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FRIDAY FREE FOR ALL - June 4th, 2010

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Friday, June 04, 2010 12:00 AM

It is friday and that means it is once again, your opportunity to  speak up on the  issues that matter to you.

It is  time for the Friday Free For All.

The rules remain  simple:

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A video of the most important moment this week for the history books… quiet possibly for the year, even decade or more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyjyDKcPSI

Watch this video of the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan condemning the Israeli raid on the Gaza aid ship. Put it in big screen and try and get a sense of the force he is making his argument with, and the rational he is using to make his point, and the ramifications that potentially could develop as a consequence of the diplomatic certainty with which he is speaking. This is a very important moment in history. You will notice the Iraqi Prime Minister is present, as well as many other Middle Eastern leaders and ambassadors.

Ask yourself what does this have at all to do with Canada? This could very well be the precursor to a wider Middle East war… and that in itself with its resources could be a precursor to a greater global war. Canada traditionally was the sober voice in the room that took the high road and based our policy on principles and integrity for the respect of others, and because of this in great part we have never suffered the indignity that comes from nations that find out the hard way why those things are important. Canada was the nation people looked up to for peacekeeping because we were seen as the fair minded on the global stage inventing the term middle power and soft power, because we always had the legitimacy of our values that we projected in our multilateral foreign policy.

Fast forward to this week. This week we had a qualified foreign war criminal visiting our country on a State Visit. Bad enough that we have a qualified war criminal here on a state visit, but he is also here to use our country, and our Prime Minister as a cover for a known operation that is about to go down with predictable results for an intended projection of intimidation… while simultaneously delivering war ultimatums in person that he would direct our nation to war with without open and transparent communication to the Canadian people… even when given the opportunity (on Mansbridge). Israel wants war with Iran, they want war with Pakistan, they want to never recognize the existence of human rights for Gaza and the Palestinians in general… they want Canadian politicians to endorse this or say nothing at all, but curse any that step out of line. Stephen Harper eats it up, and is spoon feed his logic straight from his ‘state visitor’. Harper plays his role well.

Fast forward across the ocean and you have Turkey that is a major power… one of the largest armoured forces in the world and has never lost in war to the West on its home soil. Turkey like it or not is a major strategic power in this world… they are a democracy, a vibrant economy, a NATO power and anchor in the east, and they have the moral support of the entire Middle East right now hailed as potential saviours to their (Muslim) sufferings at the hands of the zionists. Turkey has all the power right now.. they have the forces on the ground and in the air, they have the allies in the region, they have the legal authority under international law and NATO (probably guarantees by Russia as well), and most importantly they have seized the high moral ground if even for the people of the Middle East… and thus can say they have the integrity of international law, humanity, and the respect of the people in the region to be able to seriously motivate people to their agenda.

So while back here in Canada Stephen Harper was playing tribalist politics with his ‘state visitor’, getting Canada’s war marching orders in private, minimizing the on-going atrocities in progress on the international highseas involving known Canadian humanitarians… Turkey meanwhile was pointing to us in effect and saying ‘see those people have no moral authority’, ‘see they are hypocrites and their words mean nothing’, ‘see if you listen to them you will have no rights like those people on the humanitarian vessals’, ‘see if you want to be safe and protected than you need to join us on the high ground and take this war to the Zionists and their collaborators’ (in not so many or maybe more words). Essentially while Harper crapped his pants in the presence of a clearly more dominant man, thereby surrendering all that Canadians have strived for in our meaning as a country exemplified in our foreign policy since our earliest fog of nationhood, while Harper crapped his pants and set our foreign credibility on fire with an affirmative zeal… our NATO ally in Turkey was experiencing an indignation at the hands of our ‘state visitor’ and thereby gaining a moral high ground so huge that it could forever change the geopolitics of half the globe as nations realign around the new realities that have been laid so bare by the actions of weak minded politicians like our Prime Minister… and all the other MP’s that stand by in silence content to let others with no power to speak on their behalf for the dignity of our country. Ditto for the Americans… spineless all of them (politicians).

For sure that is the most important speech of the week, and like it or not it has global implications that do and will in a large way effect Canada, future Canadians, and quiet possible the men and women of our nation in uniform.

People need to think about that next time they vote… whether its in a poll that gives credibility to these politicians, or in a voting both trying to have your say. People need to wake up and realize that with out the respect of international law we in Canada become nothing to those that would harm our nation and its interests. Without universal respect for the law our society becomes nothing and disintegrates into tribal barbarism.

