. Lets see if we can stop this taxing madness.

Have a nice day.

Greece also has a huge problem with tax non-compliance. It doesn't much matter what your tax rates are if you don't collect them. In a way, the irony in Greece is simply stunning. People refusing to pay tax and then whining when their country is on the brink of bankruptcy because their government can't afford to run the place. At some point the people need to realize that they are a huge contributor to their own problem. But hey, every man for himself I suppose. I guess to them, becoming nothing more than a controlled state of Germany and the rest of the EU is worth saving a few bucks in taxes every year.

NMG. They are not on the brink of bankruptcy because they dont pay their taxes although that would be part of the problem. The fact of the matter is when you are paying 25% or more in income tax, and 21% in VAT plus other taxes, and the Government is borrowing billions of dollars, you have a serious ;problem.

Part of the problem is the huge salaries and benefits paid to Government workers, POliticians, and who ever else can get thier snout into the trough.

Dont try and make excuses for the dismal behaviour of the Government etc; for this problem. It was the bloody Government that created this problem pure and simple, and the same thing will happend in other EU Countries, and Canada if we dont smarten up.

There is no excuse for Government waste. Overtime it will kill the Country. We need to get our Government to be fiscally res;ponsible. Thats the bottom line., The alternative is a very very serious depression, with all the attendent ;problems that will bring.

No one, and I mean no one, in this Country should be supporting increases in taxes, or increases in Goverment spending,. Its time to wake up and smell the roses.

No doubt that they have to get their government spending under control, however, if you believe that their tax non-compliance isn't a HUGE contributor to their problem, you simply haven't looked at the specific situation in Greece enough. When it comes to turning a blind eye to tax non-compliance, Greece is the champ. They are far more lax than major countries like Germany, the US, Canada, etc.

Addressing the spending side is certainly important but if you don't collect what should be coming in, it will kill you just as quickly.

Some very basic Internet research on Greece's issues with tax compliance, as compared to other major nations, will show you rather obvious differences between their specific situation and what you proclaim we are headed for in Canada. This doesn't mean I support the HST but I'm also smart enough to recognize a red herring when I see it :)

Greece is in debt because the Americans, British, and French seel them expensive arms for the military and refuse to allow Greece to cut its expenditures in that area.

Greece has the highest per capita military spending in the world. Germany is now being asked to pick up the tab for the military spending induced economic crisis. Greece also has a socialist state structure and that doesn't help matter either, but facts are its their military spending that is completely out of control in relation to the size of their economy.

Greece and the group of PIGS countries will crash the Euro IMO. American hedge funds will make sure of that because there is a lot of money to be made doing it.

Global media will focus on collecting more taxes in Greece, but the fact of the matter is they over spend on military and no one will say a word about that or ask for those expenditures to be reduced.

Greek military spending is on par with their neighbor Turkey, but with one sixth the population to support those expenditures. Its easy to blame spending on social welfare when you overspend on the military and that is in part a large reason why Greece has their fiscal problems. The bailout partners refuse to allow Greece to cut its military spending and thus the special case for the bailout that no one will talk about.

The problem in every modern country is that it's financial system is no longer fully self-liquidating.

This means the otherwise unrepayable 'floating' debts of the private sector periodically have to be transformed into the unrepayable 'fixed' debt of the public sector to enable the financial system to carry on.

"Fixed" in the sense that, once public, this debt is "permanent" ~ it CAN'T be paid off. And it never is. It's 'rolled over', as one set of government bonds, T-bills, etc. matures and another set is issued to replace it.

This is NOT to say there are NOT endemic problems with government waste, corruption, over-taxing to try to compensate for non-compliance, overpaid politicians and bureaucrats, poor fiscal management, etc. There are. And in some places, like Greece, obviously, those problems are worse than in other jurisdictions. These are important issues which badly need to be addressed. Everywhere, including here.

But the MAIN reason why taxation is so high, and will only get higher, unless we take steps to correct the situation, (and signing the Petition against the HST is, for us, the best FIRST step ~ if we're brave enough to take it), is just what I've told you, whether you want to believe me, or not.

A National Debt, and to a slightly lesser extent, a Provincial Debt, in addition to being what the government "owes", is (currently) ALSO a 'DISTRIBUTING AGENT' for introducing 'new money' into the economy. Which enables private 'floating' debts, otherwise unrepayable in their totality in any modern economy with ongoing, generic 'labor displacement' present, to be more fully amortised as per how it was contracted.

