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Plan For Golf Course Lands Calls for More Housing, Less Commercial Development

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Monday, June 07, 2010 04:03 AM

Prince George, B.C.- The long awaited neighbourhood plan for the Prince George Golf and Curling Club lands will be presented to Prince George City Council this evening.
 
The previous plan was developed with an idea that it could be built out in 10 years, but that, says the consultant was not realistic especially given the economic downturn, so the new plan has a build out time of 25 years . The previous plan also called for the development of an auto mall, but the major dealer for that project pulled out so an auto mall is no longer part of the picture.  Another  dimension added to the mix is the focus on downtown.  How  do you develop a plan that calls for  commercial development  yet doesn't detract from the efforts to revive the downtown core?
 
 
Here are the differences in the overall plans:
 
 
Item
2008 Plan
New Plan
Pine Centre Mall Expansion
7 acres for a total site of 10 acres
5 acres for a total site of 8 acres
 
Pine Valley Golf Course
To become Commercial (38.3 acres)
 
Stays a golf course
Automall
40 acres
Regional Commercial 29.8 acres including Roller Dome
 
Roller Dome
To be removed to allow for hotel
Included as part of Regional Commercial site ( as above)
 
Prince George Playhouse
To be removed for auto mall
To be removed for Regional Commercial site ( as above)
 
Senior Independent Housing
 
3 acres
5 acres
Hotel
2 acres
No longer part of plan
 
Medium Density housing
21 acres
Multiple family 19.1 acres
Townhouses     5.9 acres
Single Family     7.6 acres
 
Arterial Commercial
 
18 acres
 
Neighbourhood commercial/mixed use
 
12.8
 
 
Linear Park
To be Determined
17.4 acres
 
 
 
The differences between the two plans show the new plan calls for more housing and more varied types of housing; the saving of the Pine Valley golf course instead of building a new par three executive course; no more auto mall; no specific site for a hotel; overall reduction in commercial development as the former plan called for a total of 87.3 acres to be developed for commercial or hotel, the new plan proposes a total of 65.4 acres for varied commercial development.
 
There will be further environmental studies as the property was once used as an airfield ( between 1929 and 1941) and there may be soil contamination  and buried or abandoned fuel tanks on site. 
 
The report before Council also indicates that during the 1940’s an army base (and associated network of bunkers and trails used as a training ground) was located in close proximity to the subject site. There is a possibility that there are concrete bunkers and unexploded smoke shells on the property.
 
More recently, the majority of the site has been used as a golf course and there is a possibility of soil and water contamination due to fertilizer and pesticide storage and handling. Water bodies should be
tested for EPH and Fecal Coliforms and fertilizer / pesticide handling areas should be tested for soil contamination.
 
The draft plan is available for viewing on the city’s website click here  to examine the full report.

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Oh, for god's sake ---- environmental studies because part was used as an airfield? Now I know for sure that someone's absolutely nuts or else the environmental industry is in charge of the plan. What sort of an airfield do they think it was????? Might have to tear up Superstore because it sits on the old racetrack --- now there would be some contamination.
I think the old rodeo grounds out there has infused their ideas full of manure.
I'm with you rufus1 - WTF???
Let me get this straight... after 60+ years the City is only now getting around to an environmental study of the area? Seriously? Really?

This is nothing more than delaying tactic, just in case something better comes along.

Of course you know that once the study is completed, a further study will be required to study the results, which in turn another a study will started to how best to implement the recommendations.
And I forgot to add a good part of the developed area will be pavement ---- made of, guess what.
I thought the munition bunkers were located at the base of Cranbrook hill where they were away from town.

Why is this all a mystery? Where are the records? Surely someone kept some records!! Surely they can no longer be considered state secret!!!

If Canada cannot assure the City that everything was removed that they may have placed there, then let them pay for the exploratory work required. They should have the equipment, the manposwr, and the expertise to do that very thing. Gives them some practice.

As fart as the rest goes, remove all commercial, other than neighbourhood, especially hotels, and prepare the downtown with parking, arterial access, proper location, etc. to take care of the city's commercial needs for the next 15,000 population INCREASE increment.

After the downtown has been ensured some better viability, then open up new development potential other at existing locations.