Some people might say while Israel can just nuke Turkey and the problem is solved… those are the people, and the people that provide cover for that possibility, that are our greatest threat in the years to come. That is the ultimate enabler of our eventual downfall from grace and yet all we here from our politicians here in Canada is silence… no leaders among them as we blindly march along.
Got my home securtity bill today and yes the HST is on there, thanks Mr Bell! Keep pounding the table in support.
I was wondering when a post would show up about Israels raid in international waters on the flotilla of humanitarian supplies.
My condolences to the family of American Furkan Dogan - 19 yrs. old who was shot 4 times in the head and once in the chest at close range. He must have been one of those terrorists who was picking on the elite squad of heavily armed commandos who came in shooting.
If the Liberal government of BC ignores the will of the people I hope the energy of the Anti-HST campaign will be harnessed for a recall campaign of all legislators who vote for the new tax.
Time for Pat Bell, for one, to return to peddling fast junk food. And Shirley Bond's energy could be refocused from closing schools and posing for photo-ops.

I'm SummerSoul and this is just SummerSoul's opinion.
I am curious what the outcome of the HST tax implementation vote would have been had it been a hidden vote instead of a show of hands....
I truly believe that Campbell has the whole Liberal party are scared of his repercussions should they go against him... (remember Paul Nettleton got canned for speaking out)
And on top of that all, I have it on good authority that the Martians have landed and are on the side of the Israelis.
Home security? How often has home security prevented break ins?
lol Gus!
As reported on this website "the Prince George unemployment rate for May is about half of what it was for the same month last year."

Isn't it true that these numbers DO NOT include those people who have had their EI expire and are now without ANY income?

Well that would explain the sharp drop in the numbers then.

It's a very misleading statistic.

http://pierrejoris.com/blog/?p=3719

Everyone, please watch the video. Warning! There is a lot of swearing in the 2nd half. Please ignore it and listen to what is being said. This is very disturbing to say the least.
Eagle, no matter who we vote for in any Canadian general election, the behind-the-scenes side you're against is still going to win. It calls the shots in ALL the current choices we're offered as government.

Either we've surrendered our sovereignty by hitching our wagon to the first intention of Zionism. It's
dominance, through Israel, over other nations in the Middle East. And what follows from that.

Or we've surrendered it
through the United Nations and "internationalism" to its second intention. The dominance of Zionism over the world. "One World Government".

That's the current choice. It
doesn't HAVE to be that way. But right now, that's the way it is.


who cares ,,hst will pass mulroney walks.govt is totally insane,they keep busting grow ups why dont they go to ottawa and victoria and with a little effort will find the real criminals hmmmmm that will never happen so ,,,, till then cheers
Got my cable bill with all three taxes on it. Should I keep my receipts just in case Gordy changes his mind at the last minute? On another note, can Opinion 250 have a draw based on the betting of the only two Liberals that are gonna be left in the next election? Winner gets his HST paid if he can afford to go out fer dinner. (Not at Wendy's) I kinda guessed Kim Campbell and John Charest. When it came to the last batch of dippers, who knew Jenny Kwan and Joy McFail were the last two? Who are gonna be the last two Liberals?
A big thumbs up to the Canadian Scottish Regiment who are holding their 48th Regimental Reunion this weekend at the Royal Canadian Legion here in P.G. Looking forward to taking in the parade from the Legion to the Centotaph on Sunday morning. Hats off to the Canadian Scotts...for the great sacrifices made!
Or we've surrendered it
through the United Nations and "internationalism" to its second intention. The dominance of Zionism over the world. "One World Government".

If you think the HST is the last new tax, just wait. An international government, the fourth level of government, needs to be fed. The HST is merely the precursor to what will soon be here. The HST was mandated above our government, each leader has been directed to institute this. My proof, Canada is not the first and other countries are currently in the process of implementing it.

It is the generals of industry, the global capitalists that are running the world. Our elected leaders are mere pawns of these untouchables. Yet, everyone will be running out to buy that cool new over priced disposable gizmo that is based on a service model (cell phones/iPhones). Why do you think they have made the new DRM and copyright laws in favour of the corporations rather than the consumers.

It is not a conspiracy to enslave. It is simply those with power wielding it for there own excessive gain. Even the generals of industry have masters. Their masters are the corporations that they have created. The corporation entity is an unfeeling relentless insatiable monster that is subservient to no one. The corporations are the true masters of this modern world.

Welcome to the 21st century, same sh!t, new day, new pile.
Has there been any update on the murder of the woman who was found in the gravel pit off Otway?
This is a beautiful sunny day! We live in one of the best places on Earth! Do we have some problems that need to be discussed and that need to be solved?

Sure.

The above mentioned Zionist/Israel/Palestine Gordian Knot is not one of OUR immediate problems, in my opinion.