This SHOULD NOT be NECESSARY. But it IS, and will continue to be, until we make the necessary accounting corrections that would enable, in the economy as a whole, 'money' itself to properly REFLECT the realities of actual Production and Consumption.

That is not difficult to do, any government COULD do it, (though a Province would have to have a government its people were solidly behind to make the attempt.) If we do not recognise this problem, and start to take corrective measures NOW, overall debt levels, BOTH private and public, will grow exponentially at a rate faster than the increased economic activity they enable will ever allow them to be amortised, or even continue to be serviced through ever increasing taxation. And we will have a financial collapse of truly catastrophic proportions.

Which some may see as a "good" thing. Only what we're likely to get afterwards I hardly believe anyone who thinks that way will see any "good" in whatsoever.

hst is a good thing, better get used to it,

HST is NOT a "good thing". Which leads me to wonder, if we'd "better get used to it", whether you think all the tax increases that will follow it will be "good things", too?

Are you going to continue to say "better get used to it" right up to the point where Taxes take ALL our incomes, and our free will to "choose or refuse one thing at a time" in our purchases will be given over to the bureaucratic dictates of "this is what you WILL have, whether you like it or not, so you'd 'better get used to it' "?

Or do you, in your blissful ignorance, like so many on the pro-HST side, believe this is the last tax we'll have to bear?

Look at the experience in other countries that have this form of taxation. They are further in overall DEBT with it in place than they were before it was put in place.

And the rate it came in at has steadily increased.

In New Zealand, for instance, it came in at 10%. It's now 12.5%, on virtually every purchase, including groceries, and payments for government provided services such as water and sewer, already paid for by other taxes. And it'll soon be going to 15%.

Are the Kiwis any better off? Not bloody likely! Their Bank interest rates for ALL borrowing, including loans to government, are well above what they are in Canada and the USA (in spite of all the latter's "debt" problems), while their overall standard of living has gone from 3rd in the world, where it once was, to 23rd, and is still falling.

Did they "pay off their National Debt" with it, like Mulroney told us the GST was going to do here? They did NOT! They're further in the hole than ever, and still sinking, and all the increased tax take will (try to) do is keep their government current on the (also soon to be increased) interest on its borrowings.

If we don't take a stand against this now, if we're too timid, too apathetic, too trusting of those in government who have repeatedly betrayed our trust, we truly will deserve what we're going to get. Only it won't be a "good thing", for anyone, I can assure you.

The petition can also be signed at the Fat Burger next to Canadian Tire.

Actually, I was mistaken in my numbers. For whatever reason, I dropped some numbers.
The "REAL" numbers are as follows;

PRINCE GEORGE MACKENZIE 5773

PRINCE GEORGE VALEMOUNT 6073

NECHAKO LAKES 3358

Well done to all of our dedicated volunteers.

It must also be noted that in Nechako Lakes, the anger towards John Rustad for not representing the constituents run hot, and he is declared "VULNERABLE TO RECALL" in November.
And it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

John Rustad is the HST ring leader is my hunch. Looking at Hansard a while back he was the point guy for the harmonizing of regulations under the TILMA deals with Alberta and Saskatchewan. The lowest common denominator for environmental regulations and such... I remember thinking at the time this guy hasn't talked about any of this with the people that voted him in. Ask any of his constituents and 99% of them wouldn't know John was the TILMA point man or even what TILMA was all about.

John Rustad has his own agenda IMO and his constituents are just convenient voters to get him elected based on his party and his name brand. Uneducated voters kept in the dark electing a guy to a hidden agenda... kind of like how we got the HST....

A new report concludes that Canadians are among the most indebted people living in advanced countries.

The report by the Certified General Accountants Association of Canada finds that household debt hit $1.41 trillion in December 2009. Thats $41,740 on average per Canadian and is worst among 20 advanced countries in the OECD.

Canadians kept adding on debt during the recession when interest rates were at record lows. Now with higher rates expected, they warn that those households would need to tighten their belts.

The report says mid-income and even higher income households would have to cut their budgets on other expenses by between nine and eleven per cent to maintain the same levels of spending on shelter, food and transportation. **The Canadian Press**

So considering that a large number of Canadians do not have any debt, what do you think the actual level of debt is for those who actually owe this money. Those people are in serious trouble. So is the Country.