Get with SGOG concepts for the downtown or give up on any more planning activities in this town because no one will value the paper or electronic media with which any of the plans are promoted.
I'll have you know that all the oil used n the production of asphalt for pavement gets washed down the storm sewer system and gets dumped in the rivers. Its been done for decades and the salmon have learned to enjoy the new addition to the water.
doesn't oil come from the ground originally?
Poverty advocates gonna demand a percentage of land be set aside for social housing at taxpayers expense? I will wait.
Prince George Playhouse To be removed for auto mall To be removed for Regional Commercial site ( as above)

There it is more PAC creep.
"doesn't oil come from the ground originally?"

Yes .... so does asbestos, uranium, arsenic, lead, etc. etc .....

Oh ... you need water to survive ..... but you can also drown in it ....

The smart people are the ones who can tell the difference between appropriate uses which will keep a natural product on the "good effects" list rather than the "bad effects" list. :-)
not to speak of the auto mall creep, the commercial creep following the residential creep and the creeping sprawl .....

This City is designed by creeping.
The only thing that is not creeping is the farmer's market. Why not? Perhaps because we have no farmers.
Why take down the playhouse? Its a perfectly good building. AN auto mall is not needed. More commercial development is not needed. Sell all of the land to a developer (not locals because they dont have the expertise and they build shitty houses) from the lowermainland and let them build a beautiful subdivision without all the red tape.
Why take down the playhouse? Its a perfectly good building. AN auto mall is not needed. More commercial development is not needed. Sell all of the land to a developer (not locals because they dont have the expertise and they build shitty houses) from the lowermainland and let them build a beautiful subdivision without all the red tape. Talk about job creation for the local tradesmen! Parklane, polygon...are you listening?
All I can say is thank God they are removing that gross roller dome building...What a piece of crap that is...ok, and I also have to mention: instead of encroaching on the wild animals habitat w/ this ridiculous development on Tyner why not build that subdivision where the PG Golf Course is instead of an auto mall? No common sense!
shesmiles, I agree 100%. That dirty deteriorated roller dome building is a terrible eyesore - located at the entrance to the city from #97 and #16 and what a first impression visitors must be getting!

Too bad the city has no standards when it comes to the condition of buildings and continuing updating and maintenance.



I agree. The playhouse is perfectly good for a 300 seat theatre. Give it to a deserving group such as TNW.

Of course, they may prefer to continue to punish their patrons by forcing them to sit in cheap lawnchairs to give them that experience of the poor suffering theatre patrons.
So Gus just where would the TNW get the money to replace the chairs?
I have heard from performers that the Playhouse has terrible acoustics and they hate performing there.It would be great for TNW though there current setup while cute and all is kinda gettho. I like the idea of mainly residential as we need less strip malls here they are a eyesore. Hope something gets going soon.
Nothing seems to happen in this town very fast...it's incrediably frustrating...what is happeining w/ the sports store in college heights? I'm just waiting for the sign to get faded and start peeling and then EVENTUALLY it gets taken down w/ no forward movement on the project...the PG way! Is the Sandman EVER going to be completed? That amazingly slow!
The Playhouse Theatre will be removed to make way for commercial development. If you care to read between the lines, they will be relocated in the new Performing Arts Centre.

You can rest assured that there is probably Army Ordenance around this property. I know for fact that one bunker was located South East of the Graveyard. In addition we used to see empty shells all over the Airport back in the 40's. No doubt all this S..t was just buried.

What I want to know is how is the Project going to move forward. First and foremost we need a developer to buy the property from the PGGCC, for at least $15 Million so that they can build the new course and move. We originally had the Pomeroy Group, and then the Group from Langley, they backed away, then rumour had a local group of investors who were going to buy the property, but I heard they also backed away.

So the question is. When and how is this project going to get off the ground. The PGGCC is going broke waiting for something to happen.

Other than the decrepit Hart Mall there seems to be a lack of reasonable square footage of retail space. IMO in this town if ya want retail space, ya got to build it. Downtown? ha! Who goes downtown? Hypothetically, if you were Fabricland (as an example), where would you find parking, zoning and square footage in this burg? Answer? You wouldn't. Always has been and always will be a "little gritty mill town". Add to that a slight exodus of individuals who desire better. On my street they don't repair potholes or frost heaves. But they sure put up a neat sign signifying bumps ahead. Good on ya, city hall.