It is truly global, international.

Let those countries who created this intractable situation worry about it and solve it - if it ever can be solved in a peaceful equitable manner.

It is the problem of then still Imperial Britain which abdicated its obligations to its Protectorate of Palestine with the tacit approval of the USA and a few others.

The UN approved the establishment of a new state on disputed territory in 1948.

Britain must take full and complete responsibility, together with its friend the USA.

I don't take sides. Jews and Palestinians used to live peacefully side by side and it can happen again!

Have a great weekend!
I thought the HST wasn't going to be implemented until July??? All THREE taxes? I thought the HST was going to be the ONLY tax...Kind of like consolidating the PST and GST? Have a I been under a rock? We are told we live in a democratic society but when it is obvious and there is proof that the people are against this and still goes through? Seems almost communist to me!
I believe the cable bills show GST/PST (=12%) for June, and HST (=12%) for July. Not 24% on both months.
Some middle east history, sorely needed here-http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
Boycott open netpen Farmed salmon!

When eating out ask your server if the salmon is open netpen farmed. If it is refuse to order it and tell them why.
When shopping for your salmon at the grocery store do the same thing. Believing the words of anyone that says it's good for you is like believing Campbell and Hansen on the HST. They are only in it for the money and themselves.

Boycott open netpen farmed salmon!
Look at that video in the link that IMO posted, it is very informative.
As for the long posting by Eagle-One at the top of this page, i agree, and would like to sum those comments up with a quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson:
"the price of freedom is eternal vigilence"
If we blithely ignore what is happening a half worl away in Turkey, or Greece, or Korea, ets. we may wake up one day to find we have lost the freedom that most of us were born with. Support our troops!
metalman.
IMO
it sure makes you wonder WHY!! why do they
not set the F*^king booms right?
why do they lie about it?
Dragonmaster not one piece of truth. Farmed salmon uses less protein than land based animals. Very little slice is needed to control lice it is not dumped in. Farmed salmon get lice from wild by the way.

I have fished all over the coast starting before farms and have had lice back then.

Slice and antbiotics if needed have to be stopped some time before harvest the same with any other farmed animals.

I suggest you update your information.
Leave it to Palistinian sympathizers to bring a knife to a gun fight.
Here is an interesting read on how the money one is paying for Hydro is going out of province. Big, big payoff for fibiral supporters.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2010/05/31/BCEnergyIndependence/
Dragonmaster here is some reading for you

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/lice-pou/lice-pou04-eng.htm
Here you go seamutt, if you need to cut and paste from another story I will do the same. Your DFO link above is nothing but garbage seamutt. DFO is part of the coverup. They fired all their scientists that tabled their findings and were speaking out against salmon farming.

As posted in another story

"Salmon farmer boy, you have a very short memory. Just a few weeks back we had this very same discussion. What do land based animals have to do with farmed salmon and how much protein they eat?

You say..."Farmed salmon uses less protein than land based animals".

Theres rocket science for ya. You are correct on that though. A grizzly bear eats way more protein than a farmed or even a wild salmon does.

It is a scientific fact that farmed salmon must eat approximately 3 lbs of protein to gain 1 lbs of weight. That protein consists of other fish that are harvested from the pacific Ocean and processed into the pellets used for their feed. Post your proof this is wrong!

You obviously don't see the problem with using 3 to achieve 1. Such a waste of other fish species that are taken from the mouths of wild salmon stocks to be used for the bank account filling of foreign companies. Don't you agree?

If it was the opposite that would be great.

You say once again..." Farmed salmon get lice from wild by the way"

Really, you think? Has anyone ever stated that farmed salmon are the source of the lice? No one has ever said that because everyone knows it's not true.

You say..."I have fished all over the coast starting before farms and have had lice back then".

You are kidding right? Are you suggesting someone has said there were no lice before salmon farms came into existance? Let me answer that for you.
Yes thats exactly what you are saying.

Sea lice are a natural thing. Salmon farms cause sea lice populations to explode and therein is the issue. Lice do not have any effect on adult fish. They do however effect them when they are little and return to the ocean. In fact the lice kill them.

Salmon farmers use a toxic chemical called slice to kill these lice infestations. Read up on it and learn the truth.

I provide backup for most of the information I post on this subject. You provide nothing other than your opinion.

