As we all stand back and let huge corporations buy off the politicians in order to destroy the planet. Way to go humans!

According to the report "A Corporate Profile of Pipeline Company Enbridge" released by the Polaris Institute in May 2010:

"Every year Enbridge strives for the lofty goal of zero releases, or no spills, leaks or ruptures that could send toxic poisons, chemicals and hydrocarbons into the environment. In spite of its stated objective thousands of litres of dangerous fluids are released from the company's pipelines and holding tanks into the environment each year.

Between 1999 and 2008, across all of Enbridge’s operations there were 610 spills that released close to 132,000 barrels (21 million liters) of hydrocarbons into the environment. This amounts to approximately half of the oil that spilled from the Exxon Valdez after it struck a rock in Prince William Sound, Alaska in 1988.

Based on the number of spills that Enbridge causes every year, despite what the company says about pipeline safety, a rupture, leak or spill is seemingly inevitable."

http://www.tarsandswatch.org/files/EnbridgeProfile.pdf

This report provides a break down of the estimated oil released per year and lists the major spills that have occured in Canada and the US.

Municca, you may enjoy section 3 of the report I linked in the above post.

Section 3.0 Political Profile
Section 3.1 Political Connections
Section 3.2 Industry Associations
Section 3.3 Lobby Information

holy hell people ... hydrocarbons are a product of nature ... and will be aborbed back to the earth as every peice of dirt on this planet has hydrocarbon eating bacteria attached to it ....

there are accidents at electrical plants, hospitals , pulpmills , universities newspapers etc.........

If it wasnt for the abortion that BP has done in the gulf ...(who does something like that with out a backup) this spill wouldnt even be newsworthy.

so what does the Carrier Sekani Tribal Council propose that will bring a buttload of money back to our economy and get alot of people out of the poorhouse as I hear them constantly complaining but never hear them offer any alternative ideas

YES! Well said bowzone_mikey. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS! Way more important!

exactly what i was thinkin if Carrier Sekani is so against it. why dont they offer a solution. Unfortunatly we need oil and gas. If we stop the transport of oil, how will the economy move. Are more tankers on the road the solution? more trains? come on Carrier what do you offer?

Well, I will respect the naysayers to this if they themselves do not use any hydrocarbon. No gas, diesel, natural gas, propane, plastics. Otherwise, they are nothing more but hypocrites.

Imagine your world without gas and diesel. The world population will be decimated. no food in the grocery storer, electrical systems will start to shut down. No water coming out of our taps.

With in eight weeks, 1,000 years of civilization will reduce us to savages, and survival will be the only thing of any importance.

With in one year, the world population will likely be under 0ne billion.

Upside is, we will not be slaves to our jobs, because there will be no jobs, including governments, We will be living in a lawless world. The only thing we will need to do is, grow enough food to survive another winter.

The proper method is, the governments around the world fund the search for alternative fuel sources. Until that happens the oil has to flow.

Not only will the hydrocarbons return to the earth, but so will the birds and other wildlife killed by being doused in them and the humans killed by injecting them.

Just a bit sooner, that's all. No big deal. In fact, that is the best attitude to develop. "what the hell, eh".

It's selection of the unfittest.

The unfittest will be in charge of random selection by accident.

The more unfit they are, the more accidents they will generate.

The more accidents they will generate, the faster everything will be returned to the earth.

The faster everything will be returned to the earth, the more chance there will be for the earth to survive the human curse brought to the earth.

"The proper method is, the governments around the world fund the search for alternative fuel sources. Until that happens the oil has to flow."

Hey, do I smell more hydrocarbon taxes? LOL

No surprise to Carrier Sekani .... and no surprise to Enbridge ....

I think that the movement towards green is important step for mankind. But it needs to be done rationally. Mankind has the ability to make significant changes in a very short time. Don't be surprised in the next ten years if we are not 25% wheaned off of hydro carbon, and we have alternative fuel, and not nuclear. It will be taking Ballard Power to the next level.

Oil companies around the world has been pretty much stiffling technology to keep us dependent on oil. But, believe it or not, I think there could be an awakening from the BP trajedy. People around the world wants a change, and I think it will be a movement that will force governments to stop dipping into the oil companies pockets.

The time is now, all you tree hugging, fish kissing, pinkos, start campaigning for a change. I'm too staunch in using our resources for that fight.

Stopping the enbridge pipe line is not going to change the world's dependency on the thirst for oil. However, it can be used to fund the alternative fuel technologies in Canada. $0.25/barrel charge for funding the alternative fuel initiatives.

We can make a change in the world. We don't even need to own the technology, we just fund the best minds of the world.

While we are at it, why cant we mine that floating plastic island in the middle of the Pacific.

"As we all stand back and let huge corporations buy off the politicians in order to destroy the planet. Way to go humans!"

Where would the owners of the corporations LIVE after they have destroyed the planet?

This planet can not be *destroyed*. It will be altered substantially and very negatively by the still ongoing population explosion and the relentless degradation of air, water and soil.

They are the three most important ingredients of our ability to live on this planet under the life giving sunshine.

We have to become active and stop some of this pollution nonsense.