Read what Health Canada says about farmed salmon.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/index-eng.php

Slice is also a wonderful thing.
http://www.farmedanddangerous.org/page/sealicechemical

Slice is not the only "DRUG" used in the production of farmed Atlantic salmon.
http://www.artsandopinion.com/2005_v4_n2/slice.htm

So there you go Seamutt as always, my info is updated and backed up. Yours???"
We need the HST to pay for all the Social Programs our Goverment provides. How would you like to have a BIG GAS GUSLING VAN with two Northern Health care workers driving around your neighbourhood looking for people to hand out NEEDLES to?? we seen it parked outside a apt. on l7th and on 20th,servicing customers,then on into the so called HOOD. Why is this VAN not driving all over town giving out its treats?? I can tell you why its the Citys way of keeping the Drug problems in one area of the City. Why do we need this Van driving around and around ,when we have a needle exchange. How much is it costing to run this BIG VAN??
Obviously some of you find it funny and a good topic for a joke when a people are being violated. It says a lot about your character (Gus and IMO). Its a serious issue that will effect us all for anyone that looks at the issue objectively.

Seamut the Middle East history link you posted is pure propaganda and has very little that relates to the actual history of the region. It is meaningless in today's circumstances regardless of what the claims are in that link. A link of propaganda that claims the people imprisoned in Gaza have nothing to do with the real motivation for conflict, but rather is the fault of the greater Arab world? Try tell that to people that are denied the land they owned, the farms they had to feed their people, their very water wells poisoned, and the medicine that any human society should have access to. The twisted logic in that link is nothing but rationalized collective punishment based on misrepresentation of known facts... too many to list... almost the whole article is a lie. Easy for someone to read it that has no knowledge of the issues and come away thinking they now know... probably a Mossad designed web link I would think.
I would also like to know, where do the people end up going when they drop out of the Baldy Hues treatment center?? Let me guess.
Gus do you have anything more serious to say about the issue. You obviously demean the topic of Canada having integrity in our foreign relations as the basis for our countries security. What is your alternative? Talk about martians to make the topic a joke and hope it goes away and nobody pays any attention to the atrocities?

Keeping our country safe comes down to having integrity in our relations with all peoples regardless of color or religion, and only through this integrity can we have the moral highground to insist on the rule of law being respected and actually have this mean something. Without the rule of law we are all doomed eventually.

Metalman is right with his Thomas Jefferson quote:
"the price of freedom is eternal vigilence"

I've heard it explained as the equivalent of holding your arms outstretched... eventually you lose strength and start to drop your guard... this is when evil uses the opportunity to make its inroads. Harper surrendered our integrity on the issue of Israel, and his record says he has little chance of ever getting that back for us. Harper is done as far as I can see if Canada is to stay safe and influential on the international scene. Canada is heading for an international tragedy of Harper and his ilks making.

We need new leaders in Canada that understand Canadian history and Canadian values that made us the country we are today... leaders with fresh arms to carry on our vigilance for the free society based on the rule of law that we inherited by the greatest generation. We are losing that today and the silence is as deafening as the silence was in Europe in the late 30`s.
the price of oil plummets again and still no drop in our prices we pay at the pumps?? how come?
The idea that Canada is a big player on the World Stage is bogus. At best we are tolerated.

The Americans have been protecting us since the 2nd World War, and they also buy most of what we produce. Just because Lester Pearson got the Nobel Peace prize we think we are major players.

There have been a lot of wars since Korea, and Canada did not (for various reasons) play a big part in the wars, or in the peace. Ie; Vietnam, Ist Irag War, 2nd Irag, war. We participated in the Afgahistan war I suspect because the Americans told us we had better be there.

Canadians have a hard time taking a close look at ourselves since 1945. We have done very little to keep control of our Artic. For years we were patrolling this area with Inuit, who were armed with Lee Enfield 1st world war single action rifles. These people were called Rangers, and were the sum total of our forces in the Artic. We are not much better off to-day.

In additon we have probably a total of 80,000 service men in the armed forces. Once you take out all the administraton etc; we are left with very few actual soldiers. Certainly we dont have enough of a military to defend this Country against any kind of invasion, and therefore we rely on the Americans.

We are not big players on the World stage, and because we have no clout, we can basically say what we please, because we are usually being ignored.

I know this is somewhat hard to swallow for those people who beleive we are the greatest, however such is life.
Well I have to say it - I have never agreed with Palopu more...
Well I tried to show ya Eagleone. I think you are the one sucked in by propaganda.
True words. The problem is that our leaders like to spend like big players and that makes us taxpayers the scapegoat. Our elected officials will perhaps someday realize that the US has 10 times the amount of people that we have. Canada however, sees fit to have a larger government than the US. How in hell can we afford to globe trot all over the world and rub shoulders with all the celebrities and dignitaries when we have less taxpayers than most other countries and a shrinking population of workers?? This system has to collapse around itself.