There is no need for this pipeline to pass through B.C. as it can go just as easily from Alberta south to the US and on to let's say to Seattle. None of the oil is Canadian as the tar sands industry is foreign owned, mostly by US companies.

So it is a matter of foreign companies trying to export their product to foreign markets using B.C. as a venue, with us assuming all the risks of spills and explosions.

So why are the pipelines not made double or triple walled, with sensors for when the fluid goes from one wall to another. I know it costs more, but the technology exists and would provide more protection from these spills.

If EA says Ok, its good enough for me. Build it, and if it leaks, clean it up.

if we do not expand our economic base continuously, we might as well, move out of town, because eventually we will all become unemployed.

Better yet, go above water at creeks, with emergency shut off valves.

What actual jobs will this pipeline bring other then the assembly which will be done quickly as possible but out of area contractors. This is my biggest question.

I agree pgmatt. For the past year Surerras has been working in the Salmon valley area. Do you know anybody who has benefitted? Millions have been spent. If Enbridge does build this pipeline Surrerus will definitely be one of the bidders.I believe there will be jobs but, all it will mean will be more Alberta licence plates. The line will start there and they won't hire a new crew to go through B.C.

@bowzone_mikey

Hydrocarbons are sequestered naturally over millions of years and released into the environment by human action at a rate that nature cannot resolve.

Contrary to your sense of logic, if the BP oil spill had not occurred, this spill would be perceived with an even greater level of disgust as there wouldn't be a more disastrous event to compare it to.

This is a wake up call to those of us in the Great Lakes region who are not exposed to water rationing, desertification and brutal flood drought cycles that a hydrocarbon based economy is a dead end.

I wont argue either way, but the media seems to leave out an important piece of information - the pipeline that developed a leak was built the same year that man landed on the moon...

muckermike is right Endbridge will not have many jobs for those around PG or the north and according to their brochures there won't even be much tax money given to the governments... most of the money goes into shareholders pockets and our resources into foriegners hands...

kiss our oil goodbye if the pipeline goes through.. how about keeping the jobs and the oil and refining it here instead of shipping back the refined product for us to use at a higher price

I hear that there are trillions of dollars worth of resources in Afganastan that our boys are fighting for.. perhaps Endbridge could get in on some of those resources and pipe them into the gulf?

"the pipeline that developed a leak was built the same year that man landed on the moon..."

And the one that blew its load into the pine river a few years back was built when?

"the pipeline that developed a leak was built the same year that man landed on the moon..."

That is an extremely important piece of information. It begs the question, "what is their preventative maintenance program like?" We know what our roads preventative maintenance program is like. Also that for our bridges, for our schools, for our police station and other infrastructure of the like across the country and the USA. Bridges are collapsing with cars on them. Holes are opening up in the ground and swallowing cars because of sink holes created by leaking water pipes that do not have pressure dropping sensors on them to warn of and locate leaks.

It seems theirs is no better. And, probably like ours, they have more pipes that are older than 30 years than those that are newer than 20 years.

An earthquake like the one that hit Alaska in the 60's, which will surely hit BC again in the coming years, an earthquake like that would shatter this pipeline into tens of thousands of pieces over 1700 stream crossings covering every single watershed in Northern BC.

We can be assured that Enbridge, which doesn't have the capacity to handle their current oil spill in one of the most populous states in America, Enbridge will not have the assets in the far reaches of the BC bush to even remotely have any chance of dealing with a major spill along this route.

All for foreign shareholder profits to transport Canadian oil to a communist country hell bent on competing with us unfairly in every way undermining our Canadian values and standard of living, and in the process employing short term jobs to out of province workers.

Northern BC takes all the risk and sees no real long term gain anywhere near what the risks are to our immediate environment and the long term viability of our economic competitiveness.

If you want jobs so bad then why not promote Northern BC becoming its own province and keeping our royalty dollars here in the north building the north, rather than subsidizing the south with our environment for their revenue growth potential?

Those who apologise for the proposed pipeline, claiming that we need that oil for our lifestyles, should realise that Canada's oil will be going to China.
If we are so worried about that "lifestyle" we should be keeping that oil for the use of our children and grandchildren, not sending it away for the profit of some corporation.
How is it that "Conservatives" are uninterested in conserving?

You'd have to be pants-on-head retarded to think that this pipeline is a good idea, and you'd have to be even stupider to think that it will create any jobs at all. It's obvious some of you have no idea how few people it takes to monitor these things, and 90% of the jobs created will be filled by Enbridge employees transferring from other areas. Construction will be undertaken by experienced pipelining crews straight out of Alberta or Dawson Creek.

That said, I understand the appeal of oil & gas employment. It's a high-paying field that promotes greed and selfishness and that requires no critical thinking or education past grade ten; perfect for the people who elect and support conservative governments.

SummerSoal, great comment! Enbridge does not have a good record when it comes to keeping the oil INSIDE the pipes!

A pipeline is not secondary industry. We need permanent secondary industry jobs.

The crude is being shipped to Asia. Even the refining jobs are being exported...there is NOTHING in this for us.

Sad.